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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:26 PM

Why is it no one is getting outrage about Wayne La Pierre suggested a mental health database

This was my wife question. She has heard people complain and argue about why IT ISN"T FAIR for gun owners to be placed on a database BUT having a mental illness database gets a shrug of the shoulders by certain people.

Don't they realize the idea of mental illness can range to your "standard definition" of general publics belief mental illness is BUT it can also extend to someone have a terrible time getting over perhaps grief after a love one passes on. In some areas that is now classified as mental illness.

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Reply Why is it no one is getting outrage about Wayne La Pierre suggested a mental health database (Original post)
diabeticman Dec 2012 OP
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #1
diabeticman Dec 2012 #5
salin Dec 2012 #10
Recursion Dec 2012 #2
diabeticman Dec 2012 #4
WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #3
diabeticman Dec 2012 #6
Initech Dec 2012 #7
diabeticman Dec 2012 #11
Initech Dec 2012 #17
diabeticman Dec 2012 #21
Initech Dec 2012 #24
yardwork Dec 2012 #26
Initech Dec 2012 #32
loyalsister Dec 2012 #8
diabeticman Dec 2012 #9
pipoman Dec 2012 #12
sandyshoes17 Dec 2012 #13
bongbong Dec 2012 #37
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #14
Cleita Dec 2012 #15
customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #16
Comatose Sphagetti Dec 2012 #18
customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #22
riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #28
etherealtruth Dec 2012 #40
jody Dec 2012 #19
KT2000 Dec 2012 #20
idwiyo Dec 2012 #23
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #25
riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #27
budkin Dec 2012 #29
Skittles Dec 2012 #30
aikoaiko Dec 2012 #31
slackmaster Dec 2012 #33
LWolf Dec 2012 #34
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #35
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #36
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #38
OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #39

Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:29 PM

1. Apparently you missed Saturday, Sunday, and Monday

But thanks for the support!

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:35 PM

5. She overheard some right wingers talking and it has been eating at her so she finally voiced her

feelings to me.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:42 PM

10. I read the post as generalized past DU.

Per the 'water cooler' type work discussions. Perhaps it was a critique of DU (in which case I agree with you), but I read it as a media/societal commentary

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:30 PM

2. You mean in the media? There's been plenty of outrage here

I think the larger public is better at not feeding trolls than DU is.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:34 PM

4. My wife overhead some wingers talking about it and it has been upsetting her.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:33 PM

3. Your wife sure has a lot of questions.

Has she thought of posting directly? She might enjoy it.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:37 PM

6. She says she's not interested in DU. I just happen to voice her questions or thoughts when

it gets me thinking.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:38 PM

7. I hate to make the comparison but that is extremely Hitler esque.

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Response to Initech (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:43 PM

11. huh? Wayne La Pierre started it when he mentioned this little idea in his "presser"

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Response to diabeticman (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:31 PM

17. Hitler kept a database of Jewish people in Germany and that aided him in carrying out the holocaust.

Last edited Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:40 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to Initech (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:45 AM

21. NO MY WIFE AND I WONDERD WHY PEOPLE DIDN"T GET MORE PISSED OFF AT WAYNE"S

SUGGESTION!!!


WHY A FEW WINGERS IN OUR AREA WOULD START USING THAT TALKING POINT!

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Response to diabeticman (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:25 PM

24. Whoa calm down here... I didn't mean that to offend.

I was just stating a fact - that's what I find so creepy about this thing. And I wonder why more people aren't making that connection.

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Response to Initech (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:29 PM

26. I think that you totally missed the poster's meaning.

You might want to consider self-deleting. The poster is not defending LaPierre or the NRA.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:40 PM

32. I took that part out.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:39 PM

8. It also extends to substance abuse

even alcohol

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:42 PM

9. true, I wonder if La Pierre really thought about that sentence he spoke would he realize that

gun ownership would be so low that HE would be out of a job?

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:46 PM

12. If he is suggesting

anything beyond placing people who have been involuntarily committed into NICS along with people with restraining orders and felons, he is an idiot.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:47 PM

13. It is so messed up

My sister and her family are all right wingers. So they follow the talking points. I couldn't wait till this came up. Her kids are both on meds. One anti anxiety and the other ADHD. I told her would they have to be in the data base, would anyone who was prescribed something be in there? Her face went flush. It's all coming around. Legitimate rape, birth control, guns , now this, they have alot on their plate. It takes alot to be a republican these days. I think she may be rethinking her party. Let's hope. But it's alot for such a regimental party to take, they are coming apart over these issues. Real life will be their downfall it's inevitable.

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Response to sandyshoes17 (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:25 PM

37. Yes, it's happening

 

> It takes alot to be a republican these days.

It was delicious irony to see the repigs spin from "talk only about wedge issues like abortion" to "don't you DARE mention abortion!" in about 3 days this past election season.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:08 PM

14. FYI, current laws concerning firearms and the mentally ill...

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:12 PM

15. If he's the first name on it then maybe it might be worthwhile. n/t

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:19 PM

16. Because it's never going to happen

You will not see a newspaper put up a website with the addresses and locations on a map of the folks who don't have their heads screwed on straight. Newspapers seem to draw the line at that.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:43 PM

18. "folks who don't have their heads screwed on straight"

You, sir, are part of the problem.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:20 AM

22. Pick your favorite euphemism

for those who would shoot up a bunch of kids.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:38 PM

28. 5 myths about mass shootings.... Myth#1. The shooter is insane



http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-mass-shootings/2012/07/27/gJQAcpB8DX_story.html




With 12 dead and 58 injured, the July 20 massacre at the midnight premiere of “The Dark Knight Rises” in Aurora, Colo., is one of the largest mass shootings in U.S. history. Aurora is only 20 miles from Columbine High School, where seniors Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 13 and injured 24 in 1999. We may think we know what makes the perpetrators of mass shootings — mostly boys and men — tick. Though psychology doesn’t always lend itself to hard statistics, there are some patterns that might surprise you.

1. The shooters are insane.

The 2002 Safe School Initiative report, by the Secret Service and the Department of Education, looked at 41 attackers across 37 incidents from 1974 to 2000. It concluded that only 17 percent “had been diagnosed with mental health or behavior disorder prior to the attack.”

snip


Adult and teen shooters do not suddenly snap. Their anger and planning often develop over time. And the more they plan, the more an argument can be made, in the eyes of the law, that they are sane.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:32 PM

40. What about HIPPA laws?

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:46 PM

19. Mayor Thomas M. Menino of Boston and Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York City, cochairmen of Mayors

 

Against Illegal Guns, along with 750 other Mayors want Obama to create a central data base that will include mental-health data on people.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:16 AM

20. his name would be first on the list

his dreaft deferment was for a nervous disorder.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:23 AM

23. I am guessing because majority of the people might think its not a bad idea.

I bet even here on DU there are a lot of people who think it would be just fine and no big deal.



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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:27 PM

25. I was disturbed by that. Not "mentally disturbed," though (just in case someone's going to

put me a in a database).

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:34 PM

27. I heard it here on DU over and over. Yes. Here. Many DAYS before Mr. LaPierre brought it up

Plus its been embraced and theorized as a plausible "solution" to gun violence by no less than 750+ United States Mayors

(http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/home/demandaplan.html)



There are far, FAR too many people who believe that Adam Lanza "must" have had a mental illness to do what he did - even without a shred of evidence that he was mentally ill or was on meds. Doesn't matter in their mind - it "must" be so because otherwise they'd have to look at the real culprit - easy accessibility to firearms regardless of mental health.

The lumping in of gun violence perpetrators as "mentally ill" is disgusting but too many people don't see how abhorrent that is - so they simply accept the premise on its face and continue to smear and hurt good people.



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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:39 PM

29. Because it was so laughable.

Because it was so laughable.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:54 PM

30. because it is the rantings of a rightwing hack

if there was such a database, Mr. La Pierre would be entry number one

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:02 PM

31. There are already mechanisms for placing those who should be prohibited from possessing...


...firearms due to danger to self or others due to mental illness. It involves due process and it is rarely used. The process was expanded and clarified when the NRA and Democrats worked together to improve the law.

Obviously most, the vast majority, of those with mental illness are not dangerous and don't deserve to be on a list of firearm prohibited persons.

Still there may be ways to improve the process of identifying those who are a danger to themselves or others and have that impact their access to firearms.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:41 PM

33. Tempest in a teapot. There already is a database for that purpose.

 

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:45 PM

34. I am outraged

at the overall hateful, corrupt, self-destructive mindset of this nation, and have been for decades now. I no longer respond with outrage to the multitude of examples occurring every day. I've seen very little real commitment to positive change, so I simply expect them.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:47 PM

35. Because people are generally clueless about mental illness

And also because it's a group that's less able to defend itself than a lot of other scapegoat populations.

When most people hear "database of mentally ill people" they just think "we need to keep an eye on them gosh-darned crazy people anyway," as though 25% of the population is some monolithic, deadly entity.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:10 PM

36. This, the definition of Ableism, is extremely revealing.

 

"Ableism; A term used to describe normal assumptions and practices that often lead to unequal treatment of people with apparent or assumed physical, intellectual, or behavioral differences. It could be said, ableism is about categorization and exclusion."

Given me by DU'er Neoma.

Who in history has not profited through demonizing The Other in order to hide their own evil? I am dual diagnosis and I will not allow this to stand, to go unremarked or unchallenged. Hundreds of people have died from guns or been injured since the Sandy Hook shooting, but evidently those are "part of the plan", to quote The Joker. No one seems to care about all of them. I think it's sick, it's a sign of a sick society if it is not upset by common, continuous gun violence.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:27 PM

38. i am. but it's just more of the same, imo. imo, the original sin is the creation of the category

 

'mentally ill' as 'other' in the first place; in the second place, the 'mental health' establishment as a 'caring' establishment; and in the third place, the apparent love of seeing 'mass shooter' and 'mentally ill' as synonymous.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:28 PM

39. Outrage overload I would guess...

 

Gotta pace yourself these days.

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