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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:29 AM

 

On liberal guilt.

It is inevitable, almost as dependable as thunder after lightning, as soon as liberals start getting agitated about what Obama and the Democrats are doing, how they are looking to sell us down the river, people will start popping up trying to lay the guilt trip on liberals.

For years this took the form of blaming liberals for Gore's loss in 2000. If it wasn't for that liberal icon Nader running, Gore would have won and we wouldn't have had Bush for eight years.

This particular guilt trip has lasted so long, and I've rebutted it for so long, that it is getting to be outdated. In fact the DLC article that I usually link to in order to disprove liberals' guilt has been disconnected, and the DLC is no more(at least officially). So let me give you the quick version. A. Al From, then DLC head, came out in an article in the DLC house organ Blueprint magazine(1/24/01) stating that it wasn't Nader's fault that Gore lost, that in fact, without Nader in the race, Bush would have won even more votes. B. Greg Palast handed the Gore team all the details of the Florida Votescam on a silver platter. Gore could have not just won the recount, but banished the Bushes to the political wilderness forever, yet he didn't. C. Gore continued his course of running a bad campaign and ran a bad recount, cherry picking what to recount and what not to recount instead of recounting the entire state among other bad moves. D. Oh, and there was that little thing called the Supreme Court that interfered, let's not forget that.

The sad thing is that despite all of this evidence of how liberals aren't to blame for the 2000 debacle, people still want to blame them. I suppose they can't handle the hard truth of just how badly Gore ran his campaign and recount, and thus have to scapegoat somebody.

Liberals are an interesting scapegoat. Democrats like to drive home the concept that liberals have to vote Democratic because they are powerless outside the Democratic party. Yet somehow, when the shit hits the fan, it is somehow, almost always the fault of these all powerful liberals whose just massive voter numbers throw the election one way or the other.

Take the latest guilt trip running around, that it is somehow the fault of liberals and liberal nonvoting in the midterms that gave us the Tea Party Congress in 2010. This is being thrown in the face of liberals who are currently expressing disapproval and disappointment of the Obama administration and Democrats in general. It is being said that it was lack of liberal turnout that threw the various elections to Tea Party candidates.

Really? What about the lack of turnout among the young and among African Americans?
The youth turnout, which is overwhelmingly Democratic, was half what it was in 2008. Yet nobody seems to be demonizing them about staying home in 2010. Nope, it is the liberals' fault.

Nevermind the fact that off year elections are generally lower on turnout in general, and that this usually gives the 'Pugs an advantage. Nevermind that it is the responsibility of the candidates to GOTV. Nope, somehow, someway, it is the liberal's fault whenever Democrats lose.

Liberals occupy an interesting place in politics. Democrats want their votes, but don't want to hear from them, or even throw them a crumb. If liberals become critical of Democrats, they are castigated as "retards" and told to "eat their peas" and then blamed for throwing elections. Geez I wish liberals truly had the power that the Democratic party scapegoats them with, life would be a lot simpler.

So if you are a liberal reading this, a liberal who is currently scared shitless that Obama and the Democrats are going to toss SS on the bonfire of "compromise", a liberal who is highly disappointed, and critical of a Democratic administration, and party, that has swung center right, don't let the bastards guilt trip you. It isn't your fault when the Democrats lose, it is the fault of Democratic candidate and the Democratic party, period. Any effort to persuade you otherwise is just so much scapegoating. Liberals didn't give this country Bush, nor the Tea Party. That is the fault of the Democrats. So don't let your voices be silenced by this imposed liberal guilt. It is a fiction, a myth, no more substantial than the Democratic youth vote in an off year election.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:33 AM

1. Haven't

It is inevitable, almost as dependable as thunder after lightning, as soon as liberals start getting agitated about what Obama and the Democrats are doing, how they are looking to sell us down the river, people will start popping up trying to lay the guilt trip on liberals.

For years this took the form of blaming liberals for Gore's loss in 2000. If it wasn't for that liberal icon Nader running, Gore would have won and we wouldn't have had Bush for eight years.

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Liberals occupy an interesting place in politics. Democrats want their votes, but don't want to hear from them, or even throw them a crumb. If liberals become critical of Democrats, they are castigated as "retards" and told to "eat their peas" and then blamed for throwing elections. Geez I wish liberals truly had the power that the Democratic party scapegoats them with, life would be a lot simpler.

...we already established that Obama and his supporters suck? I mean, how much self-pity, hanging on past hurts and whining does it take?

So if you are a liberal reading this, a liberal who is currently scared shitless that Obama and the Democrats are going to toss SS on the bonfire of "compromise", a liberal who is highly disappointed, and critical of a Democratic administration, and party, that has swung center right, don't let the bastards guilt trip you. It isn't your fault when the Democrats lose, it is the fault of Democratic candidate and the Democratic party, period. Any effort to persuade you otherwise is just so much scapegoating. Liberals didn't give this country Bush, nor the Tea Party. That is the fault of the Democrats. So don't let your voices be silenced by this imposed liberal guilt. It is a fiction, a myth, no more substantial than the Democratic youth vote in an off year election.

I'm "a liberal reading this," and saying WTF?

The President plays some chin music.
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Response to ProSense (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:41 AM

11. Really? You're saying "WTF"? Funny,

 

You're one of the people I had in mind while writing this post, being as you just love, love, love to throw around that old Nader canard as often as you can, despite the fact that it has been disproven time and again.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:42 PM

14. "You're one of the people I had in mind while writing this post..." Funny

I've never posted an OP with you in mind.

"...being as you just love, love, love to throw around that old Nader canard as often as you can, despite the fact that it has been disproven time and again. "



Fuck Ralph Nader!

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:53 AM

2. K&R

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:58 AM

3. Too many Dems are like little Yippy dogs.

All barking like crazy at each other, and at the bone that sits right in front of them.

Meanwhile, the GOP dobermans sit quietly and wait for the yippy dogs to exhaust themselves and give up.

Then the GOP takes the bone.

Until we focus our outrage on the GOP, where it belongs, we're fucked.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:16 AM

9. So how does nominating a bunch of Republicans to high posts focus the outrage on Republicans?

Just wondering. Or do you mean that Democrats are wrong to not focus on some Republicans while praising others to the sky and demanding they become DOD? Is there an advance list for us to use so we don't criticize the Republicans that are being groomed for appointments to high office?

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:00 AM

4. Thanks for this post. It needed to be said. K&R. NT

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:00 AM

5. shitting all over obama and the democrats? that is so unlike you!

eom

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:38 AM

10. Asking democrats to actually stand up for democratic values isn't "shitting" on them.

That goes well beyond hyperbole.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:03 AM

6. K&R

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:05 AM

7. K/R a very good post.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:09 AM

8. Centrists will use Nader longer than Republicans used Carter for the same purpose

We will still be hearing about Nader and EmoProg perfidy in 2030 and beyond if any of us are still around.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:41 PM

12. Sadly, you're right.

 

One would think that the Nader hate, misguided as it is, would have dissipated by now, but here we are, over ten years later and it is still going strong.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:30 PM

13. The Nader hate is easy to explain, a good comforting scapegoat is a remarkably useful thing

If you have someone else to blame it's always easier to avoid facing your own shortcomings, it's human nature and we all do it to a greater or lesser extent.

Things were shaky when Carter was president, Reagan came in and kicked the wobbly underpinnings out and turned a critical juncture of history into a debacle that would continue right through the modern day.

The Republicans ran against Carter precisely because Carter told the awful truth the American people didn't want to hear. The moral equivalent of war rings truer today than it ever did back then.




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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:58 PM

15. Please explain why the vast majority of Liberals SUPPORT

Obama?

Go to any favorability poll, and look at his favorability among Liberals. I'll wait........

Don't judge the rest of us Liberals by the few extremists here at DU.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:06 PM

16. Yes, because everyone knows you can't support a President and be critical at the same time. eom

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