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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:08 PM

A nice little golden, graphic reminder of where any cuts *SHOULD* come from

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Reply A nice little golden, graphic reminder of where any cuts *SHOULD* come from (Original post)
ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 OP
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #1
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #44
99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #2
The Wielding Truth Dec 2012 #24
loudsue Dec 2012 #3
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #45
RevStPatrick Dec 2012 #4
ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #6
Deep13 Dec 2012 #12
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #18
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #26
savebigbird Dec 2012 #31
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #35
RevStPatrick Dec 2012 #37
savebigbird Dec 2012 #38
savebigbird Dec 2012 #39
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #41
savebigbird Jan 2013 #47
putitinD Dec 2012 #5
ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #7
Lordquinton Dec 2012 #34
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #9
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #43
proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #49
CrispyQ Dec 2012 #17
ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #33
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #8
cactusfractal Dec 2012 #10
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #19
Deep13 Dec 2012 #11
cese Dec 2012 #13
James48 Dec 2012 #14
flamin lib Dec 2012 #16
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #20
Deep13 Dec 2012 #30
pasto76 Dec 2012 #15
Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #28
quakerboy Dec 2012 #21
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #22
ErikJ Dec 2012 #23
Samantha Dec 2012 #27
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #25
rdking647 Dec 2012 #29
Skidmore Dec 2012 #36
LineReply ^
Wilms Dec 2012 #32
No Compromise Dec 2012 #40
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #42
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #46
SpartanDem Jan 2013 #48

Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:10 PM

1. K&R. This is what we can do here. Just keep writing the truth. n/t

 

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:54 AM

44. This is not the trut! Congressperson do not get paid FOR LIFE. Do soldiers deserve more pay? Sure.

Is $12,000 a pittance for a senior to live on. Yes!

But how does it serve us to base our arguments on blatant misinformation, in this case from an RW meme?

http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/retirement_for_members.shtml

http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2011/may/29/chain-email/email-message-says-members-congress-get-full-pensi/

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:18 PM

2. Not to mention raising the cap on Soc. Security

instead of this chained CPI bullshit.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:45 PM

24. This is very logical and very doable.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:18 PM

3. That needs to go on FB and the other social media sites.

It's time we did something about our politicians, besides be their victims.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:03 AM

45. It is on Facebook. Posted by every RW liar out there. Congresspersons DO NOT get paid "for life!

Whatever argument that is attempted to be made here is overshadowed by the pathetic, blatant ridiculousness of the misinformation presented in the graphic.

http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2011/may/29/chain-email/email-message-says-members-congress-get-full-pensi/

Nor do congresspersons get a pension equal to their pay: http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/pensions.asp

If someone wants to discuss Congressional salaries and benefits in comparison soldier pay or SS recipients --great! Start with the freaking facts. Don't make the discussion a joke by starting with nonsensical claims.

This is another example of the RW trying to focus our attention on distractions rather than on the 1% to whom the real money is going. We should not fall for it.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:19 PM

4. Ummm... No.

 

What are you gonna save, a few million a year at best?
Cuts should come out of the military.
And corporate welfare.
Period.

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Response to RevStPatrick (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:23 PM

6. Actually, I agree.

The biggest benefit would be had from cutting defense/Pentagon spending and corprat welfare/loopholes/subsidies.

And also from Capitol Hill salaries, but you're right - not nearly as much benefit from that.

It is good to see how effing greedy the rich b@tards up there are though, that they make the salaries they do and receive the other taxpayer-funded benefits they do, yet still want to rake more from seniors and the middle class.

After NONE of them will ever have to rely on Medicare or Social Security.

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Response to RevStPatrick (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:50 PM

12. yes nt

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Response to RevStPatrick (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:28 PM

18. Saving is not the issue - taking from those with little is the issue.

Yes - the military budget could probably be halved without compromising national security.

But to take from those with little so that that those with much can keep theirs is obscene and immoral.

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Response to RevStPatrick (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:58 PM

26. Not mere $. There is no reason to pay them any more than the

salary of a highly paid salary worker. I can't find any empirical evidence that it gets us better representation, and it helps reinforce an elite ruling class. There's some reading about that in old union stories, with much lower paid union negotiators doing quite well against highly paid corporate executives, as if they had skin in the game. As if they weren't talking to donors to their campaign, but to people whose fraud, theft, finks and spies had decimated and visited great tragedy on their brothers and sisters in their own country. For profit.

We would save more than just money. An added bonus is that they then get to feel "like" the people they represent, not "for". That can't hurt.

Again, not as a cost saving measure, but we could move Congress and the Administrations into portable buildings, the White House on wheels. We roll it to the area of greatest unemployment, or maybe kid shootings, whatever we want to solve.

I would bet whatever the problem is gets handled a lot faster if they have to live with the people who face it every day. Maybe look at their foreclosed homes while paying the wealthy $40 billion a month to save them from losses in mortgage-backed assets, or giving zero cost loans to banks to market government-guaranteed debt at high interest rates to the working poor, or students who can't get jobs.





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Response to RevStPatrick (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:31 PM

31. Still, though, it would be quite a symbolic gesture. n/t

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Response to savebigbird (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:11 AM

35. Symbolic of what? Our ignorance?! DUers falling for and passing along RW BS?! The OP should

self delete.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:55 AM

37. Exactly. I've seen this posted on Facebook a couple of times.

 

ALWAYS by right-wingers.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:03 AM

39. Communicating that if those who these senators and congress people

serve are seeing cuts made to their quality of life, then those who were chosen to serve them should also see cuts. Perhaps it would motivate them to reach consensus more often and get things done.

That's just my opinion. If anything, I am not a Republican, so no need to worry about that.

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Response to savebigbird (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:16 AM

41. Again--so, you want to take away something they don't fucking have and call it

anything better than pointless?! Good grief, when did the Tea Party mentality take over DU?

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:30 AM

47. I believe they have a salary. n/t

Again, I am not a conservative, so no need to worry about that.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:20 PM

5. don't forget, these retired politicians also get lifetime healthcare that we could only dream of, on

our dime, ofcourse

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Response to putitinD (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:25 PM

7. All that could and should be cut, IMO.

May be of less benefit than other cuts (such as defense) but it should be cut nonetheless. Especially when they sit up there on their dead asses and do nothing except obstruct, if even that.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:16 AM

34. I disagree

Their healthcare should not be cut, we should apply it to everyone. Think about it, we should be bringing everyone up, not trying to drag a few down.

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Response to putitinD (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:44 PM

9. No they don't.

They are only paid while serving in office. They only get health insurance while they are in office. And they do have to pay for it.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:22 AM

43. Kicking for this, one of the few reasonable posts in this thread.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #43)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:22 AM

49. Thanks. I'm sick of this meme.

The next person who emails it to me is being spammed.

We have enough to criticize about that worthless bunch in Congress without making shit up.

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Response to putitinD (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:26 PM

17. They should have to depend on Social Security & Medicare.

Heartless bastards.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:17 PM

33. +1000000 n/t

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:42 PM

8. Except it's false.

Congress reps don't get paid for life.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:48 PM

10. Exactly.

Congresscritters are part of the federal retirement system like other federal employees.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:36 PM

19. It is so annoying that supposedly "truth seeking" DUers continue to spread these lies about

Congress. Can we please stick to the truth?!

This post of mine got plenty of views, but not one person cared to provide any sourced facts nor did anyone support my frustration with the misinformation. And I've seen that same misinformation on DU more than once.

I recently also had a disagreement with a DUer who was harping on the "massive savings" we'd get by cutting Congressional salaries, benefits, etc. That poster could not provide any actual figures, but insisted we must make a ruckus about it. Very disappointing and extremely frustrating.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:48 PM

11. How much does the CEO if Exxon make?

How much is the Walton estate worth?

Compared to similar management positions in the corporate sector, Constitutional officials do not make very much. The fact that one can make so much more as a lobbyist or a corporate higher-up helps fuel the the revolving door of influence peddling.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:02 PM

13. cese

I strongly feel that the US government could cut that Nasty Spending Problem By cutting in half all the "SUBSIDIES" or even more....that seem to be so strongly embedded in that budget...and leave the SS and Medicare alone...most of those Subsidies go to those BIG Farm Company's and organizations....

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:16 PM

14. FALSE

None of those dollar amounts are true. Congressmen don;'t make a salary for life.

They earn a retirement pension called FERS, like other federal employees do- and it's only a small amount of the annual salary, which they get only if they complete the minimum number of years of service.

The average salary of a deployed soldier, by the way, is slightly higher than that when you count basic allowance for quarters (BAQ) if they are married. and remember- income earned in a war zone it tax free.

Just saying the truth.

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Response to James48 (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:22 PM

16. Thank you!!! This was a right wing meme and chain email

when we Dems had the house and senate. I got so damn tired of refuting it back then and now I hear the same ignorant shit here.

Sheesh! Educate yourselves.

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Response to flamin lib (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:38 PM

20. Yup!

I ask again for responses to this post of mine because I've been trying to educate myself, and others, but could use some help with sources.

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Response to James48 (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:27 PM

30. +1

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:18 PM

15. calling BS on the soldier wages

specifically, that anybody really cares about our wages. The block that voted for romney sure as FUCK doesnt. And frankly, concern from the left is lethargic and just on the positive side of apathetic. Go ahead and look at all the crazy posts about General Schwarzkopf's death.

450,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to what corporate executives make. and ironically, lowering the salaries for congress would only spur them to do more insider trading and everything else that makes them _millionaires_.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:53 PM

28. I was on the officer side of things

So I had a different reality than the enlisted guys in the Army. I never ever had anything bad to say about the amount of money that I made when I was in the military. Hell, as a 25 year old captain, I was in the top 25% of wage earners in the US - and that was just with my base pay and not even counting my COLA and BAH and other benefits. However, the enlisted guys had it much differently than me. I never understood why the SFC that was serving as my right hand man when I was a Platoon Leader was making less than me. He had basically the same responsibility and a whole hell of a lot more experience (16-20+ years) than I did. Additionally, those SSG Squad Leaders that reported to me were exactly who made me look like a stud. Those guys need to more money too.

I have the utmost respect for anyone serving in our military who is a SSG or SFC. That is a lot of responsibility and is exactly where the "meat meets the metal" when it comes to getting stuff done in the Army.

Anyways, I better get back to drinking my beer. Alcohol makes me tell everyone how much I love them....

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:39 PM

21. I disagree most heartily

I don't see any reason to make our elected officials MORE susceptible to bribery. The amount we spend on elected officials is miniscule compared to our budget. Even cutting every dollar of salary and benefits from every senator, congress person, and president would not make a dent in the deficit.

Personally, I think one way to get the politicians thinking a bit more about the policies they espouse(as well as encouraging a whole different class of politicians to participate), is to make a requirement that their personal wealth becomes part of the US government portfolio on the day they swear in, and their returns at the end of their tenure are based in some way on the performance of government while they serve.

But cutting their salary seems petty, useless, and likely to backfire. The only ones this would hurt are the honest ones. Without having any significant budgetary effect.

Lets look instead at some real reform. Reducing military spending. Reforming our tax code to stop benefiting those who do the least work. That kind of thing

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:39 PM

22. Misinformation. Not very professional, leftist. Let's not spread RW propaganda.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:41 PM

23. The REAL target for cuts should be the historic low tax rates for billionaires and corporations.

ANd defense spending which has TRIPLED since 1997.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:46 PM

27. Particularly Halliburton and The Carlyle Group

The biggest profiteers off the war in Iraq who pay next to nothing in corporate taxes. They in particular should be contributing a portion of those profits to offset the deficit, not impoverished people who have already sacrificed in this recession Republican policies brought to this Country.

Sam

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:46 PM

25. K&R

Average salary of the CO of a Fortune 500 company???

Does anyone know or is it just so astronomical and beyond comprehension that we are not allowed to know?

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:57 PM

29. i thought dems were smart enough to verify chain email type stuff

the OP is just plain false congress and teh president dont get their salary for life

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Response to rdking647 (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:18 AM

36. Sometimes...

a dem is not a dem either.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:56 PM

32. ^

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:52 PM

40. kick

 

nt

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Response to No Compromise (Reply #40)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:19 AM

42. Why are you kicking this pack of blatant lies? Read the thread, please.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:12 AM

46. Whatever argument you are trying to make here is sabotagged by the blatant ridiculousness

of the misinformation presented in the graphic.

Congresspersons do NOT get paid for life.

http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2011/may/29/chain-email/email-message-says-members-congress-get-full-pensi/

Nor do congresspersons get a pension equal to their pay, in case that's what is meant by the claim: http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/pensions.asp

You wanna discuss Congressional salaries and benefits in comparison soldier pay or SS recipients? Cool! Start with the freaking facts. This is banning sharia law territory-- freeper crap unworthy of DU.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:14 AM

48. It's kinda scary we got 83 people to believe this

President et al don't get paid for life.

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