Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:23 PM

PeaceNikki (19,259 posts)

If only she had been armed and trained...

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/184951501.html

Husband charged in murder of Wauwatosa Police officer

MILWAUKEE - The Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office filed one count of First Degree Intentional Homicide against Benjamin Sebena in the murder of his wife, Wauwatosa Police officer Jennifer Sebena, early Christmas Eve morning.

Sebena, 30, appeared in court Thursday and bail was set at $1 million.

According to a criminal complaint, Sebena admitted to "stalking his wife for several days" because "he had been jealous of other men with regards to his wife."

On December 24th, he "laid in wait for her in the area of . He waited for several hours."

"On seeing her squad car, he came up and began to shoot her after she emerged from her break in the fire department. He said she moved like she was reaching for her firearm. He then took her gun from her holster. He then shot her in the face with her service weapon three or four times. "

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If only she had been armed and trained... (Original post)	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	OP
OK Skinner, after your amnesty allowing RKBA topics in GD and seeing the trash it produces I agree	jody	Dec 2012	#1
Your concern is noted, jody.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#3
I was hoping the amnesty to post in GD about Newtown...	Chan790	Dec 2012	#7
Please post your personal definition of "faux-Dem gunnutters". nt	jody	Dec 2012	#10
I think that one is self-evident.	Chan790	Dec 2012	#22
What is an "extremist-views on RKBA"	Indydem	Dec 2012	#38
Pretty simple really: Insistence on no/minimal regulation;	TheMadMonk	Dec 2012	#85
"yo mama" trash talk doesn't bother me. Just trying to determine if you are one of the latest	jody	Dec 2012	#51
I see you upset a few here. Thank you.	hrmjustin	Dec 2012	#75
Quite simple... anyone that doesn't agree <username>	whistler162	Dec 2012	#44
whistler162 I never cease to be amazed at the eloquence of simplicity. We teach children to read,	jody	Dec 2012	#61
Perhaps you should learn what the party supports.	Indydem	Dec 2012	#19
You forgot the rest...	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#20
That does not include:	Indydem	Dec 2012	#23
Did I fucking say any of those things?	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#25
Not directly, perhaps.	Indydem	Dec 2012	#28
Wow... you gun owners are paranoid.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#30
Then what is the solution?	Indydem	Dec 2012	#32
I don't recall claiming to have a solution. Please show me where I have.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#35
"decrease availability of firearms"	Indydem	Dec 2012	#39
Grab 'em, son!!	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#40
Yes. To people like this:	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#42
This message was self-deleted by its author	Indydem	Dec 2012	#31
he shot her with his own gun first	TorchTheWitch	Dec 2012	#52
so now you're just making up shit? the vast majority here are for sensibly increasing gun regulation	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#77
Glue on ya dude	shintao	Dec 2012	#49
PeaceNikki, please accept my apology. I reached my frustration limit, something triggered it.	jody	Dec 2012	#21
I get that you're pissed that every shooting is being lauded as a statement for gun control.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#27
PeaceNikki I'm a vet, work out ever day with friends who are vets including one from Pearl Harbor,	jody	Dec 2012	#36
What does your post have to do with the OP?	Control-Z	Dec 2012	#5
Mea culpa, perhaps only DU regulars in the Gun Control & RKBA (Group) understand. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#8
That's a non-answer.	Chorophyll	Dec 2012	#14
That's all I have to say about that. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#16
good. you should do that more.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#17
Works for me.	Chorophyll	Dec 2012	#18
nothing	TorchTheWitch	Dec 2012	#54
What do we need to know about the topic other than	Chorophyll	Dec 2012	#13
Before Skinner's amnesty OP would have been exiled and ostracized to the Gun Control & RKBA (Group).	jody	Dec 2012	#26
But... so it's here in GD and you're commenting on it.	Chorophyll	Dec 2012	#33
See #36 nt	jody	Dec 2012	#37
Saw it. Thank you for your service.	Chorophyll	Dec 2012	#43
The problem was the 'headline' I chose.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#45
"They're scared"! Not in the least. I compete at the national/world level with those from the	jody	Dec 2012	#56
Yup, but I would clarify by stating that every gun death IS a case for gun control.	tledford	Dec 2012	#69
Thanks and to repeat, I don't have a problem with the OP, just that it would be banished to	jody	Dec 2012	#47
Where it would be buried. Time to quit burying things NRA finds "offensive."	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#53
We should know that a month ago another cop knew he had held a gun to her head	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#55
Wow. This story is really a chain of failure.	Chorophyll	Dec 2012	#67
Too many times it's like this. The Aurora Theater killers shrink suspected Holmes was dangerous	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#68
oh lord, you're just embarrassing yourself now.	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#72
I am going to respectfully point out that the only thing you have to know about guns,	PDJane	Dec 2012	#2
Absolutely True.	Paladin	Dec 2012	#12
It's the NRA	bongbong	Dec 2012	#57
We Need To Spread The Word About The ATF Vacancy.	Paladin	Dec 2012	#62
Thank you PDJane	sanatanadharma	Dec 2012	#80
:(	reteachinwi	Dec 2012	#4
Honestly, there are several points to be had from this story:	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#6
There is a direct connection between domestic violence and many, many gun deaths	Chorophyll	Dec 2012	#9
Oh, I know. I know. Here in SE WI, we've had 2 mass shootings this year. Both vets. One was DV.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#11
Ugh. So many issues to be addressed.	Chorophyll	Dec 2012	#15
Had to go to WTMJ	reteachinwi	Dec 2012	#48
That shooting went down about a 1/2 mile from my room "in town".	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#24
And IN my hometown. My K-8 school was in the news footage.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#29
And I think he and I may have both attended the same psych-trauma clinic.	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#41
what is with that church and it's men only "No Regrets" conference?	TorchTheWitch	Dec 2012	#58
It's a large non-denominational megachurch.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#60
I only saw the bits of it on local tv news. The link up above doesn't give access	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#63
Dang	the antigun	Dec 2012	#34
"the only thing..."	Enrique	Dec 2012	#46
DAMMIT! Seems she told another officer her killer had threatened her	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#50
It's really, really hard to do anything about a threat like that	MH1	Dec 2012	#79
Well I think in WI it can be construed as a Class H felony	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#84
Having a gun is not a guarantee that you will be able to win the fight.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#59
Not having a gun may guarantee you will lose the fight. Don't carry a spare tire if you don't care	jody	Dec 2012	#64
Yes, a gun is JUST like a spare tire...	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#65
Sometimes the ability to kill is necessary.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#70
Had an experience where three males with suspicious actions approached my car. Window down and a	jody	Dec 2012	#71
To those familiar with it, very distinctive indeed. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#74
Police here in Wauwatosa wear bullet resistant vests.	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#66
I am sick of the gunhadis always hiding behind that false dichotomy	Taverner	Dec 2012	#73
Also, an argument against an all-but-cops gun ban.	Deep13	Dec 2012	#76
um....He shot her with his gun first.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#78
I'm not suggesting you did.	Deep13	Dec 2012	#81
OK, but he still shot her with HIS gun first.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#82
Exactly. This is an all or why bother proposition. Disarm the nation including the police,	Egalitarian Thug	Dec 2012	#83

Response to PeaceNikki (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:42 PM

jody (26,624 posts)

1. OK Skinner, after your amnesty allowing RKBA topics in GD and seeing the trash it produces I agree

with putting them in the Gun Control & RKBA (Group).

However, the Sandy Hook Tragedy has generated thousands of posts from DUers who know zero about the topic.

When you and the admins discuss this topic, which will be super-hot when the next Democratic Party Platform is written, please consider ways to acknowledge its importance as one of the most divisive, polarizing political issues that divide voters and even we Democrats.

We DUers who regularly post in the Gun Control & RKBA (Group) may not be able to help find solutions to the problem but as a minimum we can help reduce ignorance about it.

If only she had been armed and trained...

1. OK Skinner, after your amnesty allowing RKBA topics in GD and seeing the trash it produces I agree

3. Your concern is noted, jody.

7. I was hoping the amnesty to post in GD about Newtown...

10. Please post your personal definition of "faux-Dem gunnutters". nt

22. I think that one is self-evident.

38. What is an "extremist-views on RKBA"

85. Pretty simple really: Insistence on no/minimal regulation;

51. "yo mama" trash talk doesn't bother me. Just trying to determine if you are one of the latest

75. I see you upset a few here. Thank you.

44. Quite simple... anyone that doesn't agree <username>

61. whistler162 I never cease to be amazed at the eloquence of simplicity. We teach children to read,

19. Perhaps you should learn what the party supports.

20. You forgot the rest...

23. That does not include:

25. Did *I* fucking say any of those things?

28. Not directly, perhaps.

30. Wow... you gun owners *are* paranoid.

32. Then what is the solution?

35. I don't recall claiming to have a solution. Please show me where I have.

39. "decrease availability of firearms"

40. Grab 'em, son!!

42. Yes. To people like this:

52. he shot her with his own gun first

77. so now you're just making up shit? the vast majority here are for sensibly increasing gun regulation

49. Glue on ya dude

21. PeaceNikki, please accept my apology. I reached my frustration limit, something triggered it.

27. I get that you're pissed that every shooting is being lauded as a statement for gun control.

36. PeaceNikki I'm a vet, work out ever day with friends who are vets including one from Pearl Harbor,

5. What does your post have to do with the OP?

8. Mea culpa, perhaps only DU regulars in the Gun Control & RKBA (Group) understand. nt

14. That's a non-answer.

16. That's all I have to say about that. nt

17. good. you should do that more.

18. Works for me.

54. nothing

13. What do we need to know about the topic other than

26. Before Skinner's amnesty OP would have been exiled and ostracized to the Gun Control & RKBA (Group).

33. But... so it's here in GD and you're commenting on it.

37. See #36 nt

43. Saw it. Thank you for your service.

45. The problem was the 'headline' I chose.

56. "They're scared"! Not in the least. I compete at the national/world level with those from the

69. Yup, but I would clarify by stating that every gun death *IS* a case for gun control.

47. Thanks and to repeat, I don't have a problem with the OP, just that it would be banished to

53. Where it would be buried. Time to quit burying things NRA finds "offensive."

55. We should know that a month ago another cop knew he had held a gun to her head

67. Wow. This story is really a chain of failure.

68. Too many times it's like this. The Aurora Theater killers shrink suspected Holmes was dangerous

72. oh lord, you're just embarrassing yourself now.

2. I am going to respectfully point out that the only thing you have to know about guns,

12. Absolutely True.

57. It's the NRA

62. We Need To Spread The Word About The ATF Vacancy.

80. Thank you PDJane

4. :(

6. Honestly, there are several points to be had from this story:

9. There is a direct connection between domestic violence and many, many gun deaths

11. Oh, I know. I know. Here in SE WI, we've had 2 mass shootings this year. Both vets. One was DV.

15. Ugh. So many issues to be addressed.

48. Had to go to WTMJ

24. That shooting went down about a 1/2 mile from my room "in town".

29. And *IN* my hometown. My K-8 school was in the news footage.

41. And I think he and I may have both attended the same psych-trauma clinic.

58. what is with that church and it's men only "No Regrets" conference?

60. It's a large non-denominational megachurch.

63. I only saw the bits of it on local tv news. The link up above doesn't give access

34. Dang

46. "the only thing..."

50. DAMMIT! Seems she told another officer her killer had threatened her

79. It's really, really hard to do anything about a threat like that

84. Well I think in WI it can be construed as a Class H felony

59. Having a gun is not a guarantee that you will be able to win the fight.

64. Not having a gun may guarantee you will lose the fight. Don't carry a spare tire if you don't care

65. Yes, a gun is JUST like a spare tire...

70. Sometimes the ability to kill is necessary.

71. Had an experience where three males with suspicious actions approached my car. Window down and a

74. To those familiar with it, very distinctive indeed. N/T

66. Police here in Wauwatosa wear bullet resistant vests.

73. I am sick of the gunhadis always hiding behind that false dichotomy

25. Did I fucking say any of those things?

30. Wow... you gun owners are paranoid.

69. Yup, but I would clarify by stating that every gun death IS a case for gun control.

29. And IN my hometown. My K-8 school was in the news footage.