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Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:21 AM

George Bush

Before he is canonized as "A Great American" I would like to say - born with silver spoon in mouth, Iran Contra, Barbara and terrible DNA!

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searchingforlight Dec 2012 OP
Javaman Dec 2012 #1
lonestarnot Dec 2012 #2
Botany Dec 2012 #3
Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #4
Botany Dec 2012 #6
rtassi Dec 2012 #14
lexw Dec 2012 #23
SugarShack Dec 2012 #39
SugarShack Dec 2012 #49
sellitman Dec 2012 #67
madokie Dec 2012 #69
Overseas Dec 2012 #73
elfin Dec 2012 #5
irisblue Dec 2012 #13
Rex Dec 2012 #7
DemoTex Dec 2012 #8
malaise Dec 2012 #9
slumdoggandu Dec 2012 #18
hifiguy Dec 2012 #74
malaise Dec 2012 #75
pansypoo53219 Dec 2012 #10
Happyhippychick Dec 2012 #11
rtassi Dec 2012 #15
sheshe2 Dec 2012 #17
GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #27
Mustellus Dec 2012 #12
Myrina Dec 2012 #16
silhouete2 Dec 2012 #19
12AngryBorneoWildmen Dec 2012 #20
DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #21
silhouete2 Dec 2012 #31
Thor_MN Dec 2012 #44
silhouete2 Dec 2012 #45
Thor_MN Dec 2012 #54
silhouete2 Dec 2012 #56
Thor_MN Dec 2012 #72
lark Dec 2012 #22
silhouete2 Dec 2012 #30
demwing Dec 2012 #38
silhouete2 Dec 2012 #43
demwing Dec 2012 #62
Awknid Dec 2012 #41
silhouete2 Dec 2012 #47
Awknid Dec 2012 #48
silhouete2 Dec 2012 #57
HangOnKids Dec 2012 #59
silhouete2 Dec 2012 #60
demwing Dec 2012 #63
silhouete2 Dec 2012 #64
demwing Dec 2012 #65
HangOnKids Dec 2012 #68
zeemike Dec 2012 #26
eggplant Dec 2012 #29
silhouete2 Dec 2012 #32
eggplant Dec 2012 #78
NoGOPZone Dec 2012 #33
Stainless Dec 2012 #50
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #76
deutsey Dec 2012 #77
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #24
RedstDem Dec 2012 #25
chuckstevens Dec 2012 #28
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #71
lunatica Dec 2012 #34
Rain Mcloud Dec 2012 #37
Awknid Dec 2012 #52
lunatica Dec 2012 #55
leveymg Dec 2012 #61
riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #66
leveymg Dec 2012 #70
JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #35
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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:24 AM

1. Born on third base and told he hit a triple. nt

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:28 AM

2. Pappy spawned generations of criminals.

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:36 AM

3. In October of 1980 George HW Bush met w/ Iranians in Paris and told them that they ..

.... would get a better deal from Ronald Reagan if they held the hostages until after
the election.

In 2000 HW had James A Baker fly around Florida to stop the counting of legitimate
American voters' votes. Every recount after the race was called for W showed Al
Gore winning the state and if he Gore, had been allowed to take his rightful place as
President we would not have had a 9/11, a war in Afghanistan, a war in Iraq, spying,
torture, the Gulf of Mexico oil mess, Ohio 2004, the economy in a ditch, the deficit
(Clinton left a surplus), Dick Cheney and company making millions on wars and other
scams, the response to Katrina, the $ for work on the New Orleans' levies going to
Iraq, a kill of 100,000 wild run salmon because of an order by Dick Cheney, ......



HW or somebody who looks like him outside the Texas School Book Depository Nov. 22, 1963

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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:44 AM

4. George H has always said he could not remember where he was

when Kennedy was shot
the only American that says this


OT: did you mean 1980 in your title??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:51 AM

6. Thanx ..... so many HW "things" the dates run together

Remember HW got real emotional @ Gerry Ford's funeral about reopening
the JFK shooting.

BTW Don't forget HW was good friends with the John Hinkley's family too.

One time is random chance, 2 times it is bad luck, but 3 times and you start
to see a pattern.

Hell, HW's dad wanted a right coup to take over America and throw FDR from
power and he made his $ dealing w/ Hitler.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:11 PM

14. Actually, Nixon was never pinned down either ...

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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:49 PM

23. That distant shot sure does look like his stance. You can almost hear his nasal voice.

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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:19 PM

39. Inside Iran Contra - Conspiracy of Silence - Regan/Bush cover up of pedophilia penn state style

 

Documentary


Newsprint:
http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&rlz=1G1LENDCENUS492&biw=1069&bih=725&tbm=isch&tbnid=t3HfcHS9As0fcM:&imgrefurl=http://www.ccrg.info/franklin-cover-up.htm&docid=M1eV72UImwVZtM&imgurl=&w=500&h=300&ei=7J7cUO2oIYHg8wTC8oHABw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=2&vpy=137&dur=3936&hovh=174&hovw=290&tx=199&ty=196&sig=105032988973692270092&page=1&tbnh=143&tbnw=238&start=0&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i1

Book by Senator John DeCamp (R) NE
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/franklincoverupexcerpt.shtml

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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:49 PM

49. After all he was head of the CIA, although he denied it for years.

 

He's dispicable!

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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:53 PM

67. i dont know where I've been.

I've never seen those pictures of HW and the Text Book Repository. Sure looks like him. Wow!

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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:00 PM

69. Today that hat sure doesn't look like poppy to me

all these years I thought that was a photo of him but after looking at it today I no longer think that. Hair is different, head shape is different nose is different chin is different lips are different. Not poppy would be my vote

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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:37 PM

73. K&R. Well said.

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:48 AM

5. A "patrician" who thought he was competent to be Pres.

Wanted it to fulfill family history and expectations (sound familiar?), but paved the country he fought for (some historical questions about his true record here), on its road to unnecessary war and eventual monstrous debt via the worst of his progeny.

The ONLY thing he displayed any real courage about IMO was to buck his party and his promise about taxes to keep us on a better economic footing. Apparently a genial, family loving guy,and enough pleasant qualities and good manners to forge a friendship with the Big Dog.

His punishment has already happened to some degree with his long goodbye, surrounded by his harridan wife and mostly loser kids. Don't know enough about Doro and Marvin to put them in the same poop basket as GW and Jeb and crook Neil. He has also witnessed his country club, fairly moderate ( by present standards) and blandly mannered Republican Party turned into an ill informed, virulently bigoted, loony bin beginning with his horrible Lee Atwater tactics, which metasacized into something even he must cringe at.

I hope he makes it into 2013, just for the estate tax implications, but I bet the greedy family pulls his plugs before that.

I predict Clinton will produce an explosion of outrage on this board by an effusive eulogy.

He must have pneumonia,without any public affirmation of that. He has provided plenty of time for the lengthy histories and obits - just hope they include his nasty spook experience among other less than "patrician" qualities.

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Response to elfin (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:08 PM

13. ^^^this is true^^^ n/t

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:53 AM

7. One of the worst POTUS in American history.

Only outdone by his hellspawn son.

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:58 AM

8. 11/22/63

What does he know and when did he know it?

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:39 PM

9. Poor George!!!

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Response to malaise (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:34 PM

18. Classic!

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Response to malaise (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:13 PM

74. To this day I think Ann's great friend

Molly Ivins gave her that 100-megaton zinger.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #74)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:27 PM

75. Funny I was reading Molly earlier today

after I listened to Ann's full speech at that convention - I miss Molly!!!

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:51 PM

10. he did serve during WW2 tho.

but the is his spawn. + the rest of his spawn.

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:01 PM

11. His sperm was a weapon of mass destruction

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:13 PM

15. score!

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:20 PM

17. Let's not forget where the eggs came from..




What a Bitch!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:56 PM

27. Wasn't she in the first Alien movie?

Or the more recent one?

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:02 PM

12. But by comparison, he shines....

Although another data point showing that Social Darwinism is false. The kids usually turn out to be wastrels.

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:16 PM

16. "Born with a silver spoon up his ass" is more like it.

n/t

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:35 PM

19. Whether you agree with his politics or not

he is still a human being. And to say that becuase he was born with a "silver spooin in his mouth" and was involved with Iran Contra--doesn't mean he isn't a great American who cares about this country. What does his wife or his "terrible DNA" have to do with anything?

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:41 PM

20. Gimme a break. eom

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:44 PM

21. "a great American who cares about his country"?

How in the hell can you use that phrase in context with GHWB?

If every poor person in America died tomorrow, all he would bemoan would be the loss of cheap labor.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:06 PM

31. So you can read his mind now

Is that it/ You know for a fact what he thinks TODAY about anything? I seriously doubt it. Once again--ALL POLITICIANS say and do things that are in violation of human rights and dignity--even (SHOCKER to some people) Democrats.

Judge him all you want--your right. But I also have th right to call it like I see it--and I see people around here acting in poor taste about a man who--whether you agreed with him or not--served this country in many ways. He is still a human being.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:29 PM

44. Yes, you are free to call him a great American, but you won't find many that agree with you.

GHWB did actually serve his country in combat, unlike his son. As Presidents, both were abject failures for the people, although they did well for the 1%. For the majority, they actively worked against their best interests.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #44)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:31 PM

45. I didn't come up with the Great American thing

I was purely responding to what someone said in the original post. I merely asked how people don't know he is a great American. That's all I said. But then again--many, many politicians on either side of the aisle have worked for the best interests of the minority--so how is Bush any different?

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:07 PM

54. You tried to argue that he was.

"And to say that becuase he was born with a "silver spooin in his mouth" and was involved with Iran Contra--doesn't mean he isn't a great American who cares about this country."

Implies that you believe that he is a great American.


"many, many politicians on either side of the aisle have worked for the best interests of the minority--so how is Bush any different? "

Are you actually going to argue that he isn't that bad because there have been other shitty politicians? This thread is not about bad politicians. It is about Bush being a crappy president, and in general, a bad person.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #54)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:22 PM

56. No but you can pretend that I "implied" that

I was merely using the words of the original poster. I never said I THINK he is a great American. I was making an argument for the other side of the statement. I know what this thread is about--and I'm using evidence to say that just because YOU think he was a shitty person/politician--there are others the same. What YOU don't seem to like--and I'm starting to see this trend on DU--is if someone has a differing opinion--you guys come at them full bore and are mean about it. Why can't we have a DISCUSSION about it--like mature adults--instead of you dismissing what I think--and telling me I have no business saying it on this thread? I thought coming on here was so we could discuss things like civil adults but I guess I was wrong. SO much for that. I suppose I was mistaken about this site. I thought it was a place where we could discuss things--but it just seems like all other places--from both sides of the aisle--the whole I"m right/Your're wrong thing. Well good luck with that. I'm not in the mood.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #56)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:09 PM

72. I told you nicely that it's fine to have your opinion, but you won't find much support

for your arguments that GHWB was a great American. Yes, you used the wording of the OP, but you choose to take them and argue FOR the idea that he was. No pretending needed. You phrased it in the reverse, but that doesn't change the meaning. People on this board are pretty much of the opinion that he is, in general, an evil person. There isn't much need to discuss it. If your desire is to attempt to rehabilitate his legacy, you have an uphill battle.

In no measure did I even imply that you have no business saying whatever you think. By all means, say what ever you want. All I have told you is that I think, that GHWB was a horrible president and an evil person. Apparently, you think that I should change my mind because there have been other bad politicians, he served in the military (which I acknowledged) and you hold a different opinion. Other than that, you have not offered a whole lot to support that GHWB was something other that a failure as a person and a president.

Good luck with trying to convince people otherwise.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:45 PM

22. Keeping innocent Americans locked up in Iraq

does NOT show any care about his countrymen. Getting the jailers to keep them there for an extra 30 days for his party's political convenience is pure evil and shows utter disdain for his country and it's constitutional election process. The guy is a good actor, but as head of the CIA what do you expect? He was evil, just as much as both of his sons, maybe even more so.

What I'm wondering, is why are are taking up for this Repuglican excrement of humanity? Are you that young, very misinformed or a troll?

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Response to lark (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:03 PM

30. YOUR opinion is that he is pure evil

HOwever, ALL politicians play this game. Obama has allowed unlimited detention in Guantanamo--does that make him evil? Obama has allowed drones to fly thus killing many innocent people--including chidlren. So he is evil as well--right? Please--NO POLITICIAN is perfect--or free from the stain of doing something that violates human rights. Please do not pretend that only the GOP does this. They are guilty of plenty of things--don't get me wrong-but I find it incredibly sad that people at DU and other places-are trashing Bush as an evil person--and many gleefully waiting for him to die so they can dance on his grave. It is revolting to me.

Again, you can dislike him because of his politics--but to call someone "pure evil" like Bush is pretty sad. Are we so far removed on what pure evil looks like--you know like Hitler---that we bandy that word around like taking a breath.

You all can boo me--say "Give me a break" all you want about my opinion. I think it is in poor taste to trash someone to the extent many of you are--as he probably lays on his death bed.

It's not mature.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:18 PM

38. Fuck Maturity

And does his being on a death bed suddenly wash him clean of his transgressions?

You say he's a human, but there's more to being human than having human DNA.

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Response to demwing (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:29 PM

43. Well there you go

I guess talking to you in a mature way--isn't going to work. That's fine. You can act like a child if you wish. However, you have NO idea how he feels about those past transgressions. You have NO IDEA how he feels TODAY about what he did in the past. Therefore, you sitting here judging him with this superior tone--as if you KNOW for certain he is pure evil and not a human being--is reprehensible. But like you said--F### maturity--right?

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #43)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:44 PM

62. Telling people to respect GHW Bush's humanity is an insult

you're talking to us as if we were naive children.

If that's your "maturity" - FUCK maturity.



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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:20 PM

41. He really was one of the worst

But not many people realize that. I even know an ex-oil company president from Houston who knew the Bushes personally and had nothing good to say about him. He really was not a good guy!

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Response to Awknid (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:37 PM

47. That is a person's opinion

Perhaps he has sour grapes on something that happened between him and Bush. We can't know what a person is thinking when they say what they say about people. Until you have had direct contact with the man--and can assess who he is for yourself--you are basing things on other people's opinions--and we all know that people NEVER do/say things out of spite--they only tell the absolute truth. Yes, he has done things in the past that many of us wouldn't' agree with--however ALL politicians do this kind of thing. I could argue that Obama is not a nice guy--because he continues to allow indefinite detention of prisoners at GitMo--or that he allows drones to fly killing many innocent people. It's easy to do. Does that mean Obama is evil? I don't know. My point is--we don't' really know what kind of person Bush is TODAY. Perhaps he was a rich boy asshole, but what kind of person is he today? We only have what we know about from his past to dictate who we think he is today--and that isn't right. Do I truly know how he feels about the poor today? I don't know. Neither does anyone else.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #47)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:43 PM

48. I find it interesting

That you are going to such a level to defend him. Jenna, that you?

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Response to Awknid (Reply #48)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:26 PM

57. No

But I find it interesting that if someone presents an argument from the other side-it's automatically seen as defending and that it isn't allowed here. How sad. I'm not defending Bush--what I'm pointing out is that people here are so quick to judge him as this way or that--and aren't thinking critically. You don't have to like the guy's political position--but to call him evil and not worthy of being a human--is pretty childish in my opinion. Considering the fact that the man may be on his death bed This whole--I am gleefully dancing on his grave when he dies---thing is sad. But it seems I'm in the minority on it--so be it. I guess I live in a Pollyanna world where I don't use emotions to guide my opinions--but I use logic.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #59)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:30 PM

60. Well that's nice to hear

Another one who can't act like an adult. Congratulations--you just helped me make the decision to never again post here. I'm sure that makes you very happy. Enjoy.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #60)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:45 PM

63. There's the door

don't let it hit you in the ass

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Response to demwing (Reply #63)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:48 PM

64. Oh I'm not

Don't you worry.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #57)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:49 PM

65. You are entitled to keep any opinion

you are not entitled to share any opinion.

This is not "Defend Republicans Underground," is it? Your "shock" that such a reaction might take place is a laugh. If you don't like the mood here, leave.

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Response to demwing (Reply #65)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:58 PM

68. But But But

This person is a person of honor, he/she stands up for GHWBUSH because he/she uses logic and not emotion. Here is a direct quote from them:

"Congratulations--you just helped me make the decision to never again post here."

Never post again, yet minutes later here they are posting! I'm sorry, but in my book that means a lie has been told! That is really unacceptable and totally immature. And certainly NOT logical and very emotional, just sayin'.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:55 PM

26. Hitler was a human being and so was Stalin

So let's not say anything bad about them....they were patriots too.
Any kind of crime can be overlooked like that.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:02 PM

29. Actually, *just* Iran/Contra is enough to say that he isn't a great American who cares about this...

...country.

You are correct that his wealth, his wife, and his offspring are separate issues. But he was still an asshole who repeatedly screwed over our citizens for his own political gain. Repeatedly.

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Response to eggplant (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:09 PM

32. Isn't that the definition of a politican

One who screws over our citizens for their own political gain? BOTH parties do this--look at how off the rails people went when Obama offered chained CPI as part of the fiscal cliff deal. Many people all around internetland called him a traitor. If I remember back a few years--he was being called a traitor to his party over his deals. Politicians say many great things--but then they go to DC and do what they do based on $$---even Democrats.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:41 PM

78. Are you honestly comparing Obama to Bush I?

Seriously? The false equivalency here just reeks of a bad troll.

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Response to eggplant (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:11 PM

33. you beat me to it

High treason is not something to be admired.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:53 PM

50. GHW Bush is a sub-human POS

He said that America is one nation under god and that atheists should not be considered citizens nor should they be considered patriots. I despise him and I wish him a slow painful death. I hope he lingers and I hope his spawn suffers right along with him.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:17 PM

76. Let's straighten something out right here. He is a human being.But he has never been a good American

I am disappointed that a good Democrat would say such a thing. May he rot in hell.

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Response to silhouete2 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:54 PM

77. I will not dance on his grave

but neither do I mourn his current predicament, nor will I mourn his passing.

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:50 PM

24. I have to admit I'd been cutting him some slack...

...because he looks so much better in comparison to his kid. But that's not really enough, is it?

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:53 PM

25. I dont worry at all for daddy warbucks

he's got the best health care my money can buy.

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:00 PM

28. The Bush Family: 3 Generations of Evil

W's grand pappy and George H's daddy, Sen. Prescott Bush, was at the center of a plot to oust FDR in a coup, but the plan was foiled when Smedly Butler informed Roosevelt of the plot. FDR did not punish the plotters, After the US entered WW II, Prescott Bush was still secretly and illegally trading with Nazi Germany. George H had a very bizarre cover story about his action in Texas on the day JFK was murdered (A complete alibi when none was asked for. WTF?) and he was never brought to justice for his role Iran/Contra. Finally, Nancy Pelosi famously took impeachment off the table for W and Cheney even though they lied the nation into an unnecessary war.

See when your that rich and powerful, the law never applies to you. I nearly vomited when the canonization of Reagan began after his death, but at least you could make a case that he clueless as to how many people in his administration were law breakers. Simply put, the Bush family has had 3 generations of evil, arrogant men.

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Response to chuckstevens (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:38 PM

71. +1 and thanks for putting this up. n/t

 

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:12 PM

34. I wonder if anyone has compiled a list of things that happened

while he ran the CIA.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #34)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:17 PM

37. Is this close enough?

 

Courtesy of my old friend at BartCop.com.
[link:http://www.bartcop.com/bfee-history.htm|

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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:54 PM

52. Thanks for this list.

It's fascinating and it fills in a lot of the gaps I have in my knowledge. Well worth a look!

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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:08 PM

55. Thanks!

The link is very informative.

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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:34 PM

61. Here's some more about CIA Director Bush, the Saudis, terrorism, death squads, and the aftermath.

Why is it that the Evil Old Men all seem to die in bed, unlike their many victims?

The biggest pass that GHW got was the Cold War. That seemed to excuse a great many bad things for Bush as CIA Director, including the Operation Condor death squads and his role in the Pinochet regime's assassinations in America (the bombing in Washington that killed Orlando Letelier and Ronnie Moffett), and afterwards.

Then there was the Safari Club arrangement with Prince Turki al Faisal that set up BCCI, armed Saudi Arabia's proxy, Pakistan, with nuclear weapons and allowed the Saudis to set up a global covert paramilitary capability that became al-Qaeda.

Poppy's professional career -- in all its glory -- including Bush family's role in financial piracy, working with the bin Laden and bin Mahfooz in multiple bank lootings and land grabs across the oil patch states which became known as the S&L Crisis . . . it's all here, with citations and sources, waiting for anyone who wants to know how America was looted and colonized by the oilogarchs.

Thank G.H.W. for the original "Safari Club" deal by which the Saudis paid for CIA covert ops that the Democratic Congress and the Carter Administration had banned after the Church and Pike Committee revelations of assassinations, coups, and domestic dirty tricks by the CIA. So, in 1975-76, CIA Director Bush made a deal with Saudi intel chief Prince Turki al-Faisal to outsource and privatize these sorts of things with Saudi money paying for it. In exchange, the Saudis got the Bush CIA's permission to develop the "Islamic atomic bomb" through their proxy, Pakistan, along with the go-ahead to build and field their own covert operations capabilities with Osama bin Laden eventually given command over global logistics and organization. See, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/280

That arrangement morphed into CIA Operation Cyclone that brought hundreds of Jihadists into the U.S. for training and safekeeping in the secret war against the Russians and the Serbs that continued right up to 9/11 - despite repeated Jihadist killings of Americans during the 1990s, that sort of entry was so routine that the State Department and INS looked the other way when a bunch of Saudis with known terrorist ties were given visas and allowed entry into the U.S. in the two year period leading up to the attacks. Every time the FBI came close to busting up these cells, the Agency pushed the Bureau away, as was SOP. In 2001, things got so hot that even the CIA Director was alarmed enough to make personal visits to the President, but as always, the Bushes refused to do anything that might antagonize or embarrass their patrons, the Saudis, who by that point owned a large chunk of corporate America and were the primary funders of the Republican Party. See, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/308

The Saudis still have a huge slush fund, "al Yamamah" (The Dove) used for intelligence and influence buying operations in the US and UK - basically, the Saudis have bought protection from any accountability or interference using petrodollars and kickbacks from arms purchases, corrupting and blackmailing vast swaths of top officials in both both governments. See, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/303

UBL was "our man" (really the Saudi GID intel service and their primary US liaisons, the Bush family) in Khartoum and Kandahar long after the Soviet Union collapsed. The Saudis never really abandoned him or the fight against the Russians over oil. It was obviously in both our and the Saudis mutual interest that UBL never testify about what his actual role was in that war. See, also, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/04/810764/-Erik-P...


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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:52 PM

66. A great list and one to bookmark when he dies and DUers are scolded for calling him evil

instead of participating in the historical revision and whitewashing that will inevitably occur.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #66)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:28 PM

70. The historical revision and whitewashing is an ongoing enterprise for GHW's minions and scribes.

The destruction and falsification of documents, and creation of cover stories, have kept many busy for more than a half century.

Deception is a BFEE registered trademark.

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:13 PM

35. Bar was pretty smokin' when Bush met her in 1940.

Spawning the demon seed of Satan takes it's toll on a mortal woman:

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #35)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:54 PM

53. Yes she was.

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:13 PM

36. Or: born with a silver foot in his mouth!

Bless Ann Richards.

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:20 PM

40. That goddamn Bush cabal is a threat to democracy!

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:25 PM

42. The Bush family makes me ashamed to be an American

I don't grave dance but that that is my opinion of the criminal gang.

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:33 PM

46. The ONLY reason GHW served was because his dad was a traitor....

Republicans call him a "hero" for getting shot down. They don't mention that he was flying a bomber and abandoned the controls to save his own ass leaving his crew to die.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/13/us/gunner-in-squadron-disputes-bush-on-downing-of-bomber.html

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:54 PM

51. searchingforlight- are you looking for those 1000 points of light he promised

would do away with government services via private, non-governmental solutions to social issues???
How's that working out ?

Side note on the hypocrisy he spewed to remove government social services?

His foundation was criticized in a 1995 investigation by The Los Angeles Times for spending only 11% of its budget on grants to volunteer organizations, while spending $22.3 million on "promotions, consultants, salaries, travel and conferences," including "$5.5 million to produce a television advertising campaign and $1.4 million for a celebration of community service." The Times also noted that the foundation received more than half its budget from federal funds

No better than the hypocrite baggers we have now cutting $$ away from those in need among US plus he tried to weaken separation of C&S with that crap

But you are correct the terrible DNA!
May be the worst part of his legacy imo

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Response to searchingforlight (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:26 PM

58. Dan Quayle

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