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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:05 PM

Last night my local nooz

Mentioned in passing, what Biden's Commision is considering.

I guarantee that most people will not be happy.

For the momemt, on the table, a new assault weapons ban. (If anybody is surprised, this was a gimme...let's see how they do it)

The second, again a gimme, limit size of magazines.

The big one, if it makes it into law, will make a real difference, close the gun show loophole.

You can guarantee the NRA is making calls and threats as I type this. Of the three proposals the NRA will fight the last the hardest...they have, every time it is proposed.

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nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 OP
LibGranny Dec 2012 #1
Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #2
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #4
Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #7
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #8
LeftTurnOnly Dec 2012 #10
TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #3
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #5
NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #6
Mopar151 Dec 2012 #11
Pauldg47 Dec 2012 #9
aptal Dec 2012 #12
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #13
aptal Dec 2012 #14
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #15
aptal Dec 2012 #16
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #17

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:13 PM

1. We have to support all these proposals!

Let VP Biden know via Congress.gov how you feel about this.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:16 PM

2. The chance that anything will get past the Republican Congress or the NRA aproved...

Democrats is slight, at best. But we will know who prefers guns warm and children dead in Congress and the Senate.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:19 PM

4. I want a recorded vote

And if any in my delegation vote it down, I will make them pay next election. They are all democrats...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:29 PM

7. I will not vote for nor donate money to anyone approved by the NRA...

Only candidates who work for gun control are approved.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:35 PM

8. I am to the same point.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:16 AM

10. Me too.

I was working for a local Dem, who was endorsed by the NRA. As soon as I found out this much, I quit volunteering for him.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:18 PM

3. Limiting the size of magazines won't help much if people can buy multiple mags

I don't think people should be able to buy separate magazines. They should get the one that comes with the gun PERIOD. You can change a spent mag in 2 seconds, so whether it holds 10 or 30 rounds doesn't make much difference.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:21 PM

5. It does, Loughner was engaged

Precisely at that moment by an unarmed civilian. A limit on the ammo also makes sense.

But...of all the proposals closing the gun show loophole is the one that will have the most immediate effect. The other two, given the number out there, will take years to be felt.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:27 PM

6. And tape them together...

As with this WW2 grease gun...

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:32 AM

11. Too easy to jam the exposed magazines.......n/t

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:11 AM

9. It's a start cowboy.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:57 PM

12. Gun Show Loophole?

What is the Gun show loophole? I have been to many gun shows and you have to follow the same procedures as if you walked into a store to buy a gun.

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Response to aptal (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:59 PM

13. Private sales

40% of all sales do not undergo background checks.

But hey, I expect you to tell me this is not real.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:05 AM

14. At just gun shows or in general?

Because what you are talking about is private sellers selling to other sellers, this doesn't have much to do with a gun show. I can get on websites today that are similar to craigslist for guns and purchase from a private seller.

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Response to aptal (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:07 AM

15. It is called the gun show loophole

But it is 40% of all private sales, many happen at gun shows by private sellers.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:09 AM

16. But my point is this has nothing to do with the gun show itself.

All laws are in force at a gun show. All federal, state and local laws apply. A firearms dealer is required to do a background check when he sells a gun -- inside a gun show or outside a gun show.

An individual who is not in the business of selling guns is not required to (in most states) -- inside a gun show or outside a gun show.

No difference in the law inside a gun show, so there is no "gun show loophole."

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Response to aptal (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:14 AM

17. Not between private sellers.

What is the "gun show loophole"?

The Gun Control Act of 1968 requires anyone engaged in the business of selling guns to have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) and keep a record of their sales. However, this law does not cover all gun sellers. If a supplier is selling from his or her private collection and the principal objective is not to make a profit, the seller is not "engaged in the business" and is not required to have a license. Because they are unlicensed, these sellers are not required to keep records of sales and are not required to perform background checks on potential buyers, even those prohibited from purchasing guns by the Gun Control Act. The gun show loophole refers to the fact that prohibited purchasers can avoid required background checks by seeking out these unlicensed sellers at gun shows.


Which states have closed the gun show loophole?

Only six states (California, Colorado, Illinois, New York, Oregon and Rhode Island) require universal background checks on all firearm sales at gun shows, including sales by unlicensed dealers. Three more states (Connecticut, Maryland and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun sales made at gun shows. Eight other states (Hawaii, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, Nebraska and North Carolina) require purchasers to obtain a permit and undergo a background check before buying a handgun. 33 states have taken no action whatsoever to close the gun show loophole.

In two states, voters themselves closed the loophole when their legislatures refused to do so. On November 7, 2000, the citizens of Colorado overwhelmingly voted 70% 30% in favor of Amendment 22, closing the gun show loophole in their state. The referendum followed the tragic shooting at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999 (the guns used in the shooting were purchased from private sellers at Denver gun shows). In Oregon, voters also voted overwhelmingly, 62% 38%, in favor of Measure 5, effectively closing the gun show loophole in their state.


http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/gun-show-loophole/gun-show-loophole-faq

Some states have already closed it, individually. You may live in one of them. Biden is talking federally.

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