Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:08 PM

MannyGoldstein (21,454 posts)

I've never been so excited

about maintaining the status quo.

Man, has victory been redefined for Democrats.

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98 replies	Author	Time	Post
I've never been so excited (Original post)	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	OP
i guess the alternative was worse	madrchsod	Dec 2012	#1
Bwah! How perfectly and elegantly true!	djean111	Dec 2012	#2
Identify your ground. Make a stand. PRESS forward. Works for me! nt	patrice	Dec 2012	#3
I was wondering what you would opine	Rex	Dec 2012	#4
so raising rates on the rich is the status quo? You will never let Obama win.	MjolnirTime	Dec 2012	#5
Isn't it just letting cuts expire?	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#6
You want more? Get a Democratic house.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2012	#10
We tried that in 2009-2010	Doctor_J	Dec 2012	#17
Right. Insurance Companies can no longer deny coverage for pre-existing conditions.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2012	#23
That's a good thing.	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#24
and the insurance companies are getting rich off of me	liberal_at_heart	Dec 2012	#32
they can charge what they want though	Skittles	Dec 2012	#42
Perfect? No. Ideal? No. An improvement? Yes.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2012	#43
That was a crime that should never have been allowed in this country	sabrina 1	Jan 2013	#72
Many excellent points.	JEB	Jan 2013	#79
No. It's the alternative to the Republican plan.	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#18
So we'll be running the counrty on fumes under your "no more taxes for anyone" plan? nt	Walk away	Dec 2012	#53
I don't need to have a plan.	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#61
Grover Norquist, is that you?	MirrorAshes	Jan 2013	#95
Yes, I'm Grover Norquist	MannyGoldstein	Jan 2013	#96
No actual response I see.	MirrorAshes	Jan 2013	#97
I answered the only question that you asked, no?	MannyGoldstein	Jan 2013	#98
Oh, I don't think it's for the man	alcibiades_mystery	Dec 2012	#9
.....	MADem	Dec 2012	#7
Perfect response!!!	JoePhilly	Dec 2012	#50
I guess thats as close to an expression of approval	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2012	#8
See post 15	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#39
with this congress, we're lucky to get anyfuckingthing. blame them.	spanone	Dec 2012	#11
Here's something	ProSense	Dec 2012	#12
Definitely a good thing! nt	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#15
Enjoying your	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#13
Which crow would that be? nt	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#14
The "Obama wants to cut S.S."	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#16
He does	Doctor_J	Dec 2012	#19
No.	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#20
The president disagrees with you	Doctor_J	Dec 2012	#21
Crickets n/t	Oilwellian	Dec 2012	#22
You Liberals with your "transcripts" and your "math" and	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#27
The statement by Obama	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#33
So how do you tell when Obama is telling the truth vs. lying?	MNBrewer	Dec 2012	#58
He didn't lie.	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#59
So you're going with "wishful thinking"	MNBrewer	Dec 2012	#63
I'm going with political	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#66
So lies, then.	MNBrewer	Jan 2013	#80
heh.	SammyWinstonJack	Jan 2013	#81
Saying - "I'll make those decisions" is lying about what, exactly?	mzmolly	Jan 2013	#85
What part of saying	MNBrewer	Jan 2013	#86
That's right, a proposal -	mzmolly	Jan 2013	#87
In 2016 I'm going to vote for a President that doesn't play games	Autumn	Jan 2013	#88
I'm going to vote for the most progressive	mzmolly	Jan 2013	#91
No he doesn't.	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#31
So when is it "Change we can believe in" and when is it "Change that we shouldn't believe in	MNBrewer	Dec 2012	#54
+1	progressoid	Dec 2012	#55
That's cute.	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#60
Well, not exactly the same	MNBrewer	Dec 2012	#64
I didn't see any declarations, other than	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#65
Nice try.	Liberalynn	Dec 2012	#69
Ask yourself	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#70
+1	Liberalynn	Dec 2012	#46
You don't suppose Reid and Obama	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#62
While I am sure they talk	Liberalynn	Dec 2012	#67
Happy New Year	mzmolly	Dec 2012	#68
I'm sure you didn't mean to make second languages a subject for ridicule.	blue neen	Jan 2013	#75
It's better than the alternative.	Nutsmustbecracked	Dec 2012	#25
No, these are exciting times...	JReed	Dec 2012	#26
It's all good!	RandiFan1290	Dec 2012	#37
I'm happy	DJ13	Dec 2012	#28
Let's have a bonfire of the mediocraties.	ananda	Dec 2012	#29
Okay, did I miss something?	serbbral	Dec 2012	#30
Wow, talk about pessimism.	NashvilleLefty	Dec 2012	#34
Interesting book here	JReed	Dec 2012	#38
There a difference between Optimism and delusional "positive thinking".	Odin2005	Dec 2012	#45
A jab here and a jab there must be your preferred method of blowing off steam. n/t	UtahLib	Dec 2012	#35
I always wonder about posters that put "liberal" or "lib" in their name. Does it mean you are a	rhett o rick	Dec 2012	#36
I like to think so, especially concerning religion and tolerance. Why do you ask? n/t	UtahLib	Dec 2012	#40
Because it's a common "tell" of people who sign up to disrupt or be otherwise disingenuous	Fumesucker	Dec 2012	#41
That is not the case in my case	Liberalynn	Dec 2012	#47
Yes, thank you. Well stated. nm	rhett o rick	Dec 2012	#49
I don't believe the bar has been set so low at DU.	UtahLib	Jan 2013	#71
When I signed up on DU I expected to make a dozen or two posts at the most	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#74
Thank you for responding and the welcome.	UtahLib	Jan 2013	#78
I always heard that sucker in anyone's name is a common "tell".	Autumn	Jan 2013	#89
Did you read my later post about how I came up with the name?	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#92
If I remember correctly you explained that before. That's why I felt	Autumn	Jan 2013	#94
You seemed to be dissing the OP which is complaining about "just" maintaining	rhett o rick	Dec 2012	#52
Yes it means I am a liberal	Liberalynn	Dec 2012	#48
Uh, The Baggers control the House, Manny.	Odin2005	Dec 2012	#44
Until we learn to inflict pain on the opposition	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#57
Jesus washed the feet of His disciples	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#76
Well, two things	hootinholler	Jan 2013	#84
Strike 7 ... !!!	JoePhilly	Dec 2012	#51
It's another big fucking deal!	progressoid	Dec 2012	#56
You are, indeed, preserving the "status quo."	blue neen	Jan 2013	#73
Yeah, not bad	JEB	Jan 2013	#77
Hey, when you are on a slippery slope, just standing still is a win! n/t	n2doc	Jan 2013	#82
Nicely put.	randome	Jan 2013	#83
I don't think	lunatica	Jan 2013	#90
I am sure that if you were truly	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#93

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:10 PM

madrchsod (55,740 posts)

1. i guess the alternative was worse

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:11 PM

djean111 (948 posts)

2. Bwah! How perfectly and elegantly true!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:13 PM

patrice (47,389 posts)

3. Identify your ground. Make a stand. PRESS forward. Works for me! nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:13 PM

Rex (34,650 posts)

4. I was wondering what you would opine

about the non-starter, starter deal. A lot shorter than I expected!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:14 PM

MjolnirTime (1,323 posts)

5. so raising rates on the rich is the status quo? You will never let Obama win.

Face it. You have an incontrovertible dislike for the man that you just cannot move beyond.

It's sad, really.

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:39 PM

MannyGoldstein (21,454 posts)

6. Isn't it just letting cuts expire?

Whatever.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:05 PM

Warren DeMontague (46,335 posts)

10. You want more? Get a Democratic house.

Or i suppose thats Obama's fault, too.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:55 PM

Doctor_J (26,390 posts)

17. We tried that in 2009-2010

didn't work. Got tax cut extensions and insurance mandates.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:46 PM

Warren DeMontague (46,335 posts)

23. Right. Insurance Companies can no longer deny coverage for pre-existing conditions.

Scandalous, I know.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:00 PM

MannyGoldstein (21,454 posts)

24. That's a good thing.

But health insurance company stocks are near all-time highs again. Because it's a very, very expensive thing. Which I don't think it needed to be.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:46 PM

liberal_at_heart (3,606 posts)

32. and the insurance companies are getting rich off of me

I'm paying $775/month in premiums.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:11 AM

Skittles (86,325 posts)

42. they can charge what they want though

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Response to Skittles (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:23 AM

Warren DeMontague (46,335 posts)

43. Perfect? No. Ideal? No. An improvement? Yes.

I've never wavered in my support for a SPHC system. However, without (really) wanting to dive back into the endlessly re-hashed arguments over the mandate, the fact is you can't have guaranteed issue without one.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:16 AM

sabrina 1 (34,089 posts)

72. That was a crime that should never have been allowed in this country

Last edited Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:18 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

to deny treatment to sick people by the 'healthcare' industry??? It was unbelievable and should never have been attached to any HC bill, Congress should have dealt with the crime separately. Long ago.

But we are like abused spouses. We get beaten so many times by our own elected officials that we are sooooo very grateful to them when they promise to stop beating us for short time.

Our expectations have been lowered and lowered to the point where you can say 'but look how lucky we are, they gave sick people health care finally. Do you realize how ludicrous this is? Do you even know how we are viewed in other countries where to deny anyone treatment is considered a major crime, in fact it just doesn't happen?

Americans have been so abused for so long that we are so easily pleased now all they have to do as they take away even MORE of what we are entitled as human beings, as they did in that HC bill, is to give us back something that was ours and we fall all over ourselves kissing their feet for returning to us a right that never should have been taken away in the first place.

Tell you what, I am furious that people were actually denied health care when they needed it and that so many died, and I am furious that no one has gone to jail for denying life saving treatment to human beings.

All that is forgotten, all the people who died, because they took away the PO and gave back something they stole in the first place.

You be grateful if you wish, but remember, this is where they want us, beaten down so much we will accept crumbs with overwhelming gratitude. Well not me, they are thieves and crooks and I see no reason to be grateful to a thief or a crook for anything.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #72)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:45 AM

JEB (610 posts)

79. Many excellent points.

Thank you and Happy New Year.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:56 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

18. No. It's the alternative to the Republican plan.

The expiration date, was put in place because Democrats refused a permanent tax cut. Democrats and the President are currently refusing a permanent tax cut.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:02 AM

Walk away (4,595 posts)

53. So we'll be running the counrty on fumes under your "no more taxes for anyone" plan? nt

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Response to Walk away (Reply #53)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:52 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

61. I don't need to have a plan.

The plan I supported was Obama's tax increase for those with an AGI over 250K. You?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:23 PM

MirrorAshes (996 posts)

95. Grover Norquist, is that you?

You're using the same "logic."

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Response to MirrorAshes (Reply #95)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:28 PM

MannyGoldstein (21,454 posts)

96. Yes, I'm Grover Norquist

Tagg Romney sometimes takes over this identity when I'm on holiday.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #96)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:40 PM

MirrorAshes (996 posts)

97. No actual response I see.

I'm Shocked! Shocked I tell you.

Just cut the defeatist bullshit, straw man arguments and RW talking points.

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Response to MirrorAshes (Reply #97)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:43 PM

MannyGoldstein (21,454 posts)

98. I answered the only question that you asked, no?

Perhaps my reading skills are failing?

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:04 PM

alcibiades_mystery (28,415 posts)

9. Oh, I don't think it's for the man

Gnaw mean?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:03 PM

MADem (86,080 posts)

7. .....

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Response to MADem (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:58 AM

JoePhilly (16,001 posts)

50. Perfect response!!!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:04 PM

Warren DeMontague (46,335 posts)

8. I guess thats as close to an expression of approval

As some people are ever gonna get.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:30 AM

MannyGoldstein (21,454 posts)

39. See post 15

And weep.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:10 PM

spanone (72,124 posts)

11. with this congress, we're lucky to get anyfuckingthing. blame them.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:15 PM

ProSense (98,234 posts)

12. Here's something

to get excited about that's not the "status quo."

New Affordable Care Act tax hike for high earners kicks in with the new year
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022093669

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Response to ProSense (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:45 PM

MannyGoldstein (21,454 posts)

15. Definitely a good thing! nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:41 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

13. Enjoying your

crow?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:44 PM

MannyGoldstein (21,454 posts)

14. Which crow would that be? nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:54 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

16. The "Obama wants to cut S.S."

crow?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:56 PM

Doctor_J (26,390 posts)

19. He does

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:57 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

20. No.

That's why I called it - crow.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:02 PM

Doctor_J (26,390 posts)

21. The president disagrees with you

"But David, as you know, one of the proposals we made was something called Chain CPI, which sounds real technical but basically makes an adjustment in terms of how inflation is calculated on Social Security. Highly unpopular among Democrats. Not something supported by AARP. But in pursuit of strengthening Social Security for the long-term I'm willing to make those decisions."

- President Obama

So Obama says that Dems and seniors are not OK with benefit cuts, but he is willing to stand up to us and make them anyway.

Is English your 2nd or 3rd language or something?

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:18 PM

Oilwellian (9,281 posts)

22. Crickets n/t

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:12 PM

MannyGoldstein (21,454 posts)

27. You Liberals with your "transcripts" and your "math" and

all of that "reality" that you rub our noses in.

You think you're so smart.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:47 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

33. The statement by Obama

Last edited Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:21 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

was nothing of consequence. It's politics, my friend.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:27 PM

MNBrewer (5,686 posts)

58. So how do you tell when Obama is telling the truth vs. lying?

Because I'd really like to know, or is it all wishful thinking on your part?

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #58)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:38 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

59. He didn't lie.

He said what amounts to nothing.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #59)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:46 PM

MNBrewer (5,686 posts)

63. So you're going with "wishful thinking"

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #63)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:44 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

66. I'm going with political

thinking.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #66)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:36 AM

MNBrewer (5,686 posts)

80. So lies, then.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #80)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:51 AM

SammyWinstonJack (35,105 posts)

81. heh.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #80)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:23 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

85. Saying - "I'll make those decisions" is lying about what, exactly?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #85)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:50 PM

MNBrewer (5,686 posts)

86. What part of saying

"one of the proposals we made was something called Chain CPI" but not actually proposing it (in your view) isn't lying about proposing Chain CPI?

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #86)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:57 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

87. That's right, a proposal -

sans a decision.

Ever play poker?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #87)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:29 PM

Autumn (11,308 posts)

88. In 2016 I'm going to vote for a President that doesn't play games

like poker or gazillion dimensional chess or Charlie Brown football. If the Democratic party doesn't put one forward I'll just write in a name. Nothing wrong with dealing honest with the people who elect you. And offering a chained CPI is not honest.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #88)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:08 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

91. I'm going to vote for the most progressive

candidate, with a shot in hell of winning.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:45 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

31. No he doesn't.

Some, apparently don't understand political double speak.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:04 AM

MNBrewer (5,686 posts)

54. So when is it "Change we can believe in" and when is it "Change that we shouldn't believe in

because it's actually political double speak"?

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #54)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:39 AM

progressoid (27,328 posts)

55. +1

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #54)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:51 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

60. That's cute.

I'm guessing you're of the "R's and D's are the same" stripe?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #60)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:49 PM

MNBrewer (5,686 posts)

64. Well, not exactly the same

Lots of similarities, to be sure.

one of the differences I expect is lies from Republicans and truths from Democrats. Democrats say what they mean and Republicans say the opposite of what they mean.

Where I get confused is when people say a Democrat ISN'T saying what is plainly meant by the words spoken.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #64)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:42 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

65. I didn't see any declarations, other than

"I'll make decisions..."

You don't appear to expect truth from Democrats. You appear to suggest dishonesty, quite regularly?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #65)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:40 PM

Liberalynn (5,547 posts)

69. Nice try.

Last edited Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:27 PM USA/ET - Edit history (4)

I am not a Puke and I don't appreciate the implication that every one who questions the President on a stand he took is. I am a Democrat full and true yet I question the President on Chained CPI.

I've always felt that it is my duty as an American citizen and as a party member to speak up when I feel our country or our party for that matter is headed in the wrong direction. They may not be wrong but they maybe. Citizens letting their elected officials know when they are happy or unhappy with the actions that are being taken is part of the basic premise of Democracy. Its what is taught in basic civics classes. No one should be offended or harmed by a fellow citizen offering their opinion as is their right to do, and the person's loyalty should not be questioned.

Its not expecting Democrats to be dishonest, its expecting them to listen to the people who help elect them. They don't always have to agree or even do what we want all of the time, but they should be expected to hear us out, even when we are critical of them. That's Democracy.

If we were never allowed to question our leaders we would all still be singing God Save the Queen.

As to the issue at hand Chained CPI:

This is a direct quote from the Meet the Press transcript from President Obama:

"but I already have, David, as you know, one of the proposals we made was something called Chain CPI, which sounds real technical but basically makes an adjustment in terms of how inflation is calculated on Social Security"

I bolded the specific part I am basing my conclusion on in regards to where the President stands on Chained CPI. Note he said "we made" meaning his administration.

I feel I am taking him at his word.

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #69)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:14 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

70. Ask yourself

why Rs would resist a chained CPI and if Obama knew they would.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:09 AM

Liberalynn (5,547 posts)

46. +1

Last edited Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:10 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

The only reason it is not in a deal so far is because Harry Reid said no.

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #46)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:53 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

62. You don't suppose Reid and Obama

chat, do you?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #62)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:55 PM

Liberalynn (5,547 posts)

67. While I am sure they talk

I am not privileged to know what they discuss. One could guess, but then one might not be right either.

Happy New Year.

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #67)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:55 PM

mzmolly (47,356 posts)

68. Happy New Year

to you, also.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:36 AM

blue neen (8,032 posts)

75. I'm sure you didn't mean to make second languages a subject for ridicule.

There are so many wonderful people I've met who have spent their whole lives learning to master the English language while working so hard in this country.

Happy New Year.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:07 PM

Nutsmustbecracked (4 posts)

25. It's better than the alternative.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:07 PM

JReed (149 posts)

26. No, these are exciting times...

...lobbyists, apparatchiks, corporate funding out the yahzoo and everyone gets dirty.

But hey can't we pretend?

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Response to JReed (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:04 AM

RandiFan1290 (1,788 posts)

37. It's all good!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:13 PM

DJ13 (21,345 posts)

28. I'm happy

I voted for mediocrity, and thats exactly what I got.

Yay!

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:14 PM

ananda (12,541 posts)

29. Let's have a bonfire of the mediocraties.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:40 PM

serbbral (80 posts)

30. Okay, did I miss something?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:58 PM

NashvilleLefty (811 posts)

34. Wow, talk about pessimism.

I can always count on you to bring me down.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #34)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:13 AM

JReed (149 posts)

38. Interesting book here

Check it out.

Bright-Sided: How Positive Thinking Is Undermining America

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Response to JReed (Reply #38)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:02 AM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

45. There a difference between Optimism and delusional "positive thinking".

The optimist says "What options do I have in this sticky situation?", the Positive Thinking idiot denies the sticky situation even exists.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:56 AM

UtahLib (413 posts)

35. A jab here and a jab there must be your preferred method of blowing off steam. n/t

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:04 AM

rhett o rick (26,728 posts)

36. I always wonder about posters that put "liberal" or "lib" in their name. Does it mean you are a

liberal?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:30 AM

UtahLib (413 posts)

40. I like to think so, especially concerning religion and tolerance. Why do you ask? n/t

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 03:01 AM

Fumesucker (31,595 posts)

41. Because it's a common "tell" of people who sign up to disrupt or be otherwise disingenuous

Not saying that everyone with that sort of name is a troll but it's more common than you might imagine.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:16 AM

Liberalynn (5,547 posts)

47. That is not the case in my case

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I chose Liberal in my name because I am a liberal. It has always angered me that Pukes stole that "word" away from us. I consider calling one's self a "progressive" as a "concession" to the other side that "liberal" is a dirty word when it is not. So I won't call myself a "Progressive" for that reason. Yes I believe in progress but not abandoning my principles due to Puke distortion.

ETA: I don't mean to imply that everyone who calls themselves progressives are conceding to PUKES. it is just how I personally feel about using the term Progressive over Liberal.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:57 AM

rhett o rick (26,728 posts)

49. Yes, thank you. Well stated. nm

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:06 AM

UtahLib (413 posts)

71. I don't believe the bar has been set so low at DU.

In light of your explanation, anything I might post can be seen as suspect based solely on the name I have chosen. Even so, I can assure you that I have always held what I considered to be Liberal Democratic beliefs.

I am a strong supporter of Civil Rights and unions. I hate that the faction controlling the republican party is dragging us backwards. I know that corporations are not people and believe corporate influence and money are corrupting our political system. I would like to see the lobbying of our representatives by corporatists ended. I think banks should be strictly regulated. I don't believe religious doctrine should be allowed to influence our political process or the establishment of laws. It has always been difficult for me to deal with what I perceive to be injustice.

Though I know there has been justifiable concern at DU concerning trolls, I am surprised at the implication that I might be one. Perhaps I've wasted my time by what some might see as explaining myself but there it is.

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #71)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:33 AM

Fumesucker (31,595 posts)

74. When I signed up on DU I expected to make a dozen or two posts at the most

So I spent no time at all trying to come up with a clever name, I was running on financial fumes at the time and I had just come back from a bicycle ride on a road where I was almost literally sucking fumes from the tail pipes of big trucks. It was the first thing that popped into my head and I just typed it out.

What I was doing in the post you replied to was stating a fact that I have observed, not trying to imply any particular poster is a troll. It's a fairly common thing for conservatives who wish to troll DU to choose something like LibDemForevah3000.

For the most part DUers base their opinion of you on what you write but n00bs really have to watch their step because there are a few land mines around DU that will surprise the unwary and we have had an absolute avalanche of right wing trolls here in the last few months particularly so a lot of old timers are on high alert.

Anyhow, welcome to DU!

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #74)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:31 AM

UtahLib (413 posts)

78. Thank you for responding and the welcome.

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I'll admit that confrontation is not my strong suit and I don't believe screaming and name calling leads to a satisfactory result in life or on a message board. I've been witness to a lot of that at DU since the election and posted a knee jerk and ill advised response to this OP. Since I've never felt compelled to join or post on any other site, I certainly appreciate your advice. I'm still very happy to have found DU.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:32 PM

Autumn (11,308 posts)

89. I always heard that sucker in anyone's name is a common "tell".

I read it on DU. Who would have thought that.

kidding I don't think for a minute you are a troll, just seemed to fit your post.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #89)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:24 PM

Fumesucker (31,595 posts)

92. Did you read my later post about how I came up with the name?

I thought about changing it during the last name amnesty but decided not to, I'm used to the jokes by now.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #92)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:31 PM

Autumn (11,308 posts)

94. If I remember correctly you explained that before. That's why I felt

comfortable teasing you.

It's a good name.

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:01 AM

rhett o rick (26,728 posts)

52. You seemed to be dissing the OP which is complaining about "just" maintaining

the status quo. Typically, liberals fight for improvements for We The People and dont like "just" maintaining the status quo. Maybe I misunderstood your post.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:19 AM

Liberalynn (5,547 posts)

48. Yes it means I am a liberal

I believe in Civil Rights first, last, and always. They should just exist and be accepted for all period and should never be put up to a vote. Also I believe in preserving the Social Safety Net. If that makes me a purist so be it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:00 AM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

44. Uh, The Baggers control the House, Manny.

Nothing progressive is going to pass the House.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #44)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:03 AM

MannyGoldstein (21,454 posts)

57. Until we learn to inflict pain on the opposition

instead of giving them warm foot baths:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022102773
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022102482

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #57)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:38 AM

Fumesucker (31,595 posts)

76. Jesus washed the feet of His disciples

Giving loving warm footbaths to the Republicans would be a really loving and bipartisany thing to do.

Even better than washing their cars and walking their dogs.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #76)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:58 AM

hootinholler (20,642 posts)