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Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:13 AM

So many victims.

No, not the people who have been killed by guns. Not their grieving families, either.

The poor, poor people who have to make arguments for why guns are not the problem are clearly the victims in all this.

Don't believe me? Just ask them.

Or better yet, just read DU.

Which hasn't resembled DU in a long, long time.

So many victims.

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Reply So many victims. (Original post)
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 OP
NightWatcher Dec 2012 #1
ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #2
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #27
lark Dec 2012 #6
NightWatcher Dec 2012 #9
obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #33
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #3
Bake Dec 2012 #10
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #14
Bake Dec 2012 #17
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #18
Bake Dec 2012 #19
Bake Dec 2012 #24
Rex Dec 2012 #31
yardwork Dec 2012 #4
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #5
RC Dec 2012 #7
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #16
yardwork Dec 2012 #20
Rex Dec 2012 #30
MichiganVote Dec 2012 #8
Bake Dec 2012 #11
MichiganVote Dec 2012 #22
Bake Dec 2012 #23
MichiganVote Dec 2012 #25
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #28
JuniperLea Dec 2012 #26
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #12
Bake Dec 2012 #32
OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #13
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #15
madinmaryland Dec 2012 #21
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #29

Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:19 AM

1. What I find extremely constructive are the over the top, hyperbolic anti gun (owner) threads...

You know, the ones that liken gun owners to baby killers, or make it seem like if you own a gun you are actively waiting to shoot and kill someone, or some other highly moronic opinion.

Constructive debate on the "gun control" issue jumped the shark here about three days after the Newton tragedy and nothing good has come out since, either pro or anti.

We cant agree on guns here, but I'd like to think that most of us can agree that the "gun debate" has been beaten to a pulp and the carcass of the same said horse has been pounded to a mush.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:54 PM

2. Constructive debate on the gun control issue didn't jump the shark --

"Constructive debate on the 'gun control' issue jumped the shark here about three days after the Newton tragedy and nothing good has come out since, either pro or anti."

That's the point-of-view of the rabidly pro-gun crowd, for whom "constructive debate" means "bow down and worship the gun or die, infidel!"

For years, DU's gun stance has been INSANE. When Black communities vote to restrict gun ownership, DUers have moved to extreme right-wing arguments, overtly racist, because there's a dozen DUers for whom guns are the ultimate good, and anything that goes against their Faith is evil.

When white supremacists are shouting down everyone else on a liberal site, there's something very, very wrong.

Since Newtown, DU has VASTLY improved. The religious extremists have been put on the defensive, and liberals have been allowed to speak their minds -- which is the reverse of how it has been for years.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:22 PM

27. You say, "rabidly pro-gun crowd;" "INSANE;" "OVERTLY RACIST". Yea, that ought to help.

 

Very constructive.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:02 PM

6. Nope, wrong on all accounts

Sorry this doesn't fit with your gun owners as the top echelon of society meme, and that any talk of any controls at all on gun ownership make you uncomfortable, but maybe you should ask yourself why? Is it because your support of uncontrolled gun ownership trumps all and you can't take any resistance? Gun control debate has been totally lacking in this country for the past 16 years, but just a few weeks of debate over a totally heinous occurence and you are done? It's people like you that are causing this problem when you can't even handle a little talk. Why don't you go to the NRA website, or Drudge, it would probably be more in line with your thinking.

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Response to lark (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:27 PM

9. Yours is a perfect example of the hyperbole that doesn't help the debate

1. I do not hold to a meme that as a gun owner I am in the top echelon of society.
I've never said anything remotely close to this, can you read?
2. I am not uncomfortable with controls on gun ownership.
I have advocated a reinstatement of the previous AWB and a prohibition on high cap magazines.
3. I do not support uncontrollable gun ownership.
Seriously, I dont know how you know all these facts about me (none of which are true by the way)
4. Why the fuck you would think that I should be on the NRA or Drudge websites is even beyond me?



Where do you see any of your opinions about me in this post?


What I find extremely constructive are the over the top, hyperbolic anti gun (owner) threads...

You know, the ones that liken gun owners to baby killers, or make it seem like if you own a gun you are actively waiting to shoot and kill someone, or some other highly moronic opinion.

Constructive debate on the "gun control" issue jumped the shark here about three days after the Newton tragedy and nothing good has come out since, either pro or anti.

We cant agree on guns here, but I'd like to think that most of us can agree that the "gun debate" has been beaten to a pulp and the carcass of the same said horse has been pounded to a mush.


Your post is what I am pointing to as not helping in the debate. All you did was name call and assign positions to me that I simply do not have and do not apply to me.

Thanks for playing, but FAIL

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:37 PM

33. Legal gun owners=sex offenders is the latest one

I've just seen in more than one current thread.

If sex offenders have to be on a public registry, then so should gun owners.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:50 PM

3. I haz a sad

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:38 PM

10. Will, I never would have pegged you as one who evades rational discussion

Nice photo, but it doesn't help the discussion. Maybe it makes you feel better though.



Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:28 PM

14. There is no rational discussion.

I am sick of trying to have it.

Bake, I love you forever, always have, always will, but I won't be scolded on this.

I am sick of running my head into walls.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:48 PM

17. You're right. There is no rational discussion HERE, anyway.

Hard to get past the name-calling (not you, of course).

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:49 PM

18. Asshole.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:09 PM

19. Jerk-off.

Nice post, Hitler!

(Bet you haven't seen THAT one lately!)



Bake

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:16 PM

24. I thought about it. Consider yourself scolded.

And you know I love you like a brother--no wait, my brothers are total assholes, and you're way better than that. There is NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE, I respect more on DU than you--but you're also better than name calling and posting snarky pics.

Knee-jerk reactions are almost always wrong, and you know that. Calling for the ban of all firearms is never going to fly. Not now. Probably not ever. All I'm asking for is some CIVIL DISCUSSION. I've expressed my position; I'm willing to support an assault weapons ban and hi-cap magazine ban (depending on the definition of hi-cap). BUT: The name-calling has got to stop, and you (more so than I, who has 1/100th of the clout you do here) can be instrumental in that. Yes, I totally agree that the NRA types are wrong, and Wayne LaPierre is a gun whore. But SOMEWHERE there's a middle ground. We need to be better than they are.

Again, you know I love you, my brother,

Bake

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:30 PM

31. I haz a place to uze that pic

C&P

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:52 PM

4. If only the other nine amendments in the Bill of Rights received this much attention.

Many of the same people who are hysterical at the thought that they might have to curtail a few items in their hobby let many of their other rights go without a murmur in the name of national security.

The irony is deep.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:59 PM

5. +1000

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Response to yardwork (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:20 PM

7. You and I may not agree on much else, but we agree this.

 

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Response to yardwork (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:30 PM

16. The irony is Derp.

Proper spelling is important.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:12 PM

20. Got it!

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Response to yardwork (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:29 PM

30. Oh dam, how do I rec a post a zillion times!!!

This is the 'reply of the year' imo!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:17 PM

8. I'm not sorry for any of them. They've had it their way for far too long.

Time to do things differently.

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Response to MichiganVote (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:39 PM

11. If you've got the votes to back it up, go for it.

I don't think you do, however.

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:35 PM

22. If you've got the balls to show up here when the next semi automatic goes off in a school

and kills your kid or your neighbors kid, we'll find the votes good lookin'. Depend on it.

And then you can all use a fucking pea shooter for all I care.

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Response to MichiganVote (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:07 PM

23. I've got the balls to show up here and disagree with the gun-grabbers.

You want to take all the guns away. And I think you're dreaming. I own TWO guns. I own them for two reasons: one, self defense; two, I enjoy going to the range and shooting them at targets. Neither is illegal.

If you want to repeal the Second Amendment, go for it. I won't vote for it, and contrary to your wet dreams, neither will a majority of the voters. But jump on out there and go for it.

Now, if you want to come to my front porch and sit there all night, every night, come ahead. I live on the edge of a downtown urban nieghborhood. We've had break-ins that don't end well for the homeowners/residents.

Since I assume that you won't do that, I'll be just fine with my two friends, Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.

But go ahead. See if you can get traction for a movement to repeal the Second Amendment.

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:14 PM

25. No actually I don't want to take all guns away. Semi's and their huge clips-yes.

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Response to MichiganVote (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:28 PM

28. All 50-round clips should be banned.

 

Of course, legislation directed at the problem would help.

If we can't have that, at least we can have feel-good legislation. Isn't feel-good responses what led us into Iraq when the Iraqis did not attack the twin towers and did not have WMDs?

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Response to Bake (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:22 PM

26. "Gun-grabbers"?

Are you listening at all?

Where is your well-regulated militia?

I want to see people thoroughly examined to determine if they have the intellectual and emotional wherewithal to own and handle a gun. I'm willing to take the test... and I'll even give up Grandpa's collectible rifles if it's determined I don't fit the bill.

I want to see guns removed from homes where there are felons residing, or where there are mentally ill residing.

How many of your friends have been killed by armed freaks of nature who shouldn't have had a gun at all? Three of mine have... Seal Beach, 10/12/11. Plus a woman who was sitting in the chair where I had my hair done dozens of times... a stranger, sure, but we shared space that proved fatal for her and it could have easily been me.

No one wants to "grab" your fucking guns... we just want to be sure you aren't a few ants short of a picnic. Your use of this slur is telling... very telling indeed.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:41 PM

12. You're not being "constructive." That's their new buzzword...

Gun nut cretins and their "constructive" interlocutors.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:35 PM

32. "Gun nut cretins?" Really?

The name-calling has GOT to stop or nothing will get accomplished.

But if it makes you feel better to call names, please continue. You're not doing your side any good.

I promise you, I'm not a "cretin." I have four degrees and am open to reasonable discussion. Calling me a name doesn't make your argument any stronger.

Bake

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:45 PM

13. derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp

 

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:29 PM

15. You're doing it wrong.

Capitalize the 'd' for better effect.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:34 PM

21. From some of the stuff I've read, you would think Wayne LaPierre is a victim in this whole thing.


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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:28 PM

29. He used to be a Democrat.

 

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