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Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:21 PM

Are the White House and the Senate Democrats finally hearing the voices of the progressives...?

For too long, there was silence when the talk was about cutting Medicare and Social Security. Progressives did not think they should be on the bargaining table, seriously or not seriously. It showed a total lack of respect and concern for those folks that depend on those programs.

And now, they are talking about a $250K limit, instead of a million dollar or a $400K limit on the earnings that will not see their taxes go up. Many progressives do not agree with the $250K limit and do not consider it part of the "middle class". They do not think the President is being earnest when he talks about it as if it is the "middle class".

Hopefully, they have heard the voices of those in dissent over the hurrahs and cheering of those that dissent on nothing.

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Reply Are the White House and the Senate Democrats finally hearing the voices of the progressives...? (Original post)
kentuck Dec 2012 OP
senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #1
kentuck Dec 2012 #4
banned from Kos Dec 2012 #8
kentuck Dec 2012 #9
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #11
graham4anything Dec 2012 #2
kentuck Dec 2012 #5
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #10
Skidmore Dec 2012 #3
senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #7
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #14
graham4anything Dec 2012 #12
kentuck Dec 2012 #6
graham4anything Dec 2012 #13
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #15
kentuck Dec 2012 #16
graham4anything Dec 2012 #17
1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #18

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:26 PM

1. What are you basing this on?

Just curious.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:31 PM

4. The change in tone and tactics...

since last week...

What happened to the cuts in Medicare and Social Security? What happened to the $400K limit proposed by the White House?

I do not believe it was all part of the "plan" from the beginning. I think those that believe that are very naive.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:36 PM

8. perhaps you were fooled by negotiating tactics

 

-- no, probably so.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:38 PM

9. Have we not seen those "negotiating tactics" before??

Or did you forget?

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:44 PM

11. Offer ing MORE than you want to give is not negotiating

it is suicide

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:29 PM

2. No, the whiners aren't doing anything but whining. A negotiation always works the same way

 

and has nothing to do with the 1% of the democratic party whining

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:31 PM

5. 1% ?

You foolish person.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:39 PM

10. 100% right.

 

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:31 PM

3. Does it ever occur to self-identified "progressives" that

many more people (ones who don't slam that label around) than them probably agree with them and have been arguing the same thing? I don't know who these "progressives" are because I've never heard anything that definitively makes me think they are anything other than disgruntled liberals who the Republicans shamed into adopting another name.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:35 PM

7. The Progressive Caucus

is one example of principled progressives, and I admire its members very much. I truly believe our country would be better off in every way if all Dems were members.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:47 PM

14. Damn right about that

looks like the DINOs and 3rd way Dems have adopted Hate Radio's use of liberal as an insult. First Rahm, then Plouffe, and now DU. I suppose I should have seen that coming. Most of them are to the right of Reagan anyway.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:45 PM

12. I am a proud liberal. Those utilizing the progressive meme make me not want to be called that

 

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:34 PM

6. God forbid that anyone offer an opposing viewpoint...

to the Third Way Democrats that offer nothing but cheers, faith, and silence to their Party.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:47 PM

13. And you wonder why those spewing the name progressives are just the 1% of the party

 

because they continually insult the 99% of the party

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:48 PM

15. 99% of the party want cuts to SS benefits?

thanks for the update. I never to tune into Fox "News" but now I think I know what they're telling their zombies.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:49 PM

16. If that is true...

We are screwed as a Party. But you have the right to believe what you want...

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Response to kentuck (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:55 PM

17. See Lincoln the movie. And if you see Les Miz-Valjean would be Obama. We won the revolution in 2008

 

there is no need for a different revolution

you gotta let things work the way they work in dealing with the environment one is in

It is far better to pick off republicans than to lose to the republicantealibertarians

as I said-
you plant a redwood seed(2008)it takes many, many years or decades for the fillfullment of the majestic redwood to be seen by all (ala the 9 step ahead plan)

as Lincoln showed, giving up somethings in name only, to get a far greater better is the way to go

even better is showing the public how bad the other side is

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:03 PM

18. Even a hint of cutting Social Security or Medicare brings out the aged, Progressive or Conservative

I don't think of those so much as progressive issues but more age related issues and when the old, who vote in droves, are riled politicians of both Parties (to the extent there are two Parties) hop to attention.

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