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Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:14 PM

I'm sensing a letdown...

"Whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect. Some people aren't going to like it, some people are going to like it less," Reid said on the Senate floor after the meeting with President Barack Obama, other top congressional leaders and senior administration officials.

Obama declared himself "modestly optimistic" that the Senate leaders can forge an agreement, but he warned that "nobody's going to get 100% of what they want."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/28/politics/fiscal-cliff/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


The last time I heard Obama use the "nobody's going to get 100% of what they want." meme, was when Boner bragged he got 98% of what he wanted in the last budget negotiations.

I could be wrong, and I certainly hope I'm wrong, but if I was a betting man, I think the tax increase is going to be raised to those making more than 400k, and SS will be cut with chained CPI.

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Reply I'm sensing a letdown... (Original post)
NeoConsSuck Dec 2012 OP
Lionessa Dec 2012 #1
malz Dec 2012 #22
plethoro Dec 2012 #29
spanone Dec 2012 #2
DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #7
roguevalley Dec 2012 #13
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #15
daa Dec 2012 #16
Skittles Dec 2012 #18
OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #19
Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #21
L0oniX Dec 2012 #24
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #25
pasto76 Dec 2012 #26
Skidmore Dec 2012 #48
woo me with science Dec 2012 #30
Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #36
LaydeeBug Dec 2012 #37
WillyT Dec 2012 #38
Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #44
Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #3
R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #4
senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #5
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #6
RobertEarl Dec 2012 #9
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #11
Barack_America Dec 2012 #8
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #10
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #12
Liberalynn Dec 2012 #17
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #45
pasto76 Dec 2012 #28
adigal Dec 2012 #39
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #46
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #14
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #20
Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #23
plethoro Dec 2012 #27
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #32
plethoro Dec 2012 #33
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #34
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #31
savannah43 Dec 2012 #35
DevonRex Dec 2012 #40
mw Dec 2012 #41
bhikkhu Dec 2012 #42
Skraxx Dec 2012 #47
sellitman Dec 2012 #43

Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:19 PM

1. Yep, same-o same-o.

 

Like you I hope you're wrong, but the groundwork is being laid for Obama to cave... AGAIN.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:07 PM

22. +1

 

The President seems not to realize what a strong hand he has!

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Response to malz (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:29 PM

29. No, I believe he does.........nft

 

dddddd

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:21 PM

2. whine on

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Response to spanone (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:52 PM

7. You know what? Stop it.

Take your "whining" accusations somewhere else. This is not a board for goddamned simpletons to get together and chant the President's name over and over again without a single thought in their heads beyond praising the President, but I swear, some posters here want to live in just such a moronic world. If you have something to say about the OP, say so. If you just want to hurl accusations with no basis, no possible way to contribute to the conversation, please try to understand that your input has no worth and you're not contributing to anything positive at all. Now you can go ahead and yell at me, but I've really lost all patience with those who insist that we don't do any thinking or engage in real discussion here. Rah fucking rah.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:24 PM

13. well said disgustipated. Some people are still 12.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:34 PM

15. +1

 

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:34 PM

16. +1000

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:40 PM

18. PREACH IT!!!

you know the score, DisustipatedinCA!

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:46 PM

19. Booyakasha - Respek.

 

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:50 PM

21. Thank you.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:17 PM

24. This deserves its own op. +1,000,000,000

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:24 PM

25. Fuckin A

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:26 PM

26. whine whine whine

talk about a simplistic world? HA! apparently you and the OP think we live in a world where holding posting on an obscure message board is going to have any kind of affect on this world.

welcome to reality. the GOP controls the House. Legislation (remember those checks and balances things) cannot pass without passing a house vote. Period. So what that means in the REAL world? means not everyone will get a tax increase that deserves it. means we wont get all the cuts from DOD that we should have.

it also means - relevant to the 'debt crisis' or not, that SS and/or medicare will likley take a hit.

What Im sick of is all you people who 'know better' than the goddamn DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT, who actually lives this bullshit every day. I guarantee he'd love to make all of your 'progressive' dreams come true. But the we were unable to give him a democratic House. Its REALITY. DEAL. or start campaigning for 2014 and maybe he can have a year of actually getting shit done.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:48 PM

48. Yup.

For some, reality is irrelevant unfortunately. That, and the notion that staying at home in 2010 sure taught the Dems a lesson.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:31 PM

30. ...

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:50 PM

36. +1

PB

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:51 PM

37. this. nt

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:55 PM

38. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!!





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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:56 PM

44. Well said. (nt)

 

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:24 PM

3. Words have meaning and the actions many times are not the same as the words

 

it is just the way he rolls.

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:26 PM

4. But Nancy Pelosi said that a chained CPI was not a cut.

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:28 PM

5. You have a right to feel that way.

Are reps answering their phones? Time to get calling again. I don't know what else to suggest.

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:47 PM

6. Obama's reputation as a Repug appeaser certainly precedes him

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:58 PM

9. He was better

Like when he called them hijackers and hostage takers.

Sadly, most of the people don't care one way or the other and even on DU we have some who are glad Obama compromises with the enemy.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:08 PM

11. Yeah, it really is sad

The Dems have become the 1980's Repukes, and people here are cheering about it. Stockholm Syndrome?

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:57 PM

8. House Republicans still probably won't vote for it.

Boehner couldn't even get them to vote for an increase on those making $1 million or more.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:06 PM

10. ALL the more reason to have NO BENEFIT CUTS in it

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:10 PM

12. My "wants" are very simple

No cuts to SS, Medicare, Medicaid, or public education. That's it.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:38 PM

17. Me too

I am hoping ABC is right and that whatever bill passes now will only address the tax issue and leave any discussions of spending cuts till later. That is what they are reporting would be the most likely scenario for Harry and Mchinless( stolen from Stephanie Miller lol) to agree to. Who knows if they are right

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:12 PM

45. I would consider that a complete thrashing of the Repukes at this moment

If we can get the top-level revenue hikes now, with NO spending cuts until whenever, I will heap praise on Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, and look forward to the next two years with great hope.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:27 PM

28. yeah my wants are simple too

a democratically controlled house and senate. Wish in one hand, shit in the other. see which fills up first.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:05 PM

39. Our president acts like a Republican! And pelosi goes along with it!

If Obama touches soc sec, I will feel totally betrayed and not lift one finger in 2014. And to think I donated again this year after swearing I wouldn't!

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:15 PM

46. That ship already sailed

in 2009-2010. Huge majorities in both houses. They dropped the ball, and paid for it in the mid-terms. Hopefully they learned from that and will be more aggressive this time

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:47 PM

20. I'm ok with the $400k line, but NOT ok with the CPI change. nt

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:10 PM

23. Trashing thread!

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:27 PM

27. Me too. I just wonder what would happen if Obama went with the CPI Social Security cut, and

 

the Republicans voted against it. Would the meme then be that Obama tried to cut Social Security but the Republicans didn't allow it. That could happen. What Obama is counting on is once he does the chained CPI cut that people will simply forget about it in a few months. Not me, or anyone I know. Not so much because of the cut itself, which affects the poorest, the promise of a 20 year kickback notwithstanding, but that the cut would open the door to more cuts. Which could result in a recession for people thinking they're going starting cutting more. And because of that, my wallet will be closed because I know I will have to provide even more for my daughter who at 42 will get zilch when SS is turned to welfare.

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Response to plethoro (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:33 PM

32. Its not happening.

That cut has caused DU hair to burst into flames at least 6 or 7 times in the last 3 years.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:37 PM

33. No offense, JoePhilly, but I think it is. I will be the first

 

to tell you I was wrong and you were right should it not happen. I think the chained CPI is going to happen and I think another major hit will happen in the first quarter. But this latter one will not be agreed to by Democrats.

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Response to plethoro (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:43 PM

34. Again, at least you are taking a position.

I don't think Obama will agree to a chained CPI cut as part of a deal now ... and I don't see any reason to make additional cuts in 1Q.

I do suspect that the GOP will try to get cuts with the debt ceiling, but Obama has no reason to agree to them.

I think those who call for everyone to contact their representatives are right. That always makes sense. Yell at them.

What bugs me, is the endless series of threads which declare that Obama has as a primary goal, gutting these programs. I think its BS.



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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:47 PM

35. Lovely! If you are correct, then relatively speaking, it will amount to

taking a little away from the wealthy and a lot from the poor and handicapped.

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:06 PM

40. JFC, did you listen to what was said?

They aren't gonna agree on shit except extending unemployment, taxes for under $250,000, and payroll tax extension. That's it. Those 3 things are what Obama instructed Reid to put to a vote on the senate floor. Otherwise, the only thing they've agreed to is the bill the senate already passed.

Then, there are the 2 house bills Boehner sent over. They don't have chained CPI either. Nothing on offer has chained CPI in it. Boehner turned down that offer. It is off the table.

Obama led with his best offer last year. Every offer has gotten smaller. Once they've been turned down, they have not been offered again. They're dead. Off the table. Gone. Kaput. If this proves to be the exception to the rule I would be surprised. Because we are so close to getting what we want. Tax increases for over $250,000, unemployment insurance extension and payroll tax cut extension. Defense spending decreases. Then we make them bargain after the 3rd. We hold Defense spending hostage to the debt ceiling increase so they can't tank the economy.

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:08 PM

41. If Dems "extend" the middle class cuts (instead of making them permanent) -- then Dems FAIL

GOP would like to merely "extend" the cuts...so they can retain leverage for another, better politically, day.

PERMANENT tax cuts, or this whole debate is a Democratic debacle.

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:12 PM

42. Did Boehner get 98% of what he wanted at the last budget negotiations?

Actually, when it came down to the final tally, he got squat, and looked like a fool. That was at a time when he was supposed to be holding all the cards, and Planned Parenthood, NPR, Social Security and Medicare were all supposed to be on the table; he got nothing. That he came out and crowed about how well he did just demonstrates, to me, that he was completely out of his league.

...so the take-away there is don't listen to what the repugs say about whatever agreement we get, as playing them for fools is and easy trick. Look at what the actual agreement is.

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Response to bhikkhu (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:06 PM

47. In Fact, That Deal, Is WHY He is in the Position he is now

He got nothing out of that deal. Worse than nothing. Obama chumped him an set him up, which is made obvious by the current dynamics.

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Response to NeoConsSuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:16 PM

43. When the sky falls let me know.

No point in freaking out until we know the end game. Even then. What will be our choices? Stay home and watch the Rethugs completely take over?

That worked so well in 2010 eh?

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