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Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:33 PM

 

The real stolen election - Democrats just won the House by 1.2 million votes (2012)

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/21/1351161/democratic-house-candidates-now-have-a-nearly-12-million-vote-lead-over-the-republicans/

More than a month after the election, the Democrats’ popular vote lead expanded significantly. Based on current tallies, Democrats now lead Republicans 59,343,447 to 58,178,393 in total votes cast for their House candidates — meaning that the American people preferred Democrats over Republicans by nearly a full percentage point of the total vote. Yet, despite clearly losing the popular vote, Republicans will control nearly 54 percent of the seats in the House in the 113th Congress.


But how did the GOP keep a big seat advantage?

Gerrymandering.

Read this (from same link) and get ready to be pissed off.

Obama won Virginia, and Democrats took 3 of 11 House seats. Obama won Ohio, but Democrats carried only 4 of 16 seats in Ohio’s House delegation. In state after state after state, Republicans used their unconstitutional ability to gerrymander Democratic votes into meaninglessness — and they were able to do so because the conservatives on the Supreme Court refuse to do anything about it.

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Reply The real stolen election - Democrats just won the House by 1.2 million votes (2012) (Original post)
banned from Kos Dec 2012 OP
Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #1
Telly Savalas Dec 2012 #14
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #20
caseymoz Dec 2012 #58
Stellar Jan 2013 #67
pnwmom Dec 2012 #2
Jim Lane Dec 2012 #11
pnwmom Dec 2012 #25
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #35
AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #3
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #5
krawhitham Dec 2012 #43
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #45
SunSeeker Jan 2013 #65
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #4
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #36
stillwaiting Dec 2012 #37
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #39
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #63
iemitsu Jan 2013 #66
freshwest Dec 2012 #6
louis c Dec 2012 #10
freshwest Dec 2012 #16
pnwmom Dec 2012 #26
freshwest Dec 2012 #27
pnwmom Dec 2012 #31
Cleita Dec 2012 #7
Botany Dec 2012 #8
Coyotl Dec 2012 #9
banned from Kos Dec 2012 #12
hfojvt Dec 2012 #13
JVS Dec 2012 #15
RobertEarl Dec 2012 #18
RC Dec 2012 #23
RainDog Dec 2012 #17
Playinghardball Dec 2012 #19
stopwastingmymoney Dec 2012 #44
totodeinhere Dec 2012 #21
The Wizard Dec 2012 #22
Sam1 Dec 2012 #38
Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #24
codemoguy Dec 2012 #28
Sam1 Dec 2012 #40
Initech Dec 2012 #29
Jenoch Dec 2012 #30
no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #32
totodeinhere Dec 2012 #33
freshwest Dec 2012 #34
Scurrilous Dec 2012 #41
treestar Dec 2012 #42
RobertEarl Dec 2012 #46
treestar Dec 2012 #47
RobertEarl Dec 2012 #49
arely staircase Dec 2012 #48
Rex Dec 2012 #50
Jenoch Dec 2012 #51
judesedit Dec 2012 #52
jreal Dec 2012 #53
budkin Dec 2012 #54
buzzroller Dec 2012 #55
heaven05 Dec 2012 #56
samsingh Dec 2012 #57
grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #59
cecilfirefox Dec 2012 #60
samsingh Dec 2012 #61
harmonicon Dec 2012 #62
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2012 #64

Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:38 PM

1. Which speaks volumes to the Democratic Mandate from that election.

Only by hook and crook could the Republicans hold their tenuous grip on power.

Thanks for the thread, banned from Kos.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:00 PM

14. Err...I wouldn't call 50.4% of the vote a "mandate"

But yeah, it's pretty jacked up that the composition of the House deviates as far as it does from the will of the people.

And I second your thanks to the OP for creating this thread. This was the first I'd heard of this.

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Response to Telly Savalas (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:16 PM

20. I would, considering the Dems won the Presidency, 2 more Senate seats, and even the House.

If it wasn't a mandate than it was a serious rebuke of the Republican party.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:23 PM

58. I'd call it "cautious approval."


Which could turn unless they see some results.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #58)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:54 AM

67. I call it...

the 'Big FIX'!

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:42 PM

2. Have there been cases against gerrymandering brought on constitutional grounds?

One man, one vote doesn't seem to be working in gerrymandered districts, where some votes count more than others.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:25 PM

11. Yes, several.

Before the 1960s the situation was really bad, because there was no requirement that there be even an approximation of one person, one vote. It was common for states to provide that one chamber of the state legislature be elected on a basis like "one State Senator from each county" regardless of population. This greatly overweighted rural (conservative) votes. It was an upheaval in American politics when the Warren Court held such districting to be unconstitutional.

Unfortunately, as long as the state creates districts that have roughly equal population, it can get away with quite a bit. A leading case is League of United Latin American Citizens v. Perry, 548 U. S. 399 (2006). In a maneuver masterminded by Tom DeLay, Texas took the unusual step of redrawing district lines when there was no new census to account for. The only reason for this mid-decade redistricting was to stack the map to favor Republicans. In a split decision, the Supreme Court held that this general procedure was acceptable. One specific district was held to be illegal under the Voting Rights Act because of its effect on minority voters, but most of the gerrymandering was allowed to stand.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:48 PM

25. Thanks, Jim. n/t

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:37 AM

35. You mentioned the Voting Rights Act. It appears the SCOTUS will dismantle it this year. nm

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:45 PM

3. I wish Democrats would have voted more in 2010

We wouldn't have to be dealing with a Republican House of Representatives for the next 10 years due to Republicans controlling so many state governments during 2011, a redistricting year (right after a census year) and thus allowing them to gerrymander the districts to retain power in the House.

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Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:58 PM

5. Dems did vote

stop spreading this lie. The ones who didn't vote were the "independents", who likely voted D in 2008, then saw that even with a Dem White House, Dem House and Dem Senate, the Repukes still got their way. If our Dems had gotten busy changing things in 2009-2010, they could have held their ground.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:53 PM

43. wrong

in 2008 house votes were 64,888,090 Dem (up .9% from 2006) 51,952,981 Rethug (down 1.7% from 2006)

in 2010 house votes were 38,854,459 Dem (Down 8.1%) 44,593,666 Rethug (up 9.0%)

Do the math (38,854,459/64,888,090=0.598) Dems only got 60% of the vote in 2010 that they received in 2008 while Rethugs got 86%


Now in 2012 Dems got 59,382,706 while Rethugs got 58,206,843

On a side note while we did beat the Repugs in total votes this cycle, the Repugs also received the most votes they ever have in a cycle for house members

Their 2nd best was 2004 with 55,713,412 votes

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Response to krawhitham (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:06 PM

45. I didn't say that more people voted Dem

I said that all of the committed Dems voted in 2010. The Dem president and Congress, who were voted in by millions of indy's and swing voters in 2008, failed to deliver the change they promised in 2008. A typical example was a caller to Hartmann in the summer of 2010, during Brunch With Bernie. He said that he typically voted R but had voted for Obama in 2008 because he could not abide our government torturing prisoners, and had believed that Obama would summarily end that practice. Since the president had decide to continue the practice, he was going to go back to voting primarily (R). This is the kind of voter who came out for Obama in 2008 then stayed home in 2010, not the liberals.

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Response to krawhitham (Reply #43)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:37 AM

65. Thank you. The numbers don't lie. The very Dem youth vote in particular fell off in 2010.

We took it all for granted and stayed home in 2010. Hopefully we learned our lesson.

Happy New Year!

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:55 PM

4. Should have taken care of the SCOTUS problem after Theft 2000

occupied the SCOTUS building until they resigned or were dragged to the guillotine.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:43 AM

36. Apathy is one of our biggest challenges. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #36)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:05 PM

37. Agreed. Learned helplessness is another. nt

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:10 PM

39. Yes, that describes it better. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:48 PM

63. One of these days

we should get around to doing something about that.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:18 PM

66. Hear, hear.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:59 PM

6. Thanks, but aren't we still at a disvantage until 2020?

It's the reason the Democratic vote depressing punditry went on steroids from the Left and the Koch funded Tea Party was created to take advantage of the 2010 census and maintain the Bush tax cuts.

Democrats seemed ignorant of the high stakes involved and some left the fray, saying Obama was going to just take care of it, which is a logical impossibility. The power is in states, and the outrages by the GOP prove that.

The same pattern appears to be developing for 2014. If we don't persevere as Democrats and allow fracturing through 2020, we can forget ever having a voice again. It's that serious.

Nordquist didn't get the POTUS he wanted, but his philosophy of 'starve the beast' and the GOP punditry work to cast filth on those who depend on the social safety net, public service and unions daily. They haven't quit since they have a long-term plan, working every year between presidential elections and the ground game to do it.

The Libertarians are working to do the exact same thing, and the Left has decided to savage the Democrats for unproductive, ideological purity. That pattern destroyed the coalition of social democrats, unions, communists and socialists in Germany during the Weimar Republic and allowed a majority of fascists to take over.

It ain't over, it's going to get more intense from now through 2020 and through 2030.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:25 PM

10. I understand your point about 2020, however

A lot of these seats that the Republicans won are by less than 5 points. In order to concentrate the Dem vote in a few districts, the Rep. margin is thinned.

If the demographics continue in our favor and if we vote in the numbers that we should and if Hillary is the candidate of our party and if the economy stays relatively sound into 2016 (I know, that's a lot of ifs) that's the year we'll take back the House and hold all three branches of government (House, Senate and Prez). Hopefully, we'll get control of the SCOTUS, also.

There is also the growing possibility the the Repukes could commit political suicide by splintering into a conventional, Repuke wing and the crazy teabagger wing. Coupled with the growing demographic changes, that would be the end of the Republican Party as we know it.

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Response to louis c (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:11 PM

16. You want Hillary to run when she's going on 70 years old?

Is this the hope and prayer of the Obama bashers here, that by destroying turnout and depressing the vote that it will benefit her?

I see no encouragement or knowledge to get people here to vote. Instead, I see quite the opposite occuring here thread after thread, as nothing that is being done is good enough and they have no solutions at all. So they want to wait for Hillary to come save us? it'll be too late.

The presidential election season is made in the off years in between them and too many here are calling to leave the Democratic Party in spirit. There is no inevitability about demographics, either, without work and encouragement. No group is fated to vote one way or the other.

Some even say they will not vote in 2014. So while they sit home then, what will the GOP do in those states? Give up?

No, they are not giving up at all because there is great profit to be made for them. They control most of the states and the votes. If we sit out in 2014 those who are looking to Hillary to ride in on a white horse to save them, can forget their hopes for 2016. It was too close this time, and with the GOP more in control in 2014, it's going to be almost impossible.

If the struggle that this president has endured to try to turn aournd over thirty years of Republican rule running this country into the ground, isn't sufficient to inspire anyone to get out in 2014, nothing will be. And I say we will have nothing to do if we don't.

I hope that you are right and I am wrong. From what I see here at DU, the GOP will win again in 2014.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:51 PM

26. You mean "ideological impurity" -- right?

Excellent post, otherwise.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:22 PM

27. Perhaps the subjects of the sentence was unclear - 'unproductive, ideological purity' are not what

Democrats are caught up in. It is 'unproductive' to push 'ideological purity' to the point nothing gets done when lives are at stake. It is not the terms that matter as much as intent and results. I'll give an example here, but I may be going a bit afield.

In 2009 Obama attempted to put through a series of New Deal programs in intent, but in keeping with the times. The GOP fought tooth and nail in all the states they controllled, in D.C. and their media. Here is one favorable report:

http://www.thesunchronicle.com/news/wpa-depression-era-projects-had-lasting-impact/article_440cd8be-726c-5cc6-a826-6858841da9f0.html

New Deal vs. Obama's first actions in office:



http://www.billshrink.com/blog/3412/the-new-deal-vs-obamas-economic-recovery-act/

Anyway, we get too riled up about words and forget the intent to keep the country stable and with a working governmenr, the only thing that stands between us and facist plutocrats.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:58 AM

31. Yes, I misunderstood.

Thanks for the post.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:58 PM

7. Wishing Democrats had voted more in 2010 doesn't change the fact that gerrymandering is

a big problem and it's actually anti-democratic.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:12 PM

8. and yet the "talking heads" will go on and on about the fact we had a split election

... and the American people wanted a republican House.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:17 PM

9. Worse still, gerrymandered, secure, wing-nut district Reps have no reason to compromise

Gerrymandered secure districts are the primary reason they get away with obstruction. If an R rep had to account for her/his action in a close district, their behavior would be different. In gerrymandered secure districts, bad reps retain their seats.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:32 PM

12. This! Up here ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Gerrymandering kills compromise.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:48 PM

13. okay, here is one example from 2008

Virginia's 2nd Congressional District

Obama won that district by 50% to 48%
In 2012, the Republican incumbent won by 166,231 to 142,548

Right now, because I don't have paypal, I cannot purchase election results by congressional district, but if Obama won that district again, and the Democrat lost, that is not because of gerrymandering. It is because strange voters voted for Obama and then also voted for a Republican congressman to oppose Obama.

My mom tells me the same thing happened in Wisconsin. Obama won Ryan's congressional district, but a majority of those Obama voters, also re-elected Ryan for Congress.

Doesn't make sense to me, but it is NOT because of Gerrymandering.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:04 PM

15. One other possibility

" if Obama won that district again, and the Democrat lost, that is not because of gerrymandering. It is because strange voters voted for Obama and then also voted for a Republican congressman to oppose Obama."

It is also possible that Obama attracted voters who were not interested in the congressional races. Buy yeah, you're right. Such data is indicative of either horrendous congressional candidate or a lack of coat tails on Obama's part and not gerrymandering.

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Response to JVS (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:13 PM

18. Or

It could be like vote switching. Which is probably what happens.


Obama 65,006,643
Romney: 60,538,051

That is 4.5 million votes dif.
But then many switched and voted for a republican congresscritter? I'd have to say it looks like vote switching.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:57 PM

23. The reason is because Mitt Romney was such a bad choice, no one was left to vote for except Obama.

 

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that one out.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:12 PM

17. k&r n/t

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:15 PM

19. Gerrymandering has been going on in California for years much to the advantage of

the Democrats...

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Response to Playinghardball (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:05 PM

44. That just underlines the point


In California we voted in 2010.

We were inspired by having Meg Whitman to defeat, thanks Meg.

Now we have a Dem super majority in our legislature.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:39 PM

21. This is a good example of elections having consequences. The GOP was able to gerrymander so many

congressional districts because they won control of so many statehouses in the 2010 midterm election. If we want to change this dynamic we need to do better in local elections in the future. We made a start by winning back some state legislatures in 2012, but the GOP remains in control of a plurality of state legislatures (with several split between the two parties) and they hold 30 governorships.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:43 PM

22. Our system is seriously flawed

and susceptible for abuse of process. One Senator representing 600,000 people can effectively shutter the government. The electoral college is a dinosaur from a bygone era. Republicans are trying to get electors based on how gerrymandered districts vote, thus expanding the opportunity to let the minority steal an election.
Would we be better served with a parliamentary system? At least the majority would govern.
Currently those representing the minority are holding the majority hostage. Time and again the Republicans have proven themselves to be political savages that will stifle the will of the people by any means available.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:09 PM

38. No Shit!

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:58 PM

24. The big scary push

 

Is to use this house district system to distribute electoral college votes.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:24 PM

28. your numbers may be accurate...but...

they're not relevant...

the overall/national popular vote for Congress matters even less than the popular vote for President. The votes of people in Georgia have no bearing on the
election of a representative from New York. There are 435 separate elections....this concept is meaningless.

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Response to codemoguy (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:21 PM

40. I would agree if donations and support from outside of the district were prohibited.

As it is you are correct the the votes cast in Georgia have no effect on the election out comes is New York but the Money spent by Banksters in North Carolina and New York have a big impact in Georgia.

When viewed from the prospective of control of the congress so called separate elections are pieces of the whole and are treated that way by the parties and the vested interests. What has happened is that the people of this county are underrepresented and the oligarchies are over represented.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:34 PM

29. The billionaires don't need to rig national elections, just local ones.

If you think Obama won and the Kochs lost, think again. They won and they won big. Keeping the house is a huge part of their strategy. Nothing will get done and nothing will get passed. The house will continue to remain the circular firing squad that it is. Until we get these dipshits out of the house permanently don't expect things to change.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:34 AM

30. I don't mean to throw a wrench into your theory

and I know that gerrymandering does happen, but there is another explanation.

"Democrats now lead Republicans 59,343,447 to 58,178,393 in total votes cast for their House candidates"

The vote totals could come from Democrats winning by much larger margins than Republicans. That is likepy what happened. Democrats won big in 2012 while the Republican winnng candidates mostly squeaked by.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 07:12 AM

32. How do you sue to "correct" gerrymandering?

Or can you sue?

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 07:57 AM

33. If you could show that the gerrymandering violated the Voting Rights Act

or perhaps some other civil rights law then that might be the basis of a lawsuit. It has been tried before with limited success.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:48 AM

34. True. And why the GOP in states affected by the Voting Rights Act keep trying to repeal it.

Since it didn't apply to all the states, those not in the law have been getting away with these shenanigans. Note in th map below, that OH, MI, WI, CO and PA, which made the news this year are not included. The DOJ could not applyt the law to stop what was being done, they had to find other methods:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965

Here's a tidbit on what the Voting Rights Act changed in gerrymandering to help minorities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering#Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965

It's almost impossible to get a national consensus to get anything done after decades of GOP friendly owned media.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:27 PM

41. K & R

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:29 PM

42. Republicans getting statehouses and governorships

this is all down to people who think the Presidency is the be-all and end-all; waste time holding the US President's feet to the fire and have no idea what is going on in their states. For this we can thank the professional left and the progressives who keep our eyes on what the President is doing wrong in every little thing while completely ignoring local politics.

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Response to treestar (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:28 PM

46. BS, teestar

It is because we have an inaccurate vote count and suppression of voters. These things are well known to be facts. It is not the Emoprogs who are to blame for the country going fascist. It is the fascist who are to blame for the fascism. Will you ever admit that?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:46 PM

47. In accurate vote count and suppression of voters where?

In every single state? Again, the Republicans are on it and the left sits around worrying about the President's every action.

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Response to treestar (Reply #47)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:03 PM

49. And you, teestar?

You attack the left.

What the hell? Why would anyone attack the only part of American politics that has brought us progress? What is your reasoning? Why not attack the fascists instead? Are you not of the left?

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:50 PM

48. we need to take over some state legislatures and fix this

eom

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:05 PM

50. We need to abolish gerrymandering and require term limits!!!

But that would also require honor and integrity. Morals and ethics.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:48 PM

51. In Minnesota, the political parties

can never agree on redistricting maps and it always goes to the courts to decide. Fortuneately, the courts have mostly sided with the DFL plans in the latest redistricting.Heck, we now have both houses and gained a U.S. House seat.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:17 PM

52. There are enough people in this country who are bought & will do anything for $$$$ & a hint of power

This will not happen in 2014 and who knows....many of the old hypocritical rw bastards may die off. If an irregularity is discovered, hopefully, the real loser will not be allowed to remain in office like Bushco to take this country down further. Please stand up democrats and fight for our rights to have a fair, equal, and honest election. Stop eating all of the frankinfood out there. It's clouding your minds and turning you into a zombie one minute and a monster the next. Think I'm kidding? Do your research. Or have your clerks do it.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 08:48 PM

53. What makes gerrymandering unconstitutional? n/t

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:34 AM

54. That's what happens when you stay home during the midterms.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:40 AM

55. Republicans have a natural advantage

Even with fair districts drawn by a computer, a study has shown that Republicans have an advantage because Democrats tend be more concentrated geographically. This came up during Florida's successful effort to pass a fair districts provision of the constitution.

On top of this natural advantage, our supreme court, in my opinion, gave the R's a pass and let them get away with more than they should have. Nevertheless, R's do have a natural advantage according to the study, so we have to win in even greater numbers.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-09-27/news/os-redistricting-future-analysis-20100926_1_florida-voters-democratic-voters-political-maps

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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:21 AM

56. the supreme court?

again? Well all the rethugs since raygun have screwed decent, caring, hard working progressives and liberals for how long? We get what we vote for and allow, from our elected and 'appointed' (the real devils in this matter) officials.

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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:53 AM

57. where is trump's outrage on this stolen aspect of the election?

he was quick on twitter when trump thought it was the other way around

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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:35 PM

59. How it works....

R districts are gerrymandered so that 65% of the constituency is R.

D districts are made 100% D.

Thus, you have more R winning districts.

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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:50 PM

60. Not THAT I think the real story of November in 2012. nt

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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:55 PM

61. kick

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Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:37 AM

62. And it will keep happening - many here support gerrymandering.

I'm always amazed and appalled when I read people here praise Democratic gerrymandering. The reasoning I hear is "the other side does it." Well, there's one side on, and that side is democracy. We're fucked until the Democratic Party makes non-partisan district mapping part of their platform.

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Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:52 PM

64. Kick

We would be avoiding the current mess if Congress really reflected the electorate.

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