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Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:44 AM


No Glory, No Spoils, No Closure – The Double Whammy of Rip-off Wars

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For those here who really care about our endless wars and loss of rights ...a well worth read IMO.


<>When outcomes are set against costs, would not every payoff-to-price ratio indict our Asian land wars as absurd, if not obscene, devoid of socially-redeeming value? You’d think by now anti-war rage would defy the yet-to-be-rejected, neo-con mindset of shoot-first, ask-questions-later belligerence. Widely perceived as continuing crusades against Muslim populations, these wars send “messages to evil-doers” all right, but they only wither our prestige, fuel a generation of anti-American fury and taint our national soul. These wars are qualitatively not our parents’ war, and the deviation reeks.

<>What war of choice (that is, all of them) since Vietnam doesn’t felt creepy within months of the first wave? After bombing some unfortified nation into submission, we then sit tight, inviting ambushes as conditions disintegrate. Is that a plan or insanity? The Iraq war eviscerated any old war cries of “no guts, no glory:” for without heroism, losing your guts or legs becomes a nightmarish joke, with a delayed stinger that impoverishes the next generation. All that John Wayne soldiering withers when there’s no glory or spoils, vindication or closure. A reincarnated Frank Capra, whose WWII film cheered on “Why we fight,” must re-title, something like “Why war sucks” because no one wins anymore and the gross enterprise stinks.

<>Though W. dared justify Iraq in terms of “freedom and democracy,” he was too insular, plaint or oblivious to realize this meme had lost all credibility, a sitting duck of a failed Big Lie that redounded against him. Marking a profound shift, we no longer expect to win wars, just batter enemies “over there” and sustain some fabricated status quo delusion. In one sense, wars of empire are about freedom, the arrogant capability to freely attack because we can. Who needs a “new birth of freedom” when Washington already has free global reign?

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:56 AM

1. Well said

As Marx pointed out, it is the common person that fights the wars for the wealthy. Let's keep that military-industrial complex chugging along, and since we have all these marvelous war toys, well, we have to use them, don't we?

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Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:03 AM

2. "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and


applying the wrong remedies."

-- Groucho Marx

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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:29 PM

5. Nations have recently been led to borrow billions for war;


no nation has ever borrowed largely for education. Probably, no nation is rich enough to pay for both war and civilization. We must make our choice; we cannot have both. - Abraham Flexner

We've made our choice.

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