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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:25 PM

Zuma Calls Dog Ownership 'Un-African'

JOHANNESBURG — South African President Jacob Zuma prompted howls of controversy when he said in a recent speech that black people should not keep dogs as pets because it is "un-African." His speech was well-received by the audience in his home province, but it has landed him in the doghouse in the national media and prompted the presidency to issue a statement defending his comments, which they say have a deeper meaning.

Zuma said earlier this week in his home province of KwaZulu-Natal that dog ownership was a hallmark of white culture and that people who love their dogs more than other people have a “lack of humanity.” Zuma has said many controversial things in the past. Earlier this year, he said that women should not be single and that motherhood is “extra training” for women. He also famously described same-sex marriage as “a disgrace to the nation and to God."

But none of those pronouncements has brought out the claws like this one. Many South Africans, it seems, feel they have a dog in this fight. Twitter filings were instantly littered with proclamations of puppy love and photos of prominent black South Africans with their dogs. There was even an old photo of anti-apartheid icon and former president Nelson Mandela hugging what appeared to be an enormous Rhodesian ridgeback. More seriously, critics accused the president of race-baiting in a country that has for decades struggled with inequality and until the 1990s was under white minority rule. But for South African dog owners, the issue is not black or white. Winifred Sangcosi, a 57-year-old housekeeper in KwaZulu-Natal, sits on the committee of the Fundanenja Township Dog Training Initiative.

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But presidential spokesman Mac Maharaj says Zuma’s comments are being incorrectly interpreted. It is not an attack on dogs, he says, but a defense of South African black culture, which has been ripped apart after decades of oppression. “He was not saying that animals should not be loved or cared for, but what he was saying is that we should not elevate our love for our animals above our love for other human beings," said Maharaj. "And he gave an example in this context. He said, “we see people even today, driving in a van or a truck with a dog in the front seat. And sitting in the back in the rain and the most cold weather, will be an African worker.’”

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Reply Zuma Calls Dog Ownership 'Un-African' (Original post)
undeterred Dec 2012 OP
jberryhill Dec 2012 #1
tabasco Dec 2012 #7
exboyfil Dec 2012 #2
duffyduff Dec 2012 #3
malaise Dec 2012 #4
intaglio Dec 2012 #5
Jim Warren Dec 2012 #6
Moonwalk Dec 2012 #8
Jim Warren Dec 2012 #9

Response to undeterred (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:30 PM

1. Dogs and humans have been partners for a long time

Neither humans nor dogs would be what they are without the other.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:41 PM

7. Quite correct and archeological evidence shows

that dogs often were treated like family members and given burials in prehistoric times.

Dogs as partners was more common than dog eating in the STONE AGE.

Even in the Stone Age, a caveman would consider eating a dog as, "that's fucked up!"

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:41 PM

2. What is wrong with dogs?

They have been our companions, including in northern Africa, for a very long time. It is projected that domestication may have occurred in Northern Africa (unlikely due to lack of the presence of wolves). At the very least early sight hounds came from Northern Africa. Africans themselves have been using dogs for a very long to assist in watching etc.

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:57 PM

3. He'd fit right in with PETA. n/t

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:14 PM

4. Only if you don't know the history of dogs and apartheid

He made a valid point and I adore dogs.

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:26 PM

5. Mr Zuma might like to look at the Basenji

and re-think his words

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:32 PM

6. I can see his point.

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Response to Jim Warren (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:48 PM

8. It's not a point. It's a fallacy. Does he really think that anyone who makes their workers...

...ride in the bad of the truck in the rain is going to let them sit up front, out of the rain, if there is no dog? It isn't love of dogs that makes people inhumane to other humans. I promise you that if dogs vanished tomorrow, those people who treat other people badly would go on doing that.

This "point" is a fallacy. Post-hoc-ergo-proper-hoc (after this, therefore because of this). The person sees the dog in the front seat and concludes that the dog is to blame--rather than concluding that people need to be taught how to be more sensitive and humane towards each other.

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:04 PM

9. What?

Not sure what you're on about here but my comment referred to his POINT about "not elevate our love for our animals above our love for other human beings". Only in that small part of the world where the privileged demographic reside does the idea of keeping animals as "pet" approach the scale that it does.

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