Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:38 AM
Playinghardball (11,543 posts)
AP: Republicans showing 'a willingness to bend' on taxes, immigration and guns
A most hilarious article from AP:
For years, Republicans have adhered fiercely to their bedrock conservative principles, resisting Democratic calls for tax hikes, comprehensive immigration reform and gun control. Now, seven weeks after an electoral drubbing, some party leaders and rank-and-file alike are signaling a willingness to bend on all three issues.
What long has been a nonstarter for Republicans — raising tax rates on wealthy Americans — is now backed by GOP House Speaker John Boehner in his negotiations with President Barack Obama to avert a potential fiscal crisis. Party luminaries, including Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, have started calling for a wholesale shift in the GOP's approach to immigration after Hispanic voters shunned Republican candidates. And some Republicans who previously championed gun rights now are opening the door to restrictions following a schoolhouse shooting spree earlier this month.
I don't know if this is wishful thinking or willful ignorance, but however you look at it, the notion that Republicans are signaling some sort of newfound willingness to compromise is just nonsense.
On taxes, John Boehner hasn't endorsed raising taxes. Instead, he's said Republicans should be willing to cut taxes on income below $1 million without simultaneously cutting taxes on income above $1 million. You could argue he's changed the threshold at which Republicans will hold tax cuts hostage, but that's not the same thing as supporting tax hikes. Despite the modesty of Boehner's tax cut plan, House Republicans were so furious that he couldn't even bring it to a vote. If that signals a willingness to bend, Lord help us all.
On immigration, Bobby Jindal hasn't suddenly become the poster-child for reform. It's true he did say that Republicans had made "offensive" and "bizarre" comments on immigration and other issues during the campaign, but he didn't embrace an overhaul of immigration policies.
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AP: Republicans showing 'a willingness to bend' on taxes, immigration and guns (Original post)
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:44 AM
randome (29,806 posts)
1. There are cracks in the wall but I agree, it's too soon to say with certainty.
I do think eventually some reasonable Republicans (written with irony) will abandon their party and vote with Democrats on some of these issues.
The Tea Party faction (it's not even a proper 'party') is causing too much friction from the inside.
Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #2)
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:21 PM
hfojvt (37,134 posts)
5. I keep saying, look at it this way
On January 1, the Bush tax cuts expire - all of them.
Let that happen, and now look at Boehner's bill.
Suddenly it is not a tax increase - it is a tax cut. It's a $3.7 trillion tax cut over the next ten years.
And who gets most of the benefits of that tax cut?
Obama's original proposal was a $2.6 trillion tax cut, and even in THAT proposal, the RICHEST 20% got over 40% of the benefits, and the top 1% gets $40 billion a year or $400 billion + for ten years. Obama offered another $200 billion in tax cuts for people with incomes over $250,000, by raising the ceiling to $400,000. Boehner's proposal was another $850 billion in tax cuts - with that whole $850 billion going to people with incomes over $400,000.
So with his plan B, Boehner was basically proposing almost $1.5 trillion in tax CUTS for the top 1-2%. Those tax CUTS completely dwarf the $338 billion in tax increases that he was proposing.
Now, he proposes those cuts before the Bush tax cuts expire and the foolish media portray them as tax increases. Let the Bush tax cuts expire and show his proposal for what it really is - a huge tax CUT for the rich.
Republicans did not accept it, because their masters at Heritage and Cato think they can get even more.
OR they think they can get the same deal - only with Obama and the Democratic Party's name on it.
My fear is that they are right in their optimism. When the dust finally settles, the rich will get many more years of tax CUTS.
Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:10 PM
BeyondGeography (27,075 posts)
4. Ezra Klein was taking apart this "both sides do it" MSM addiction last night
Obama has made 75% of the movement on fiscal cliff talks. The MSM will NEVER call the thugs out on their extremism. It's a problem.