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Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:49 PM

Obama Sticks To His Guns

AP: Obama Not Making New Cliff Offer

The AP reported Friday afternoon that President Obama is not offering a new deal to avert the fiscal cliff during a meeting with congressional leaders at the White House. This comes in contrast to reports from Friday morning that Obama would offer up a new, scaled-back offer.

Obama instead is spelling out again a plan he says can pass the House and Senate, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was unauthorized to speak publicly about the private meeting.

Obama wants a bill to halt looming tax increases on all families making $250,000 a year or less and would extend unemployment insurance to many people about to lose it. His proposal would also cover other issues as the Jan. 1 deadline nears.

If he does not get a counter proposal that can pass both chambers, Obama will press for a straight up-or-down vote on his idea, the source said.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ap-obama-not-making-new-cliff-offer?ref=fpa

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Reply Obama Sticks To His Guns (Original post)
arely staircase Dec 2012 OP
bluerum Dec 2012 #1
arely staircase Dec 2012 #2
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #13
arely staircase Dec 2012 #14
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #20
arely staircase Dec 2012 #29
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #42
arely staircase Dec 2012 #44
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #45
SugarShack Dec 2012 #3
woo me with science Dec 2012 #4
arely staircase Dec 2012 #6
riqster Dec 2012 #27
arely staircase Dec 2012 #32
BlueNoteSpecial Dec 2012 #33
SidDithers Dec 2012 #34
SidDithers Dec 2012 #12
dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #5
arely staircase Dec 2012 #8
Skittles Dec 2012 #17
arely staircase Dec 2012 #19
Skittles Dec 2012 #24
arely staircase Dec 2012 #25
Skittles Dec 2012 #26
Lordquinton Dec 2012 #35
arely staircase Dec 2012 #36
Lordquinton Dec 2012 #37
arely staircase Dec 2012 #38
Lordquinton Dec 2012 #39
arely staircase Dec 2012 #43
DevonRex Dec 2012 #22
Skittles Dec 2012 #23
madokie Dec 2012 #7
arely staircase Dec 2012 #9
libdem4life Dec 2012 #10
cui bono Dec 2012 #11
SoCalDem Dec 2012 #18
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #21
Cha Dec 2012 #15
arely staircase Dec 2012 #16
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #28
freshwest Dec 2012 #30
arely staircase Dec 2012 #31
Liberalynn Dec 2012 #40
arely staircase Dec 2012 #41

Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:51 PM

1. Interesting choice of words.

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Response to bluerum (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:53 PM

2. Headline from front page of TPM

take it up with Josh Marshal

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:10 PM

13. It appears TPM wisely changed the headline

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:14 PM

14. no they didn't

Obama Sticks to his Guns is on the front page.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

When you click into that you get the other headline.

I posted both - just like the original source.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:20 PM

20. I see. Well, it is just a figure of speech

Last edited Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:16 AM - Edit history (1)

Nobody needs to get hypersensitive about that.

I'm more interested in the substance. It seems clear to me that Obama understands that Boehner can't do anything until Jan 3 and Obama is just posturing at this point to make sure the imagery doesn't make it look like Obama is the cause.

My guess is that they are trying to come up with a laundry list of points they can push on January 4. Obama will position this as a special emergency, and on that basis, Boehner will suspend the "Hastert rule" just this once, thereby bypassing the teabaggers without shoving it in their faces any more than is necessary.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:55 PM

29. you think boner will get re-elected?

i figure he will but i am not positive.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:07 PM

42. Yes. It is an old boy's club. These press conferences are just for our entainment.

Obama would rather deal with Boehner than anybody else in the House. The teabaggers don't have enough members to upend Boehner. So Obama is greasing the skids for the old boys to carry on business as usual. You and I don't mean anything to these people.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:58 PM

44. i don't know

there are some pretty unhappy teabaggers.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #44)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:06 PM

45. But there are only about 80 real teabaggers.

The rest are just unprincipled cowards who are afraid of being "primaried" on their right. But they sure do want a teabagger as their leader. I think the teabaggers come up at least 20 votes short.

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Response to bluerum (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:55 PM

3. sure is, because we need a vote to see how they are voting, then hold them accountable for it.

 

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Response to bluerum (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:56 PM

4. +1 No kidding.


Democratic-controlled US Senate approves...new $633 billion war bill
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022060449

Purposely aiming bombs at children: "It kind of opens our aperture."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021931748

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702

The Enemy Expatriation Act - another attack on legitimate protest and dissent like NDAA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022072450

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022061578

NDAA 2013 - Indefinite detention without trial is back
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014342985

Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014348022

Obama Administration To Offer More Than 20 Million Acres in Western Gulf of Mexico for Oil/Drilling
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1896005

Obama's (Corporate) Education Reform Push is Bad Education Policy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x221922

Trans Pacific Partnership is NAFTA On Steroids
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1914478

NYT slams the government for choosing not to prosecute HSBC top-bankers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965407

Why is Social Security Under Attack from Obama, when it ADDS NOTHING to the deficit???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022065493

Obama: "Too many of us have been interested in defending programs as written in 1938."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2069607

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:59 PM

6. did you get lost on the way to some other thread?

or do you just post random anti-obama argle bargle at whim and regardless of the topic?

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:30 PM

27. It was cut and pasted onto one of my threads, too

Spam by any other name....

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Response to riqster (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:20 PM

32. still stinks up the place

eom

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:36 PM

33. "Woo me w/ repetition/tedium

You earned it.

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Response to riqster (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:38 PM

34. Cut and pasted 9 times. But only 8 were today...



Sid

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:06 PM

12. CTRL-V for Victory!!...nt

Sid

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Response to bluerum (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:59 PM

5. Sadly misplaced choice of words

given events of late.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:00 PM

8. the event in question is obama kicking boner's ass

no more no less

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:17 PM

17. kicking ass does not require guns

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:20 PM

19. metaphor

noun
1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in A mighty fortress is our God. Compare mixed metaphor, simile ( def 1 ) .
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.

glad to help

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:24 PM

24. I know what a metaphor is; I am not an idiot

I'm just saying you do not need weapons to kick ass

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Response to Skittles (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:26 PM

25. there is no literal ass kicking nor guns

so your post makes no sense.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:27 PM

26. omg

done here

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:18 PM

35. And this is a poorly placed one

it's like defending the republican cartoons depicting Obama as a monkey. Sure there are similarities, and bush was depicted as a chimp often enough, but there is a reason we don't tolerate it.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:20 PM

36. and you have just written a poor simile

often confused with the metaphor.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:23 PM

37. and you are moving the goal posts

What I wrote was a direct comparison, both are viable, and appropriate metaphors, however given historical context, they are wildly inappropriate. Do you have any counter to this? or are you going to dodge the issue again?

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:27 PM

38. yes you compared two things

the age old figure of speech "sticking to one's guns"

and racist black man/monkey allusions from tea baggers.

it needs work, to say the least. and yours wasn't a metaphore, it was a simile (regardless of its quality.)

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:39 PM

39. Didn't say it was one

I said that both metaphors were inappropriate given the context, can't take one out of context but not another. Regardless, the issue at hand is that the President is (apparently) not letting the reps just have everything, and anything they want, I hope he takes it further than that and proposes a new deal with less concessions than the previous and loudly makes them counter it with proposals.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 08:34 AM

43. on your last point

we agree.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:22 PM

22. It is TPM's headline on their front page. Not Obama's word choice or the OP's. nt

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:23 PM

23. I know that

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:00 PM

7. Thats the man I voted for

He's gone out of his way to let people see what the republiCONs agenda is and people are waking up to it as his re-election indicates.
RepubliCON agenda is do anything it takes to make sure this black man is not seen as a success at whatever cost there is, this has to be done. They've been working on this since election day '08.

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Response to madokie (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:04 PM

9. exactly!

eom

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:05 PM

10. Great !! Next Fox headline..."Obama has guns, yet wants to take ours away"

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:06 PM

11. I'm unclear on what he's sticking to...

is the Chained CPI SS offer still in there? Is there somewhere we can see just what he's offering at this time?

I see $250,000 which I believe was from an early offer so I'm hoping he's gone back to that and taken SS off the table. Is there confirmation of this?

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Response to cui bono (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:17 PM

18. Once the "cliff/curb/speed-bump" has been crossed, all things are negotiable

things like the cpi.

That's the quirky part of our system..laws are never REALLY "permanent" laws.. They can (and do) change things and make the changes retroactive if they like..

What needs to happen is for us to somehow hold onto the senate & perhaps challenge ....really challenge.. some of the odd-duck republican congresspeople..in '14.. The last 2 years of this administration could actually get something gone if that happens..

If we lose the senate and they also keep the house.. we are toasted, butter-side-down.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:22 PM

21. I don't think we'll see the real list until after Boehner is re-elected Speaker on Jan 3.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:14 PM

15. Thank you arely staircase..

It totally does "come in contrast to earlier reports of a new, scaled back offer".

Wonder who pulled that outta their ass?

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Response to Cha (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:16 PM

16. don't know but that ass is like a clown car at the circus

the clowns just keep piling out.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:34 PM

28. +1, n/t

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:59 PM

30. Media jobs pay airheads very well, so it won't stop anytime soon.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:07 PM

31. theoretically the 24 hour news cycle should give us

hours of in-depth analysis and investigation. instead it, well you know....

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:47 PM

40. I saw ABC News

and they said we are likely to get just a bill on the tax issues and leave the spending cut talk until after the new Congress is seated. So does this mean the Chained CPI nonsense is at least off the table until then or is that part of the plan Obama thinks can pass Congress? I am hoping ABC is right and it is just going to be on extending the tax cuts to middle income families. Also I also hope it includes extending unemployment benefits. As far as cuts are concerned though the longer those discussions are put off the better. That way we have more time to rally against Chained CPI.

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:54 PM

41. i am with you on all of that

eom

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