Kansas Doctor Under Attack For Not Forcing Ten Year Old Rape Victim To Give Birth

[ashling]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/09/kansas-doctor-under-attack-for-not-forcing-ten-year-old-rape-victim-to-give-birth/

As the anti-choice crusade continues throughout GOP controlled states, Dr. Ann Neuhaus bravely took up the cause of women’s rights after Christian jihadist Scott Roeder murdered Dr. George Tiller in 2009. Now, Dr. Neuhaus may lose her license for the “sin” of not forcing a mentally ill ten year old to carry her uncle’s baby to term.

You read that correctly; there are people in Kansas who think it is proper that a 10 year should have a child. Never mind the rape, incest and mental illness; a ten year old! Ten years olds should be learning how to put on make up and giggling over pictures of Justin Bieber, not learning how to change diapers. That should tell you just how diseased the anti-choice movement has become.

[dembotoz]

1. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Taverner]

81. You and me too

[uppityperson]

157. MORE INFO. This happened June 2012. Doesn't make it better but thought you might like to know AND

And it wasn't that Dr Neuhaus was doing the abortion but she was doing the mental health exams BEFORE the abortion. She was the second opinion and they went after her. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is too light


Sorry for yelling , and I agree grrrrrrrrrrr. Yours was the closest to the top so I chose your to reply to as maybe others might notice.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/kansas-revokes-doctors-license-abortion-case-152745500.html

The administrative judge concluded in February that Neuhaus performed inadequate mental health exams in 2003 on 11 patients, aged 10 to 18. The judge said Neuhaus' records didn't contain the information necessary to show that she did thorough exams, and the patients' care was "seriously jeopardized."
"Her actions clearly show a disregard for her patients' safety and care, which causes her to be a threat to any future patients she might have," said Reese Hays, the attorney on the board's litigation team who presented the case against Neuhaus.
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The case centered on how Neuhaus concluded that each of the 11 patients had serious mental health issues and that an abortion was advisable. The law required Tiller to obtain an independent second opinion that a patient faced significant and permanent harm if the pregnancy continued. Neuhaus provided such assessments for Tiller from 1999 to 2006.
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She also testified that she didn't put more details in her records to protect patients' privacy. After the hearing, she said she was "unapologetic" for that, noting the Kansas attorney general's office began investigating abortion providers, including Tiller, starting early in 2003, and in 2006, Fox television's Bill O'Reilly strongly criticized Tiller and discussed a few of his patients' cases on his program.

There is a documentary "After Tiller" that is just being released, will be at Sundance and then other places around the country. I am so looking forward to seeing it and am so proud of the young women who made it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2430104/

I found this at dailykos, aug 2012
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/10/1118624/-Well-this-is-disgusting

[In_The_Wind]

2. That poor child has already suffered too much.

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[RKP5637]

3. Kansas, a nice place to say one is from as in gone! n/t

[liberal_at_heart]

106. I lived there once for a while

Will never live there again. Didn't they change the legal age to marry and don't they teach creationism in school now? Like I said, I will never live there again. I feel horrible for this doctor. She was trying to help this child. A ten year old can die in child birth. I guess it would have been Lord's will if she had died in child birth. These are horrible people.

[RKP5637]

118. Long story short, it's really gotten weird and now weirder in Kansas!

[malz]

156. kansASS

[RKP5637]

161. Yep, that's a good description anymore. What a shame. n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

4. So, HOW fucked up is Kansas these days, anyway?

I think we've gone beyond the book, "What's the matter with Kansas"!

Maybe it's Fox News or the cumulative effect of the Koch Brothers campaign finance reform? Hey, maybe Dorothy's House and everybody's gonads caught up in the latest twister...

What's the remedy?

[RKP5637]

6. The governor wants women running around barefoot and popping babies in the

street. Don't look too closely at the KS senate/house, it's now a bunch of RW teabaggers, filled with Koch Brothers servants at many levels of gov. The people of KS seem to love them, they keep voting them in and in ... A democrat or moderate republican in KS is a rare breed anymore. The democratic senate is gone ... one can probably look forward to more RW extremism in KS.

There is no remedy. This is apparently what the people of Kansas want.

[MrMickeysMom]

10. Jeebus....

We in PA have a governor who might love to dance to the same tune of his "handlers", but he's in the early stages of seeing whether his useless ass can be "re-elected". The general ASSembly here is positioning itself first to make us all sick by frack water invasion.

If there is a remedy, I believe it is to over-turn Citizen's United under an Obama administration, which would AGAIN puts us on the same struggling baby steps to regain what these fuckers have been very good at taking away.

[RKP5637]

14. Citizen's United was/is criminal IMO and too bad SCOTUS can't be held accountable!!! Too many

Americans let the gov. just drift along not taking an active part, by at least voting. I know people that think it's too much of an effort to even vote. And then are shocked when crap happens.

They think everyone else is doing something for them. My comment, well, they are doing something for you, they are taking away your country from you and turning it into a theocratic dystopia. And I get a deer in the headlight look.

[davidn3600]

27. The reason many people dont vote is because they dont think it makes any difference

They think both parties are the same and only care about protecting the upper class.

Sorry but the track record of Democrats is not all that much better than Republicans. Most of the Democrats in congress are just as wealthy as the GOP. Congress is not made up of working people. They are a combination of elitists, lawyers, and rich businessmen. So how can they possibly understand what working people are going through?

That's why people don't vote. They can't identify with anyone.

[RKP5637]

34. Yep, excellent point! When it comes to $$$$$ and interests thereof, there is sadly a tremendous

amount of overlap between the parties. And A=B. We have IMO a broken system and I often wonder how it will have balance restored.

[xtraxritical]

49. Oh bullshit. FDR was very rich. The Kennedy's too. Many more very populist progressives too.

[Lefty Thinker]

52. Perhaps I'm an outlier

My coworker and I agree that the Republican party claims to represent the interests of people in my financial situation better than the Democrats. This assumes (counterfactually), of course, that my interests don't include social justice or equality before the law.

I support liberal policies out of a desire for a just and stable society. I usually support Democrats because their stances are closer to what I want than the Republicans'.

I hold a bachelor's degree and people have told me that it would be a waste not to get my Ph.D. I hold a job that pays multiple times minimum wage. None of this deters me from supporting progressive policies. I hope that my education actually makes me more persuasive and effective in arguing for them. Were I to win a political office, I doubt that you would consider me a "working person," but then neither was FDR or JFK, so I'll try not to take it too personally.

[RKP5637]

121. Very true! Often it's forgotten that many extremely wealthy people are democrats, because

the republicans like to paint themselves as the party of wealth, but often that is not true, and in fact far from the truth.

[newspeak]

167. the republican party does not represent your business interests

if it is at the expense and health of the people. also, enron screwed their employees-401k is a great concept if its' honest and does not screw the employees while enriching others. without regulation all you have is a bunch of corrupt con artists bilking money and labor-money from those who have toiled their whole lives. when i hear of a new business concept, i get leery, it seems as an old business concept introduced in the 1890s. i remember the eighties, no more loyalty to companies, all americans were going to be in demand, they can pick and chose where they want to work. what a fekkin joke!!!!!

but the repug party is more than willing to police and inact policies to control individuals, but not policies to control corporations.

[coalition_unwilling]

168. Do you have to work to pay your monthly expenses or can you live off your dividend income? If the

former, you are a 'working person' and not a parasite.

[Freddie]

80. Because of this perception (right or wrong) people don't vote in off-year elections

And we get the Repugs in Congress and the governors' mansions that are destroying the country despite having a Dem in the WH.

[shintao]

91. when thy cut their welfare check it will wake them up nt

[quakerboy]

96. But they refuse to vote for those they might identify with

Its not that hard. Find a guy you identify with. Vote for them. Some community organizer type. a local dude. Get him into the state senate, then US Senate. Then find some gal you know and run them for dog catcher. Then run them for state mayor. Then US congress.

The reason people don't vote is because they are apathetic, they think everything will always stay the same, generally ok'ish, no matter what, and looking into things takes actual effort. But their apathy is mistaken. Anyone with eyes can look around their community and see that that things are not all ok.

There are plenty of people that are easy enough to identify with. You just gotta participate in the primaries to see them, because they get swept out by the slicker pol's with the party backing and money. Because all these "working people" don't bother to participate.

[RKP5637]

122. Well said!!! Thanks!!! n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

146. Yep...

I can attest to what you said, quakerboy.

[thelordofhell]

109. It may not make a difference if you vote.........but..........

It will certainly make a difference if you DON'T vote

[Freddie]

25. We better have someone good to run against Corbett!

You're right, he'd be just as bad as his Kansas cohorts except he does have a sense of exactly what the non-Alabama parts of this state will put up with. I think he can be beaten if our candidate continually reminds voters of his role in enabling Jerry Sandusky to molest children. Sadly PA tends to "automatically" let governors serve their allowed 2 terms.

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

26. Don't forget about something else our governor said...

When talking about forcing women to get an ultrasound before an abortion, he advised women to "just close their eyes."

I don't think he will get re-elected. People even in the rural middle part of the state don't like him because of what he has done to education.

[Cooley Hurd]

40. The real solution is to utterly destroy ALEC...

ALEC is the true culprit in these cases in which extreme RW assholes get elected and then run their constituencies into the ground.

[MrMickeysMom]

42. By what means... other than to strike down Citizen's United?

I mean, how do you keep these organizations from directing government policy other than to make it unconstitutional, Cooley?

[Cooley Hurd]

48. ALEC has already received body blows by going after its corporate sponsors...

I'd say remove its tax-exempt status. That would make it more costly for the Koch goons (and others of their ilk) to fund them.

[shintao]

92. The same way RNC used right to work to crush unions.

Join their organizations, demand all the benefits of member dues, and refuse to pay dues. Then sue in court for discrimination based on the RW laws dealing of organizations.

[MrMickeysMom]

41. For Freddie and PA Mat...

It's necessary for any Democrat running against Pat Corporate to run on those points -

His erosion of education (fascist giant sucking sound)
His total disregard "just close your eyes"... you can get a campaign song out of that, parody of the Beatle's "Close Your Eyes"
His total disregard for child molesters by covering as "State Penn's" Attorney General!
His TOTAL blow job on behalf of the oil and gas industry (more fascism)

WE ARE THE MOVEMENT - It's up to the people. When has it NEVER been up to "the people"???

[appleannie1]

131. They have changed my district to the place I will never have a Rep that reflects my views at

the state level again. I hope that enough people realize that Butt Core is one of the worst governors this state has ever had and vote accordingly. But in my rural district most would vote for him whether their wells are no longer usable or not simply because he has an R after his name.

[lark]

56. Maybe we'll get lucky and KS will secede?

Yeah, I know, only in my dreams. But in my dreams, we get rid of KS, OK, TX, MS. AL, KY & LA except for Nawlins. So sick of these fundie baggers anti women attitude. Of course, any women from those states who agree to actually support their country above the rich and support other women in controlling their own lives is welcome to leave the crazy states.

[juajen]

165. Obviously, you have never been to Lafayette. Come visit some time. You'd be surprised.

[MrMickeysMom]

174. Interesting, the southern strategy...

Begs the question, "how do these states ever become progressive?" It's easy to pit Americans against each other when you have the civil war to fall back on.

[Panasonic]

99. Hm. No more treks through Kansas then.

We'll just take the I-80/I-76 route from Chicago to Denver, bypassing Kansas entirely.

Nebraska may be a nut state, but it's not that extreme.

[RKP5637]

119. Too many Glenn Beck'er types, too many Rush Limbaugh'ers and the herd IMO. n/t

[Panasonic]

143. Hm. Well, I am deaf, and I refuse to let my son listen to hate radio.

My father is a big fan of AM 710 and would not even listen to AM 760 (our progressive station)

[ProfessionalLeftist]

5. Reproductive Rights and the Long Hand of Slave Breeding

..."because slavery depended on the slaveholder’s right to control the bodies and reproductive capacities of enslaved women, coerced reproduction was as basic to the institution as forced labor. At the very least it qualifies among those badges and incidents, certainly as much as the inability to make contracts. Therefore, sexual and reproductive freedom is not simply a matter of privacy; it is fundamental to our and the law’s understanding of human autonomy and liberty. And so constraints on that freedom are not simply unconstitutional; they effectively reinstitute slavery."

http://www.thenation.com/article/166961/reproductive-rights-and-long-hand-slave-breeding#

[Angry Dragon]

8. +4,249

[ohheckyeah]

76. Which is why the 13th Amendment should have been the basis

for Roe v. Wade, IMO.

[Kablooie]

7. I'm getting so sick of all the blatant insanity.

What has happened to this country?
We are losing all sense of reason.

[truth2power]

32. You ask what's happened to this country? I'm reading a book...

"Dark Ages America: The Final phase of empire" by Morris Berman.

Published in 2006, during the reign of the Boy-King, but instructive, nevertheless, for its prescience, much of the book deals with economic and political issues, but the author also deals with cultural aspects at length.

Here's the epigraph to the chapter titled, "The State of the Union":

Every day I ask myself the same question: How can this be happening in America? How can people like these be in charge of our country? If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I'd think I was having a hallucination.

-- Philip Roth, The Plot Against America.

The ignorant and stupid people described by Berman are still with us, sadly. In fact, they seem to be becoming more entrenched in our populace.

[Peace_Sells]

82. .

Morris Berman is an excellent author I just read Twilight of the American Culture which is the first book in his trilogy on America. I'm just now starting Dark Ages but would definitely recommend it.

[DearHeart]

162. I keep asking myself, almost daily if I'm hallucinating or living in some alternative universe :)

Trying to force a 10 yr old to have a baby, conceived by rape, is unfathomable to me and I don't understand what happened to people. It seems as though most people nowadays are in some sort of fugue state; and they prefer it that way. Their own little bubbles.

[shintao]

93. Reason? LOL! Arizona went crazy

[IMG][/IMG]

[plethoro]

9. This pisses me off too much to even render

a comment.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

11. .

[NYtoBush-Drop Dead]

12. Kansas, so fucked up it should...

have it's federal dollars cut off, and then the balls of their men. Oh Wait! They don't have any! Look at their Governor! Look at their Senators!

[ProfessionalLeftist]

19. It's not just Kansas though....

...look at what Snyder just did in MI and what just happened in Iowa. The Taliban Slavebreeding program is alive an well all across the U.S.

[RKP5637]

20. I often tell people to be alert, we are heading toward a

theocratic dystopia, but they can't seem to comprehend what I am saying ... so I get a deer in the headlight look. Critical thinking seems to have fled America. Maybe they will understand "The Taliban Slavebreeding program."

[niyad]

45. I have been saying this for decades-- "the handmaid's tale" used to be a nightmare possibility,

now it seems to be a certainty.

[lark]

63. Dang, Niyad

I thought I ws the only person that saw this. That book chilled me through and through and I read it decades ago (I think it was that long?). I immediately thought that this is where the american taliban were trying to take us, and we've definitely been going in that direction at ever increasing speeds. Join the resistance!

[niyad]

158. it was first published in 1985-nearly three decades, so, yeah, that long. . .

I knew when I read it (and saw the movie, did you?) that, should such a takeover happen in this country, I would, of course, be part of the resistance. As a clinic escort, as an activist for women's rights for many decades now, nothing that I saw in that book surprised me. and, watching the christofascisttalibornagains getting more and more insane every day, it seems to be coming closer and closer. the hysterical, woman-hating rhetoric, the insane laws (transvaginal ultrasound, etc) makes me think we need the resistance NOW.

[abelenkpe]

137. Scary good book

Didn't think that world was a possibility until this last election. The crazy really came out in force after Obama was elected.

[coalition_unwilling]

170. That book seems now as eerily prophetic as Orwell's "1984" - really creepy the

way life can imitate art (dystopian, that is).

[smirkymonkey]

148. +10,000

[smirkymonkey]

172. I think they should secede and then we could declare war on them.

Welcome to DU!

[Heidi]

13. Kick.

[PeaceNikki]

15. Only... they haven't 'become' that way, it's how they've always been.

Cruel, sick, fetus worshiping assholes.

[DhhD]

31. Pagan cult worship of the egg and the forthcoming baby in cultures of the past, now accepted as

the Easter Egg. Beast of Burden slavery to force a woman to work in that way, while also acting as an animal to produce his subjects; more slaves. How sickening. Yet in Kansas, the practice is promoted.

[SunSeeker]

16. Sick. They should rot in jail along with her uncle.

What these religious zealots are advocating is child abuse.

[truth2power]

33. Which raises the question...What about her uncle? He should be serving life in prison. Is he? ...

If not, why not?

[SunSeeker]

36. Ironic that these nuts are attacking the doctor who saved her instead of the uncle who raped her.

[newspeak]

69. and the doctor has the right to abort if the female is in danger

and the lower the age of the female, the GREATER the risk of complications and death for the female, in this case a CHILD. these ignorant politicians in kansas have shown that it is not the fetus, but the female they are attempting to control. because it appears, they don't give a shite about the female child. why don't they just join the fekkin taliban!!!!

[smirkymonkey]

173. +1000

Sick, sick state.

[asjr]

17. I'm thinking Dorothy would not want to be in Kansas anymore.

[donquijoterocket]

59. perhaps not

But, if she did she could always stay with a friend of mine who lives near that den of iniquity and hotbed of liberality Lawrence.Kansas' answer to Austin.

[sulphurdunn]

18. I think the so-called

"right to life movement" and its fundamentalist religious patina are little more than pass the hat schemes to peddle self-righteousness hate for money and to use the same rubes to vote for and to help bankroll right-wing politicians. America has a long tradition of this sort of hypocrites bible thumping, snake oil carnival.

[RKP5637]

23. It's a large wagon they all climb on to gather money and to promote their RW causes, akin

to crusty politicians kissing babies.

[Odin2005]

21. I swear, all that pesticide is rotting their brains.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. They've already taken her medical license away. This article is 4 months old.

Rachel Maddow was covering this story for awhile but then seemed to lose interest.

Kris and her husband are friends of mine. This battle has gone on for nearly 10 years and the details are horrific. Their house was invaded by state officials in the middle of the night looking for medical records that weren't there, and when they finally got the records, they eventually ended up in Bill O'Reilly's possession.

The state spent close to $500K to revoke Kris's medical license and are now trying to charge her for their expenses. The 'expert' witness who testified against her was housed at the most expensive hotel in the city and her expense list would be comical in any other situation. Plus, this 'expert' really isn't an expert at all, but an anti-choice activist who earns a living by pretending to know what she is talking about.

And the complaint that led to the license revocation was filed by a felon who served time in federal prison for attempting to blow up a clinic. She's close to Scott Roeder, who murdered Dr. Tiller.

Several of the members of the state board of healing arts recused themselves from the license revocation process, so it ended up that the decision to revoke her license wasn't even made by doctors.

This has been just an evil witch hunt by people who believe 10 year olds should be forced to give birth.

[RKP5637]

30. Rachel Maddow was probably told by TPTB in Comcast to stop coverage. I think

Rachel makes something like $8M/yr. It would seem pretty reasonable to assume she is at times throttled in what she says/covers. The tentacles of the religious right stem far and wide as we drift into a theocratic dystopia. And the willfully stupid in America cheer more, more.

[freshwest]

62. +1

[proud2BlibKansan]

163. Sadly, that makes sense.

[LisaLynne]

58. Thank you for the additional information.

Do you know if there is anything we can do to help the doctor and her family? Even just to let them know we are out here and on their side?

[proud2BlibKansan]

68. I've been posting about them for a couple years now.

I'll let you know what you can do. She is appealing and has excellent legal representation.

[LisaLynne]

75. Thank you.

Feel free to PM me!

[freshwest]

60. Such corruption!

[titanicdave]

24. These people

are totally nuts........they are living in 1912, not 2012

[WinstonSmith4740]

28. I teach PE and health.

One of my sophomores last year was telling me about her 3 year old (!) and I wondered how anyone could force a 13 year old to give birth, but this one blows even me away. What the hell is wrong with these people?

[WhoIsNumberNone]

29. 10 year old? Pregnant?

I'm not all that old, but in my day you didn't hit puberty til at least 12. Usually 13. And now 10 year olds are able to get pregnant? Not to minimize the bullshit coming from the fundies, but does anybody else see a larger problem here?

[HockeyMom]

35. First, the child was raped

It was also incest upon a special needs child who was being FORCED by the state to give birth. You simply cannot get any worse than these circumstances.

My Mom, born in 1920, was 11 when she got her period. I am 64 and got mine at 10. My daughter, born in 1979, was 11. The age of first menstruation is usually around the same age as girl's mother, grandmother, etc. Latina and Mediterranean ethnicities tend to be younger than others.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. I've known a couple 9 year olds who got pregnant. They were raped.

[Chorophyll]

38. It has been known to happen.

And the "larger problem" is child rape, forced birth, and the fact that a doctor could lose her license for doing the right thing.

[niyad]

50. not that it is particularly helpful in this case, but I have been reading for years about earlier

onset puberty, as a result, apparently, of all the growth hormones added to animal feed, etc. all the chemicals in our food, our water, our soil, the very air we breathe.

the first time I remember hearing about this, was in an article decades ago about girls in puerto rico who were going into puberty at ages as young as six.

there are, of course, many other factors. but that one has stuck with me a very long time.

[truth2power]

55. I was looking through an old HS yearbook (50's) recently....

The girls all had little teeny pointed breasts under their sweaters.

Today, the girls in HS are practically double D sized. Something changed.

[shintao]

95. Big Mac & order of Fries changed nt.

[truth2power]

129. Nope. Some of the young girls are pretty hefty. But even the 100 pounders have a generous bust size.

I think it's the hormones in the food.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

74. Thank you. that's the problem I was referring to

But to reiterate, in case I wasn't clear enough for anyone else- I'm not downplaying the outrageousness of the fundies' position on this one iota. I'm also not downplaying the seriousness of child rape, in case anybody didn't think I grasped the circumstances of this pregnancy.

On further relfection though, I think I rememebr reading or hearing something some years back that suggested that early sexual activity- consentual or not- could also trigger early puberty, and i'd be prepared to believe that that was at least a contibuting factor here.

[musette_sf]

88. i remember a "freak show" display at Coney Island

when i was a kid in the mid-60s (it was on the way from Nathan's to the boardwalk) that featured photos and story of Lina Medina:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina

[siligut]

54. Females are going through puberty sooner due to pesticides

But pesticides acting as endocrine disruptors in humans has been thoroughly quashed by the companies who manufacture them.

[moonlady0623]

90. well

personally I"m 60 and I started menstruating at 9 so ya, it's possible.

[Xithras]

112. Youngest mother in history was only 5yo, and that was in 1939, in Peru

There has never been a fixed age when puberty is "supposed" to happen. In most girls, it's between 11 and 14. But there have ALWAYS been instances where it's occurred as young as toddlerhood, and as old as their early 20's. It's uncommon, but a perfectly natural manifestation of human variability.

Sadly, when you get sickos raping these kids, their early puberty means that they can end up pregnant.

[lunasun]

130. Earlier puberty is a very important public health indicator. It is like the canary in the coal mine,

could be girl 10 yrs old now days - boys too btw
http://children.webmd.com/news/20121020/earlier-puberty-age-9-10-average-us-boy

[SoapBox]

39. Sicko!

KS has a serious mental problem.

[energumen]

43. This is one of the cases where

I don't see how you can not support ending a pregnancy. I believe the chance of severe medical complications are extremely high at that age and the chance of having a remotely normal child are correspondingly low. Add to that the emotional toll on the child from the act itself. It would much much less damaging to terminate the pregnancy especially if the child was not aware of the nature of the procedure that was occurring.

[awoke_in_2003]

66. Because you are thinking logically...

a terrifyingly large percentage of Americans are not capable of this. Welcome to DU.

[caseymoz]

44. I'm surprised there are any women who live in anti-choice states.

I mean it. I think women voting with their feet would do a lot to stop the anti-choicers.

[proud2BlibKansan]

46. Yet there are hundreds of thousands of us.

How does telling us to leave help?

[LisaLynne]

57. I mean, I have to admit ...

I'm tempted sometimes, but then I think ... nah, I'd rather stay and fight. I have a right to be where I want and plus, why make it easy for the regressive a-holes?

[proud2BlibKansan]

73. I'm not about to let them win.

[caseymoz]

135. They wouldn't win.

It affects the gender balance of the state, meaning that hetero men will feel the pressure. It could depopulate certain districts or states might lose representation. Meanwhile, in states like Mississippi which have almost eliminated RH clinics, you can set up border clinics in surrounding states just to show how they can't get away with it.

It would be a radical move, and it would take a lot to keep it going, but if these states continue with the War on Women, I think it would be good to keep it in mind. It beats an insurrection, which is even more costly and risky.

[caseymoz]

134. How would not bringing it up help at all?

It works better than staying . . . especially if it's organized that as a protest. I admit it's difficult, and costly, but it's something I can't do. And if it's large enough, it's something the men there will notice.

I mention it as a possibility, not as a putting pressure or testing your resolve. Anybody think of this?

[awoke_in_2003]

67. I took a US Governmet class...

at the local community college (I live in a suburb of Fort Worth). The class was about 50-50 male to female. Most of the class were recent HS graduates, except for me and a guy a bit older. When we got to Roe v Wade the professor asked how many supported the decision that allowed women privacy to make their own health decisions. Me and the older guy were the only ones who raised our hands in support. It is very sad.

[Brigid]

77. If I may hazard a guess . . .

They were educated (?) in TX and never heard of Roe v Wade.

[awoke_in_2003]

84. Oh, they had heard of it...

and most of what they heard comes from anti-choicers. The professor did a good job of explaining the decision, but it didn't help.

[caseymoz]

136. Opinions tend to be segregated that way.

Polls will tell you that it's not nearly that overwhelming everywhere, even in Texas. What the professor said wouldn't help, for one thing because they had no chance to digest the information.

[McCamy Taylor]

175. The 10 year old girl does not have much choice where she lives.

[caseymoz]

177. No kidding? I wasn't aware of that.

And if I were telling a ten year old girl rather than referring to the general sense, that would make me a real dick. Since I wasn't, however, your point is just irrelevant and a shot below the belt.

WTF do you think I"m doing? You think I wrote that to say women deserve to lose their reproductive rights if they don't don't move out of radical anti-choice states? Or that they just aren't fighting enough?

And then you try to imply that I'm saying the ten year old was at fault. I'm trying to brainstorm radical ways to fight this. I'm trying to say that women (and children) are being harassed and insulted by these anti-choice measures, to where women should consider cutting ties to these offensive states.

And your reaction is to attack me. Oh, that's on target. We're going to take the initiative on reproductive rights by doing that.

[niyad]

47. does anybody know what happened to that rapist uncle? the article did not say.

[proud2BlibKansan]

70. He is in prison.

Another of the tricks these assholes played in Kansas was to accuse Dr. Tiller of failing to report the child molestation that got this 10 year old pregnant. But the 10 year old had been referred to Dr. Tiller by the child protection workers in her state. The uncle was arrested and behind bars by the time the abortion was performed.

[Heather MC]

51. sorry none of this true

The female body has ways to shut that whole thing down. So clearly this 10 year old girl wanted to be impregnated by her uncle. therefore this baby is a gift from God and should be treated as such!

oh my god I can't believe I just said all that I want to hurl!!!

[Rex]

78. What is really scary is that you jest, yet

there are supposed rational people (some in positions of power in govt) that actually BELIEVE every word you typed as gospel truth!

We have a dangerous group out there that will hold the 'moral high ground' hostage with a hand grenade.

And they don't care who dies.

[MadrasT]

53. Sick sick sick.

This is actually pretty sick, too:

Ten years olds should be learning how to put on make up and giggling over pictures of Justin Bieber...

OK that is possibly one option but I wouldn't be encouraging 10 year old girls to do either of those things, either.

10 year old girls are powerful little humans. The "make-up and Justin Bieber" throwaway comment is insulting, insipid feminization and that attitude makes me because I hate that anyone would say that is what 10 year old girls "should be" doing.

Off my soapbox, the larger problem raised by this story is infinitely more horrifying.

[FlaGranny]

145. That makeup comment

stood out to me also. I am one of those females who started menstruating at 9 years old, but at 10 I was still a kid, playing kid games. I wasn't interested in makeup or boys yet. I thought boys were "icky" (that stage between when boys were your playmates and when they become boyfriends).

[Auntie Bush]

61. How could something like this happen when there is no war on women?

So they say!

[patrice]

64. Another instance of "Jesus" plus nothing, for everyone but SUBSIDY-Sam & his "Christian" fascists.nt

[Initech]

65. 10 years old???? WTF????

Just how cruel and heartless are these "pro life" bastards anyway??

[Brigid]

71. I think we have yet to learn the answer to that.

[proud2BlibKansan]

72. Very cruel and heartless. That's how much.

Dr. Tiller used to talk about protesters in front of his clinic coming to the back door at night wanting abortions for themselves or their wives or daughters. Then the next day they'd be right out front protesting again.

So we can call them hypocrites too.

[Initech]

100. They are a truly vile bunch indeed.

[Dawson Leery]

79. Kansas: The "heartland" of America.

[libodem]

83. They are into punishment

Not to teach a lesson but to inflict Sadism. They are Sadists. Pure and simple. Motherfuckers.

[CreekDog]

123. well because "grace" and "mercy" is for them, and judgement for the special needs 10 year olds

i don't miss church.

sadly, i have less trouble believing in a loving god outside church than within it (at least within most of the ones i attended).

[progressoid]

85. I think I'm going to be ill.

[Dog Gone at Penigma]

86. and unless I'm mistaken, the uncle can demand custody and/or visitation of the child from rape

So, the exposure of the poor ten year old to her rapist goes on and on and on.

Not that a 10 year old who is mentally ill could even remotely take care of a child - but the father-by-force should never have any rights over his offspring.

This is the sickest of patriarchy and religious insanity.

[indepat]

87. An ugly microcosm how how fucked up much of the religious right,

in all their religiosity, is really fucked up.

[judesedit]

94. 2014's not that far away. Vote the assholes out of office that are destroying your state, people.

Hopefully, Anonymous and his posse are watching and will prevent another stolen election. Thank you for everything Anonymous and friends. You are the best and this country already owes you a whole lot. God bless and God speed.

[RKP5637]

127. Not in Kansas, I don't think ... In 2012 they voted far right and all indications are this

is the trend, and TPTB in Kansas feel this is an excellent model which will be eventually embraced by all in the US. TPTB truly believe many in the US will be flocking to Kansas for employment and a wonderful lifestyle.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/10/kansas-republicans_n_1765879.html

Kansas Republicans Hope State's Right-Wing Shift Will Lead The Nation

As goes Kansas, so goes the nation?

That's the hope of the Kansas Republican Party, which is seeing a purge of moderates from its ranks as Tea Party-affiliated candidates rise to prominence. In recent GOP primaries in the state, eight moderate Republicans lost their seats -- including Senate President Steve Morris -- who blamed their losses to outside conservative groups like Americans for Prosperity, which has close ties to the right-wing billionaire brothers David and Charles Koch.

Kansas Republicans said Thursday that they hoped their state's right-wing shift would serve as a template for the rest of the nation.

“We all gather up in Washington and say, 'Why not us too? Why can't we do this? Why can't we behave the way that Wisconsin is behaving, the way Gov. (Bobby) Jindal is doing in Louisiana, the way Gov. (Sam) Brownback and Lt. Gov. Colyer are trying to do here in Kansas?'” Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-Kansas) told the Associated Press.

Kansas Democrats, aligning themselves more with centrists, have portrayed the Republican shift as a radical departure from the GOP's more moderate past.

“Today the face of the Republican party is more anti-public school, more anti-worker, more anti-woman and more anti-middle class than ever before,” Rep. Paul Davis, the Kansas House Democratic leader, told the AP. “This is no longer the party of Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, Bill Graves and Nancy Kassebaum.”

[liberalmuse]

97. Some people in this country are making the Taliban seem a bit tame.

Seriously? Fuck these people. They are beneath contempt. Religion is worse than meth.

[judesedit]

98. A bunch of sick bastards that send our children to kill for oil.Do you really expect anything differ

ent in this case. Don't worry. I hope they have to feel every bit of pain and hardship they have caused any animal or human on this earth when they begin to judge themselves in the next dimension.

[seabeyond]

101. shit. at 10, make up should not even be a consideration yet. a kid. just a kid. nt

[northoftheborder]

102. SICK, SICK, SICK.

[valerief]

103. I know there are some good people in Kansas, but, damn, it seems most are batshit crazy and

as evil as Sybil's mother.

[RKP5637]

128. And TPTB in KS wonder why more people move away from KS than move into KS ...

[flying-skeleton]

104. We should just refer to these bozos as White Talibanists

[Raster]

105. according to the christian taliban, a 10-year old being brutally raped is just gawd's will...

...unless of course it's their 10-year old. Then it's a tragic incident that requires a clandestine trip to "the clinic."

[Lunabelle]

107. GOD I HATE THESE PEOPLE!!!!!!

I hate them hate them hate them!!!!!!!

[niyad]

108. called the state tourism board to let them know that, so long as the crazies are running

that state, they will see neither me nor a dime of my money.

[McCamy Taylor]

114. I already stay away.

[Seedersandleechers]

132. Not too much tourism in Kansas unless

you want to see the largest ball of twine,

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/8543



or the Kansas Barbed Wire Museum


http://www.rushcounty.org/barbedwiremuseum/

[pstokely]

160. Biggest tourist attraction in Kansas is an outlet mall next to a Nascar track

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and the biggest ball of twine is in Minnesota

[niyad]

152. I have stayed away for many years, but think it important to tell them we are staying away

because of the crazies.

[LiberalFighter]

110. Wouldn't that be Sharia Law that they want to use?

[Initech]

141. Pretty much - Sharia Law and Biblical Law aren't that different.

If we're going to outlaw Sharia Law, we should outlaw *ALL* laws that favor extremist religion - that goes for this pro life bullshit as well.

[Tagish_Charlie]

153. Sharia

Well it is the State of Brownbackistan

[Stuart G]

111. k and r..nt

[McCamy Taylor]

113. Where do I go to file a CPS case against the state of Kansas?

Maybe the rest of the nation should step in and remove all the children in Kansas from the state and put them somewhere they will be safe. And no, I am not joking. Forcing a 10 year old mentally retarded girl to have a baby is the worst kind of child abuse. These people are absolutely sick. They are probably the kind of people who think it is ok to kill children if they believe them "possessed".

Eeks!

[onecent]

115. omg...I am sitting here with my 11 year old granddaughters..and it is FRIGHTENING

THAT I should, could, or would EVER put up with some many raping them.

He would be one dead SOB......OMG..I haven't read all the responses yet...but this is just
beyond.....

THIS IS AMERICA...LOOK what we have turned in to.
I will keep reading...

[Jack Rabbit]

116. If God is anything like the Fundies say . . .

. . . then I want to go to Hell. I'll be the Devil's disciple.

[salin]

117. Mere words can not capture how appalled & outraged I am by this story.

[CraftyGal]

120. Also if she survived the pregnancy and birth...

She will face other complications. My birthmother went through all of this, she was 13 though not 10. She was unable to have another child after having me. She ended up adopting. I had. Been given up for adoption at birth.

[mythology]

124. There are things you just can't unlearn

I can vaguely understand (in the most insipid sort of way) the obviously stupid notion behind no abortion for adult women, but a 10 year old kid? Even if you believe that a grown woman (or man) can do something to provoke a rape, how the bloody hell can a 10 year old provoke it?

Things like this are why I'm a misanthrope about our species. Just so much stupid.

[leanforward]

125. To all of the above

Ditto to all of the above. We can be thankful the Doctor was a woman. This was pediatric care. We can only hope the young girl is doing well, in a caring environment.

[Smilo]

126. Thank God for people like Dr. Neuhaus

who do the right thing.

We need more people like her.

And what is it with the Christalibanistic lamebrains - are they so desperate to reproduce that they are cheering on incest and rape.

[iamthebandfanman]

133. Im posting a link to the Associated Press story about this

Apparently there were 11 people involved ages 10-18..
dont get me wrong, im totally pro choice and believe that a 10 year old having a baby is a health risk (could kill her) to the child if she gave birth.

just thought people should know it was about other cases too, not just the poor 10 year old

EDIT:
forgot to post the link lmao

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/kansas-revokes-doctors-license-abortion-case-152745500.html

[niyad]

171. I read that article, and it was sickening. it was clearly a witch hunt, "whahhhhhh, she didn't

provide enough information on their health, so we couldn't go and comb through all their records. phil klein was really upset. Why the HELL should there even be a question about mental health for a 10 or 11 year old? and apparently none of the people on that "healing arts" board (what the hell does THAT mean?) actually had any medical qualifications.

beyond sickening.

[blackspade]

138. Diseased is right.

[alp227]

139. Wow. heavily Catholic Latin American countries also believe in forced birth for girls!

For example the Brazilian Catholic Church excommunicated doctors who gave an abortion to a 9-y/o rape victim, a 16-year-old girl in the Dominican Republic died after being refused abortion, and Mexico has had TWO cases of pregnant 10-year-olds who carried to term!!!!

Looks like that's how low the white evangelicals complaining about "those illegal Mexicans taking our welfare and ruining our culture" want America to sink.

[Budgies Revenge]

140. That is sick. nt

[lexw]

142. TEN??!!! TEN??!! WHAT THE HELL IS MISSING IN THESE PEOPLE'S BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

144. We need to start a crusade of our own!

[panzerfaust]

147. Many times, when feeling bad about being Texan - Up pops Kansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Misery ...

and I feel a bit better.

[Walk away]

149. I hope this poor woman get out of Kansas before someone kills her.

It has always been deadly dangerous to be in a Red State on the front lines of abortion. Now it's suicidal.

[davidpdx]

150. I apologize in advance for this sarcastic remark

Because I know there are some good people in Kansas.

I just want to know why these people think it's ok for her uncle to get her pregnant and force her to give birth to the child. You would think in-breeding went out in the 1930s.

The doctor did the right thing. Whether he loses his license or not he's a hero from stopping a tragedy.

[melody]

155. The doctor is a woman

She's already screwed -- and, therefore, doubly a heroic figure.

[davidpdx]

159. I stand corrected on the gender of the doctor

You are right. At this point we are headed toward back alley abortions again in some states with all the restrictions eroding Rove v. Wade.

[DrDan]

151. this is the same state that tried to outlaw the serving of alcohol on planes flying across the state

Lived in Topeka for a year or so - never so glad to move away from a place.

[bigdarryl]

154. As Randi always says the rethugs love. The fetus

But hate the babies .Here you have a ten year old who by standards is just a babie but theses nut jobs say she haddock to carry a baby at full term

[6502]

164. all I can say is...

[robertpat5519du]

166. way to go, dr.ann!

and shame on those people who think that giving birth at that age is right.

[mokawanis]

169. I have family in Kansas

who always vote Republican. I also have a nephew in Kansas who is developmentally disabled and needs assisted living to get by. When the already small amount of assistance he gets each month was lowered I called my mom and asked her why she voted for people that are making her grandson's life more difficult she responded, "I didn't think they'd actually do anything that would hurt our grandson."
Guess again, mom. You just voted the Kansas Taliban into power.

[DiverDave]

176. Sick sick sick

Just when I thought they couldnt get crazier, sheesh, TEN??

[RKP5637]

178. It is not a well place, and is getting worse and worse. n/t