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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:05 AM

1. He aint dead yet

so I think you're being just a little premature here.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:07 AM

2. It must suck to spend your life being COMPLETELY WRONG, then

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:11 AM

3. Sorry dude, but at my age

I've realized guys like him have no intention of serving the country, they only wish to serve themselves. Fuck em,.

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Response to HEyHEY (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:39 AM

10. Skull & Bones... Thule society... connect the dots.

Prescott & Adolf
sitting in a tree
k i s s i n g....

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Response to HEyHEY (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:58 AM

50. +++++ you bet!

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Response to HEyHEY (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:08 AM

54. I agree

Poppy is not someone anyone should show any remorse for. He killed a lot of people in his day and it shouldn't be passed off as doing what he thought was right by our country because of all things it was not intended by him to be anything 'right.'
The only man who can't remember where he was on nov. 22 '63. Even when faced with a picture of him in dallas he still denied it. Fuck poppy

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Response to HEyHEY (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:42 AM

73. Thank you!

GHWB was always, first and foremost, about himself, his powere and his money. He sold his soul on economics, women's rights, etc. to be Reagan's veep in 1980. Then, when 1992 came and Clinton was beating his ass and his continuation of Reagan policies, he was so vapid that all he could do was call Clinton and Gore names, just like a petulant child!

In defeat, Dan Quayle showed more grace. And notice, too, that he disappeared from the public scene. Now that was service to the country. In contrast, GHWB foisted his heirs on the rest of us and not in service to the country.

The country is worse for all of Bush's so-called service to it.

The original poster could not be more wrong!

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:14 AM

4. His "due" is he took this country quickly down the road to ruin. So many bad things he was responsib

responsible for. I feel sorry for his family with him dying, but I will give him no respect for doing "what he believed was right for his country". Instead he spent his life "doing what he believed was right for his own and his partner's money bags".

NOT his country, but his and his friends purses.

Not going to piss on his grave, not going to grave dance, but his "due" is for making himself and his friends rich. NOT for "doing what he believed was right for his country".

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:14 AM

5. I'd like to take this opportunity to dedicate a hymn to GHWB



Hymn

Hymn

Fugg hymn.


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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:21 AM

6. I will give the man his due AND flame away.

His "due" is a place in the Hell he imagined his enemies were going to. The deaths of one hundred thousand probably rest at his feet.

He connived to thwart the will of the people in the Iran-Contra affair -making him a traitor to the Constitution he swore to uphold.

He went on a secret mission to Iran to KEEP the hostages imprisoned long enough to get Reagan in office -another traitorous act.

He is the spawn of generations of greedheads who launched themselves into the air by stepping on the backs of countless numbers of others, burying them in the process.

And if you defend him as vigorously as you do and for such thin reasons as "he was doing what he thought correct" , you confirm my suspicion that you are the Conservative I have come to believe you are.

NEVER FORGET that even Hitler was doing what he thought best for his country and people.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:25 PM

90. "NEVER FORGET that even Hitler was doing what he thought best for his country and people."

good point.

I don't think they celebrate Hitler for his patriotism.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:23 AM

7. He...

Did some good things but only when they aligned with his beliefs. His role in the Iranian hostage issue is dubious at best. The Iran Contra affair no better. But his most egregious act was sitting in silence knowing full well his son was horribly unqualified to be CinC.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:27 AM

8. (Un-Deleted) Go to hell. He was a monster.

 

Last edited Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Bush was a warmonger and possibly implicit in JFK's death.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:45 AM

42. Was?

He's not dead yet.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:18 PM

85. CT crock of shit

 

Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman who shot Kennedy.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #85)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:16 PM

111. The HSCA's 1979 report brings this into question

Conclusions regarding the Kennedy assassinationOn the Kennedy assassination, the HSCA concluded in its 1979 report that:

1.Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired successfully killed the President.
2.Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that at least two gunmen fired at the President. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations.
3.The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee was unable to identify the other gunmen or the extent of the conspiracy.

The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the Soviet Government was not involved in the assassination of Kennedy.
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the Cuban Government was not involved in the assassination of Kennedy.
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that anti-Castro Cuban groups, as groups, were not involved in the assassination of Kennedy, but that the available evidence does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved.
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the national syndicate of organized crime, as a group, was not involved in the assassination of Kennedy, but that the available evidence does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved.
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the Secret Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Central Intelligence Agency were not involved in the assassination of Kennedy.
4.Agencies and departments of the U.S. Government performed with varying degrees of competency in the fulfilment of their duties. President Kennedy did not receive adequate protection. A thorough and reliable investigation into the responsibility of Lee Harvey Oswald for the assassination was conducted. The investigation into the possibility of conspiracy in the assassination was inadequate. The conclusions of the investigations were arrived at in good faith, but presented in a fashion that was too definitive.

The Committee further concluded that it was probable that:

four shots were fired
the third shot came from a second assassin located on the grassy knoll, but missed
. They concluded that it missed due to the lack of physical evidence of an actual bullet, of course this investigation took place almost sixteen years after the crime.
The HSCA agreed with the single bullet theory, but concluded that it occurred at a time point during the assassination that differed from any of the several time points the Warren Commission theorized it occurred.

The Department of Justice, FBI, CIA, and the Warren Commission were all criticized for not revealing to the Warren Commission information available in 1964, and the Secret Service was deemed deficient in their protection of the President.

The HSCA made several accusations of deficiency against the FBI and CIA. The accusations encompassed organizational failures, miscommunication, and a desire to keep certain parts of their operations secret. Furthermore, the Warren Commission expected these agencies to be forthcoming with any information that would aid their investigation. But the FBI and CIA only saw it as their duty to respond to specific requests for information from the commission. However, the HSCA found the FBI and CIA were deficient in performing even that limited role.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:33 AM

9. Responsible for Iran-Contra

200,000 to 250,000 Guatemalan Indians DEAD!
He is a war criminal!

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Response to burrowowl (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:46 AM

43. That war

The Guatemalan civil war started decades before him, and lasted decades after him, how is he responsible for all of the deaths over the coarse of 40 years?

Is Clinton responsible for the state of Somalia now? Is he a war criminal too?

I do not care for H, but he wasn't the evil man some seem to think.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #43)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:38 AM

72. My Father was in Guatemala at

the time in the 80' working for ICAO, the Indians were alive and before Iran-Contra which gave the Rich plutocracy a chance to kill them

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:47 AM

11. Looted the S&Ls

A blueprint for when his sons looted the banks.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:50 AM

12. I doubt if "serving his country" has ever entered his mind

And I hope he lives another 20 years so he can see his piece o shift son universally acclaimed as the worst president inUS history.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:50 AM

13. you live inside his head, maybe? how do you know what he thought? he spent his life doing what

 

was good for the bushes, imo.

and it's just as valid as yours. don't tell me what to 'remember'.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:10 AM

14. No better than Teabaggers is this lame bullshit whitewashing.

His service was fucking us over to feed bottom lines of his buddies and in all practical effect, advance fascism.

Fuck Unka Ronnie to hell with a rusty dumpster as well and especially.
The bastards ought to be under a jail, no parole even for death. Better rapture those fucks if you want them out before a thousand years.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:12 AM

15. BULLSHIT! He served the Ruling Class n/t

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:21 AM

16. I've been deleting every Bush thread

I can't stand all the hatred being spewed and would just rather not read it.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:12 PM

78. Really, well apparently you're here and reading!

And BTW, it's not hatred; it's the truth!

Just because someone is near death does not mean that his worldly actions should be glossed over or re-written.

May GHWB be justly and correctly known and remembered for his actions and deeds, most of which were not in service to the country and many of which were deadly for thousands of people.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:41 AM

17. Yeah, right.

you should be making this case at Free Republic....there are plenty of rubes that will buy your factless horseshitt there.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:42 AM

18. Haha this place has been totally compromised

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:16 AM

19. And Hitler was also a "Good German"

Evil is done by men trying to do good and the road to hell is paved with good intentions. May they both rest in whatever they wrought for themselves. It is not ours to judge the good or the bad.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:39 AM

20. Asinine post!

Sure he did what he thought was right for his country. That's the problem. Every one of those Republicans including mainstream ones and teabaggers are delusional bastards who have either convinced themselves that their cause is a noble one, or they're certified psychopaths and couldn't care less. Those who have reached the top are the worst and that includes George H.W.Bush. "Served his country with distinction and honor" is a load of BS.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:43 AM

21. Sorry, but I really never liked him much.

I'll try not to say anything too negative about him, but it take a big effort.

I wish that DUers just wouldn't post at all about him no matter what happens. Sometimes it is best to be respectfully silent.

He was not a friend to Democrats. He did not respect Democratic values. Let's just leave him out of DU.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:27 AM

26. +1, I think that's the right approach nt

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:25 AM

68. +1!

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:13 PM

81. except that it matters because Jeb is attempting to be Bush45 in 2016, so yes, it matters here

 

this will be part of the rehab of the Bush name. They already are planning it

alot of times I agree with you, but not on this.

I do wish he would live another 4 years and see Jeb get his ass kicked by Hillary.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #81)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:39 PM

98. Very important point. One of the best ways to prevent electing/appointing more Bushes is to >>>

>>>gloss over the transgressions of the past ones.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:56 AM

22. " NO, I will NEVER forget he served his country with distinction and honor. "

You actually BELIEVE that? Never mind, I know that you do. How sad.

I don't think there is any way forward for us from that. You actually believe that George H. W. Bush ever gave a tinker's damn about the country he lived in, just wow.

I could list a million ways the man demonstrated that he didn't give a FUCK about this country or it's people but clearly that would be a waste of time with you. You already know who he is and what he's done I'd assume. I'll just leave you to whatever it is you are doing.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:16 AM

23. Pretending that he was a good man is perhaps even worse. It's dishonest.


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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:25 AM

24. I appreciate you trying to find the good in a dying man.

That's very compassionate of you. But I find little reason to give him the benefit of the doubt on his political motivations. That said, I'm not planning any dancing sessions and I would vastly prefer a modern GOP full of people like him rather than the cartoonishly villainous crackpots we have to contend with.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:25 AM

25. I believe he had a lot more foreign policy sensibilities than most politicians of either party

He at least had the awareness of the importance of trying to advance a settlement to the Israel/Palestine conflict and he did show some real courage in that area. He was the last American president to not block a U.N. Security Council resolution critical of Israel. That took real courage.

He of course represents a totally different worldview than what I have as a leftist and an anti-imperialist. But at least I could predict that he was guided by a particular belief in what he saw as America's national interest. Thus there was predictability to where he would usually stand on an issue. This is in sharp contrast to either the neoconservatives or their Democratic Party cousins - the liberal interventionist. Though I am far from his point of view - I find his approach to at least have enough pragmatism to be not only more predictable - but a lot less dangerous.

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:32 AM

71. HW Bush was relatively popular after his terrible Iraq War

He tried to cash in his popularity and try for a solution to the I/P conflict. He was immediately abandoned by the establishment. Bush said he never felt so alone, and he received bad press after that.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:28 AM

27. WTF?

Uh. No. Goddamn no in thunder!

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:33 AM

28. I have no sympathy for a murderer

And IMO he is that. And let's not forget this. I guess Bush believes this is right too. I wish there was a hell for him. I know he is still living, but I hope misery for him for whatever time left.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/Franklin/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:37 AM

29. So did Hitler.

Say what you want, but the guy really served his country. By you logic, I'm bound to respect that. Not by mine.

You may claim Godwin, of course, and walk away - but this won't change the fact that the structure of your argument supports any evil deed as long as the evil-doer can somehow claim "service to a country"...

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:43 AM

40. And Stalin, and Mao, and Pol Pot, and Pinochet, and Hernandez, and Taliban, and ...

Thats just to name a few.

The OP is the stupidest argument I have seen presented so far in defense of indefensible.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #40)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:05 AM

52. Glad to see I'm not the only who's thinking that way...

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:19 AM

56. I'll third ya

"as long as they think what they're doing is right..."

Bull...Fing....shit.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:41 AM

30. +1 to the ops post. K&R.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:49 AM

31. Argumentum ad populum, as popular today as ever.

 


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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:51 AM

32. K&R!

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:02 AM

33. You "honor" Reagan's service? Disgusting...

Far beyond Bush even, Reagan set this nation on a course of trying to destroy just about good and decent about it. Starting with his campaign kicking off with a speech about "State's Rights" in the same place (Philadelphia, Mississippi) where "States Rights" advocates (also known as the Ku Klux Klan) murdered 3 peaceful civil rights workers. The list of Reagan's crimes ,along with his henchman Bush, are too lengthy to even begin to enumerate here. No "honoring their service" from this citizen. (I do honor Mr.Bush's service in WW2 , but that honoring begins and ends right there). I choose to honor the suffering of millions, from Central American peasants, to Americans with AIDS, and not Ronald Reagan who was so instrumental in making sure they suffered.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:05 AM

34. Huh?? n/t

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:30 AM

35. Bull Mother FUcking SHit

He did what he thought was right for his rich family and his kind. He gives not a shit about the rest of us.

Fuck him. Since we can't prosecute the bastard, then the quicker he goes, the better.

Roast in Hell mother fucker, I say to him.

You say that makes me no better than the teabillies. Another false equivalency but I say how fucking naive must you be to think anyone in the Bush family or any mother fucking republican has anyones best interest, other than their own, at heart? Really?

Fuck dancing on his grave after he passes. My jig has started for this mother fucker.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:21 AM

36. The only thing nice I can say:

W made him look good in comparison.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #36)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:17 PM

83. He gave us W.

Enough with the Bushes 'serving' the country.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:34 AM

37. Ask hundreds of thousands of dead Latin Americans...

How much they care about GHWB doing what was right. Oh wait...they're dead. And in many cases they were tortured so badly they probably couldn't speak anyway.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:36 AM

38. There is a huge difference between doing what's right and what's right for you.

Doing what's right requires a hell of a lot of moral courage and humility.

Guess which category GHWB belongs to by your own description?

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:42 AM

39. Which policy stances of Reagan did you agree with?

Reagan was a worthless piece of crap.

Don

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:44 AM

41. so did Pol Pot and a host of others.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:13 AM

65. +1 n/t

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:41 AM

44. Bush Sr. was the only intelligent Republican president we've had in my lifetime.

And in many ways an intelligent Republican is even scarier than a stupid one is....(I still wish him a full recovery, I'm all about good karma).

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:46 AM

45. Oh, so you know Poppy?

I first encountered him when I was 15, Kennedy had just been killed, and Poppy had never been elected to anything. He was a Texas "oilman" who had no presence in the oil patch, and he was introduced as a man who would one day be President of the United States.

At every juncture he failed to win state-wide elections in Texas, was finally elected to represent the millionaires in the River Oaks section of Houston in the Congress, resigned to run for the Senate, lost that, and was in the wilderness. Nixon picked him up, dusted him off and made him Ambassador to the UN, although he had nothing in his public background to recommend him for a position of international diplomacy. Then in 1973, during the heart of the Watergate scandal, Nixon made him Chair of the RNC and Bush steadfastly defended Nixon til the last dog died. After Nixon resigned, he was back in Siberia, so to speak. Voila! the appointed President Ford sent the unemployed Bush to China as the first "liaison" to Beijing. Then, glory be, during the post-Watergate investigations of the CIA by the Rockefeller Commission, the Church Committee, and finally the House Select Committee on Assassinations, Jerry Ford installed George as Director of the CIA, although he had no perceivable intelligence background ... at that time. He served until Jimmy Carter was elected and Carter announced that Ted Sorensen was his choice for CIA Director. BUT, there was a hue and cry that Sorensen was unqualified and his nomination dead in the water because Sorensen had no prior relationship with the intelligence community. Huh????? Nobody mentioned George H.W.Bush prior lack of intelligence background! (Or WAS there? Hmmmm)

Bush decided it was now or never for a presidential run and went for it in 1980. He was taken on board by Reagan as his Veep at the urging of Bill Casey, who became Reagan's CIA Director, although Reagan neither liked him nor trusted him. About 8 or 9 weeks after Reagan's inauguration, POTUS is shot and nearly killed by the son of a Bush family associate. Neil Bush was scheduled to have dinner with John Hinckley's brother, Scott, the night after the assassination attempt. That's open knowledge. The story goes on .... books will be written one day ....

Just remember, the original George H.W. Bush, oilman from Texas, rugged Republican in a strongly Democratic state, was commonly known as right-wing extremist nutcase at the beginning of his political career. He was close to the Birch Society people in Texas. When he became POTUS he was all about war. He had four years and we had Panama invasion and the Gulf War and the Somalia disaster which he handed off the Clinton like a poison pen ... and then, poof, he was gone. But like a bad penny, he turned up to push his sons into his own power vacuum. Jeb lost his election, George W. won his. The rest is history, but it just hasn't been written yet.

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:57 AM

49. Fascinating post.

Very helpful for the less "chronologically privileged" among us.

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:17 AM

66. Good post.

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:25 AM

69. Very interesting post. Thank you.

Those who don't know about George H. W. Walker's father, Prescott Bush, might be interested to google him. But don't stop at the Wiki article, which has been sanitized. Check out information about Prescott's business dealings with the Nazis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:33 PM

94. K&R! Excellent post, Zen Dem, and thank you for

providing this encapsulated history.

I have read all of this before but could not recall all the details, so I was hoping someone would post this factual rebuttal to the OP's nonsense and thankfully, you stepped up to the plate.

With revisionists like the OP combined a sympathy for the devil component, Jeb Bush may rise to become a formidable national figure in 2016.

God help us all!

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:38 PM

97. You should post this as an OP.

Obviously a bit that was missed out at the top of the thread.

I'd rec this reply if I could and UnRec the OP.

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:53 PM

103. Spot on

Any Bush as an "oil man" is a joke in the patch.

Remember his payback to the Liedtke's (Pennzoil v Texaco)?

The Bushes are fucking evil scum members of the Lucky Sperm Club. They never did anything that was not self-serving.

I doubt the whole truth will ever surface.

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:23 PM

118. This would make a great obituary n/t

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:53 AM

46. Gosh, I'm not sure about that.

And I'm no grave-dancer.

He's far from the worse, they have to offer, but he's made more than one decision that I'm sure he knew was not in the best interest of this country. No need to run through the tawdry list of his "mistakes", but I'm sure he had some foresight about at least some of them. No Republican gets to his level without putting the military or big business first.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:54 AM

47. It Was GHWB Who Enshrined "Liberal" As A National Curse Word.


Yes, he had a decent WWII record, and yes, he told the NRA to fuck off. But never forget the lasting damage he did to progressive causes in this country.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:55 AM

48. The only good thing he ever did was sign the Americans with Disabilities Act.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:00 AM

51. Dumbest Fucking post ever! Praise the mighty ignore feature!

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:07 AM

53. The road to hell..

..... is paved with "good intentions".

Bush did what was good for his financial empire, the country was just a tool. His son followed in his footsteps, clumsily.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:16 AM

55. No flame here

I like to think that Democrats are a cut above the Reps when it comes to wishing evil on others..we're the ones who care about people.

Bush did raise taxes which cost him a reelection and it probably helped pay for the first Gulf war. Mistakes were made, and history will judge, but not as many as W's war...mistakes and no taxes. He won reelection and I will never understand how.

I save my anger for LaPierrre, but I know he's nuts and others like him, and the teabaggers who do not care about people.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:22 AM

57. I suppose every president that ever served

is guilty in some way of causing and/or being complicit in the deaths of other people.

This is just a general statement, btw. I'm not speaking of any president in particular. It's just that the above posts made me think about this philosophically... I really don't see how any president can avoid these things.

I could never serve in that office. I would die of sadness.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:35 AM

58. Exactly, not to mention he's a human being.

If we're not going to have respect for all human beings in America, what exactly are we fighting for?

Here are some of Bush Sr's achievements.

http://us-presidents.findthedata.org/l/21/George-H-W-Bush

Bush signed a Bill providing additional benefits for Unemployed Workers.
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990
Bush reauthorized the Clean Air Act, requiring cleaner burning Fuels.


And somebody better have a talk with Obama about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush#Awards_and_Honors

On February 15, 2011, he was awarded the Medal of Freedom—the highest civilian honor in the United States—by President Barack Obama.

Even Obama acknowledges it.

About Bush and the former Soviet Union. I realized the significance of his relationship with Gorbachav as a kid, but here's more info.

Though no agreements were signed, the meeting was viewed largely as being an important one; when asked about nuclear war, Gorbachev responded, "I assured the President of the United States that the Soviet Union would never start a hot war against the United States of America. And we would like our relations to develop in such a way that they would open greater possibilities for cooperation.... This is just the beginning. We are just at the very beginning of our road, long road to a long-lasting, peaceful period". The meeting was received as a very important step to the end of the Cold War.
Another summit was held in July 1991, where the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START I) was signed by Bush and Gorbachev in Moscow. The treaty took nine years in the making and was the first major arms agreement since the signing of the Intermediate Ranged Nuclear Forces Treaty by Reagan and Gorbachev in 1987. The contentions in START would reduce the US's and USSR's strategic nuclear weapons by about 35% over seven years, and the Soviet Union's land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles would be cut by 50%. Bush described START as "a significant step forward in dispelling half a century of mistrust". After the dissolution of the USSR in 1991, President Bush and Gorbachev declared a US-Russian strategic partnership, marking the end of the Cold War.


Ruducing the chances of a fight. Good thing. Reducing nuclear weapons. Good thing. Too bad some of the thugs in Russia went and messed that up years later. We're supposed to be for reducing nuclear weapons, right?

Bush signed the Immigration Act of 1990, which increased legal immigration to the United States by 40 percent.

Welcoming more immigrants. Good thing.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:26 AM

59. I will not grave dance but

stay silent out of respect for love, not for his family nor the man himself. He is responsible for much of the misery people face now, responsible in building corporations that have done nothing for the majority of the people but for his family and buddies and all of it ALL of it is in some way at our expense. HW may seem like a nice man, a kind sort of fellow but he is not. Look at his parents and family line, look at his family and what he has spawned. NOBODY who has so many bad things about them ever meant well for anyone else. I could go on but I will not, this is only a tiny measure of the man.

I could not care less about the evil fucks who will mourn him however at my age I have mourned enough to know that evil or not they will feel a horrible pain that we all share from time to time when we lose those we love, so I will not grave dance.

RomneyLies, the only thing HW did for this country was set it up "the right way" to make money and benefit for his family and friends.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:32 AM

60. un-recced, with extreme prejudice. nt.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:10 AM

61. Completely disagree.

He did what he felt was best for HIM and his disgusting rich cronies. And who gives a fuck if most of the country agrees with you? I don't have to. And I don't.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:12 AM

62. Then that makes him evil. Frankly, I'd prefer that people thought me stupid. n/t

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:13 AM

63. Where is the "unrec" button?

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #63)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:11 PM

110. Had me looking for one immediately.

Disappointed more than ever that it no longer exists.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:13 AM

64. Wow calling it before the man is actually dead?

Yawn. I won't flame away at a non-post. You are wrong and I suspect you know that. Why are you defending a Repuke, before he is even dead?

Oh I know why...

I don't dance on graves...but I will this ONE time, just because your post is about the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:19 AM

67. 'what he believed was right'

. . . doesn't make it right; not by a mile.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:32 AM

70. Baloney.

BFEE.

That is all.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:52 AM

74. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with DUer Octofish.

You really need to "Know Your BFEE" better.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=journals&uid=123447

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Response to SalviaBlue (Reply #74)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:08 PM

75. I don't go in for CT n/t

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #75)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:10 PM

76. Good thing for you--Octafish doesn't go in for conspiracy theories either. He sticks with facts.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #76)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:18 PM

84. #1, nearly every response to me in this thread has been CT bullshit.

 

#2, there was nothing about Bush at the link you provided.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #75)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:33 PM

95. From what I can see, you don't go in for FACTS either.

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Response to SalviaBlue (Reply #95)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:36 PM

96. Most of the respondents to my OP are the ones ignoring FACTS

 

One did not receive the Distinguished Flying Cross in World War II by not serving their country with distinction and honor.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #96)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:02 PM

106. The DFC was a cover

Those old Avengers flew patrol, not combat.

GHWB freaked about something, bailed and left his crew to crash and drown.

My late uncle was on the boat that fished the asshat out of the water.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #106)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:08 PM

108. And it was made possible by the Illuminati operating under instructions from the Bilderbergers

 

all being controlled by the Masons.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #108)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:30 PM

120. I think you need to get some rest

Take a few deep breaths, Maybe watch a few episodes of Andy Griffith.

You are beginning to talk gibberish.

Personally, I hope GHWB lives for a few more years - in agony.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:12 PM

77. GHW Bush is a child molester

And you're defending him.

Read up on the Franklin scandal.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:13 PM

79. sorry, no, you are wrong

yes he served his country but to say he always did what he believed was right for America? That is downright insulting.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:13 PM

80. Well ... Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and the like thought what they did was right for their respective

countries too ...

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:13 PM

82. ask the Chileans

about that

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:18 PM

86. Well, he served in the military in WW 2

But so did a lot of other men who were not so well known and connected. And they came back to actually build this country and make it great. Guys like carpenters, ironworkers, welders, hard working men who gave their all for their country and most of all, their families. Bush never had to do any type of hard physical labor in his life. So thanks bush, for your military service. Why didn't you help out those working men who made this the greatest country on earth? Oh yeah, they weren't wealthy, at least not monetarily. If this is "pissing on his grave" then I plead guilty, even though at this writing, he ain't dead.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:22 PM

87. Meh - where is UnRec when we need it?

"The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones"

And the evil he did will live many years.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:23 PM

88. Though it is said that a lie repeated often enough

as we've seen in the righ wing media echo chamber, becomes the truth. This past election just showed how flawed belief in that alternative universe is: lies are "truth" until the electorate exposes the real TRUTH.

So you can repeat "I will NEVER forget he served his country with distinction and honor" to yourself as often as you wish but it's still a lie. GHWB"S due is that the sold his soul for more wealth and more power in service to himself and his buddies, the country be damned.

You ended with flame away... so yes, your pants are on fire!

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:25 PM

89. Hm.

Two months of membership, transparency page exposed, 38 members ignoring, openly attacking other DU members in several threads, and now a post supporting GHWB while equating those with opposite viewpoints to teabaggers...

I suspect there's been some discussion around the MIRT table.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:28 PM

91. Hitler believed in what he was doing too

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:29 PM

92. I'm just curious

Yes, I'm usually not in favor of grave-pissing or grave-dancing but each to his/her own.

He is and always was a Republican. By definition, he only cares about the 1% and *maybe* the religious right-wing. I'm a bit shocked he actually signed the ADA, so good on him.

Why do you care what people do about him ? Myself, when he passes, I'll be quiet. That's the best I can do for the man. When President Carter passes, I might shed a tear or two.

GHWB was paid well for his service and gained whatever fame/legacy he will have. I think my silence is far better than the frenzied shrieks and howls of joy from FR which will occur once President Carter dies.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:40 PM

99. Garbage in Garbage out

You'd say they same shit about Romney.


God I miss the unrecord.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #99)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:46 PM

101. I'll just post this here

 

My thread proved something.

The invective directed at George H.W. Bush as he lies on his death bed demonstrates that there are some on the left who are every bit as vindictive, hyperbolic, and over the top as the teabaggers.

When we demonize our political foes to the point that we dehumanize them, we actually dehumanize ourselves.

The teabaggers did this over Obama.

And the CT crap over a "BFEE" is every bit the same. The CTs about Bush being responsible for the death of Kennedy is every bit as out there, and outright STUPID as the CTs about Obama being born in Kenya.

I don't know why I expected more from people on the left. I thought liberals were supposed to be better than conservatives.

I was wrong in that.

I despise the fact that, politically, I must make common cause with people who would behave this way. I honestly want to see progressive advances in this nation. It's sick that I must make common cause with people who would treat a political foe as if they were subhuman.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #101)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:53 PM

104. Your Post sucks

I won't honor the man.

you will and that tells me a lot of you and your posts.


Now let's look at the word honor:


1
a : good name or public esteem : reputation
b : a showing of usually merited respect : recognition <pay honor to our founder>
2
: privilege <had the honor of joining the captain for dinner>
3
: a person of superior standing —now used especially as a title for a holder of high office <if Your Honor please>
4
: one whose worth brings respect or fame : credit <an honor to the profession>
5
: the center point of the upper half of an armorial escutcheon
6
: an evidence or symbol of distinction: as
a : an exalted title or rank



Nope.... he an't that

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #104)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:58 PM

105. And that makes you part of the problem, IMO. n/t

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #101)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:16 PM

112. Your deliberate whitewashing of GHW Bush's demonstrable UN-democratic actions

is wrong. Sanitizing his history in order to prop him up as an American patriot is dishonest and (worse) enables the Bush family to continue its political dynasty at a time it should be exposed as an international syndicate. Jeb Bush still sorely desires the White House and there are forces out there who would love to prop him up as their next "clean" face in order to continue to fleece the world.

If you despise us for telling the truth, why the hell do you persist in coming here?

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #112)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:21 PM

116. I have yet to see any "truth", I've only seen conspiracy theory nonsense

 

on the same scale as the birther bullshit.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #116)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:27 PM

119. You know what? I'm actually glad you posted that. I'm kicking your thread just for this post

It makes it easier for all of us to figure out "truth" of what each poster's agenda is...



Now where is that picture of GW Bush holding hands with the Saudis.... (rider trundles off whistling amusedly)

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #119)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:30 PM

122. Sure, go study the "BFEE"

 

Make sure you understand their relationship to the Illuminati and the Masons, too. You'll see it's all controlled by the Bilderbergers.



Replace Bush with Clinton and you end up with RWNJ CT claptrap.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:41 PM

100. Bush might have noble instincts but he readily pushed them aside pandering to the GOP base.

GHWB will get my respect as a former president, but no more.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:46 PM

102. GHW Bush served himself and his ruling elite cronies. NOT "his country"

His "country" has no borders and consists of transnational interests who manipulate global affairs to enrich themselves despite whatever human suffering, pain and disaster they cause.

To believe anything else is naive at best. From whatever role he had with JFK's death to his connections with any number of evil shit like the Carlyle Group/Saudi royal family/ Bin Ladins, the Medellin cartel, the CIA shenanigans globally, and much much more.

His evil hand is in all the worst pies. I won't mourn him nor will I dance on his grave but whitewashing his evil stain is wrong.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:03 PM

107. Give the man his due

I will give doo doo to him
extra helping to his wife for Katrina comments and the fruit of her womb (all of 'em)

68 days of posting stuff like this>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021857233

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:09 PM

109. According to GHW, atheists were neither American citizens nor "patriotic."

Attributed

"No, I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God.… I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists."

*Attributed by Robert I. Sherman, reporting about a public press conference Bush held at O'Hare Airport on 27 August 1987 just after announcing his candidacy for president. No other journalists have confirmed or contradicted Sherman's account of the exchange.
**Rob Sherman (2006-04-01). Documents at Bush Presidential Library Prove VP Bush Questioned Citizenship and Patriotism of Atheists. RobSherman.com. Retrieved on 2006-04-21.
*Frequently misquoted as "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots."
**GALA Interim (Fall 1988). "On the Barricades: Bush on Atheism". Free Inquiry 8 (4): 16. ISSN 0272-0701.
**Tiede, Tom (1990-10-22). "Do We Want Atheist Army?". Waycross Journal-Herald 73 (250): p. 3.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush

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Response to KansDem (Reply #109)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:18 PM

113. Oh us atheists are simply "grave dancing" by bringing up the FACTS of GHW Bush's life. nt



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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:18 PM

114. Fuck him

Pisssssssssssssss

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Response to Melinda (Reply #115)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:22 PM

117. +1.

What Melinda said.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #117)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:32 PM

123. +1.

ditto on what she said

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Response to Melinda (Reply #115)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:30 PM

121. Love You!

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