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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:09 PM

So How Much Will Harry Reid Have To Give Away To Get A Deal?......

I'm really concerned that Harry Reid will give away the store in this negotiations that are going on in D.C. now. How much leeway do you think PBO gave Harry in these negotiations? Do you think Harry will dig in and stick with the $250,000 threshold? Will he throw in chained CPI?

My druthers are to let us go over the cliff and not give an inch to the Repugs. I really don't think that will happen though. I'm thinking there will be an 11th hour deal and we'll avert going over - but we'll have to give away some precious ground to get there.

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Reply So How Much Will Harry Reid Have To Give Away To Get A Deal?...... (Original post)
global1 Dec 2012 OP
Scuba Dec 2012 #1
daa Dec 2012 #2
R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #3
tritsofme Dec 2012 #4
R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #14
tritsofme Dec 2012 #18
spanone Dec 2012 #9
doc03 Dec 2012 #5
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #13
doc03 Dec 2012 #17
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #19
Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #6
Wellstone ruled Dec 2012 #7
Panasonic Dec 2012 #8
Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #10
sendero Dec 2012 #16
madrchsod Dec 2012 #11
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #12
robinlynne Dec 2012 #15

Response to global1 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:20 PM

1. I agree we should give up nothing ...

... a 39% tax on ALL earnings over $250K and 50% on ALL earnings over $1M, plus Medicare for All, plus LOWERING the Social Security eligibility age should have been our starting point.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:23 PM

2. And then reality rears its ugly head

Raise the Medicare age, cut social security benefits and raise the age. Then vote for us - we cut less than those crazies would have.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:30 PM

3. "How much leeway do you think PBO gave Harry in these negotiations?"


Harry Reid is the Senate Majority leader. He is not the president's negotiator. I hope that they both work towards a common goal, but the Senate is independent of the Executive branch.


I'm not trying to pick a fight. Checks and balances and all.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:44 PM

4. Oh please, we are talking about reality, not textbooks.

President Obama is the leader of our party, and Harry Reid is his proxy in these negotiations with McConnell.

He would never strike a deal opposed by the WH.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 06:36 PM

14. "we are talking about reality, not textbooks."


You do understand that there are three separate branches of government, right?

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 07:30 PM

18. No, really? I didn't know that, thank you for enlightening me.

Separate does not mean they act independently. I really don't know what you are arguing here.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:36 PM

9. in this case i disagree.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:46 PM

5. Since the President already put the chained CPI and raising the

Medicare age to 67 it will stay on the table.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 06:31 PM

13. "Stay"? I haven't read that it's on the table specifically, on the Dem. side.

Where did you read that?

We all know it's on the Repub wish list, but what isn't? (besides taxes for the rich)

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 07:12 PM

17. From what was reported he put the chained CPI on the table and

I think raising the Medicare age to 67. I have seen several threads on it here in DU. Some people here are saying that the chained CPI cut in SS is not a cut.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:02 AM

19. I haven't heard or read a thing about raising Medicare age to 67 being in Obama's proposal.

I'll have to research that. I don't think that's true.

There are cuts to Medicare (Obama doesn't call them cuts, but they are), but not the age thing. It's the decreased payments to service providers, cutting waste, going after more fraud, etc.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:55 PM

6. I don't see Reid calling the shots much on this. Historically, the President has...

...cut deals with the Repukes and then used people like Biden and others like Reid, Pelosi, et al. as whips to get the legislation through.

If we get Chained CPI as part of this deal, for instance, my eyes aren't turning to Reid, they're looking at the President. Several times in the recent past, both Reid and Pelosi have come out with comments indicating that the President goes too far even for their tastes. Now, for a constituent like you or I to make such a criticism is no big deal. We're constituents. For persons in the positions that Reid and Pelosi are, the light shining between the cracks indicates to me both that Reid and Pelosi must disagree pretty strongly but especially that the senators/house reps they're dealing with must be apoplectic over these shenanigans.

As far as I'm concerned, the Chained CPI fix is "in". I mean, it's been in since 2011. It's been purely at the whim of the Republicans that it wasn't an acceptable sacrifice for the "deal". If the President's shitty "bargain" isn't adopted this year, he'll be back with it again. You can bank on it. It's the result of the Economic Gang of Six's recommendations and the President has been running with it ever since.

I don't see why the plan should change now and certainly haven't seen any kind of meaningful indication that it has.

PB

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:26 PM

7. Reid has his major issues going

on in Nevada. Big time changing demographics happening,high unemployment in 2 major counties,Sheldon Adleson and the Tebillies,and what most haven't touched is the huge senior population dependent on SS or SSI. If Harry screws up his son will never be able to aspire to any office other than dog catcher.

It's show time guy's. Get the popcorn and beer.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:34 PM

8. Harry gives away ZERO from our side as the Republican has a major issue with their precious DoD

 

budget as being over bloated by 60% of our entire debt.

Cut it to 15% and redistribute, and problem solved.

Once again WE ARE NOT THE FUCKING WORLD POLICE.

And cancel the Lockheed's newest contract and use that to fund the real life COLA increase for every SS recipients and impose a 75% tax rate for anyone earning more than $1 million until 2022, and Republicans will find themselves into trouble with their constituents.



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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:37 PM

10. I wouldn't mind going over the cliff

if it weren't for the unemployed. Those people have suffered enough already.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 06:47 PM

16. If we go over the cliff..

... it will only be temporary as congress will be forced to act.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 06:26 PM

11. harry will be told what the president expects him to do

it`s up to harry to get that point across to the republicans

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 06:30 PM

12. I'm okay with changing the $250k threshold. I figured all along that would be increased. BUT...

changes that affect Social Security? I don't know if Reid will go there. Given that he is against changes at this time to SS, I'm hoping he doesn't put that in.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 06:38 PM

15. Harry has been the one person standing firm. he is better than Obama and Pelosi re social security.

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