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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:24 PM

How do you get more progressives to become police officers?

I keep reading about all the CEOs and Wall Street people who need to go to jail, and how many police are not doing their jobs.

Is anyone out there pushing to get more women, people of color, and LGBT police officers in the streets, and then into the upper ranks?

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Reply How do you get more progressives to become police officers? (Original post)
FrodosPet Dec 2012 OP
BainsBane Dec 2012 #1
rrneck Dec 2012 #2
mitchtv Dec 2012 #3
HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #4
IDoMath Dec 2012 #5
mythology Dec 2012 #6
Glassunion Dec 2012 #7
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #8
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #9
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #10

Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:25 PM

1. that falls to prosecutors, not police

Police don't decide whom to prosecute.

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:30 PM

2. Pay 'em. nt

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:37 PM

3. raise more bullies

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:03 PM

4. Tampa's chief of police is a lesbian.

She seems to be doing a real good job. I don't know what her politics are.

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:23 PM

5. You are confusing justice and order

 

The police exist to maintain order.

Progressives have a strong sense of promoting justice.

These two concepts are often confused but are, in fact, very different.

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:01 AM

6. As others have noted, the police don't actually prosecute

But you'd have to change what society wants and the structure of the police.

The structure of the police, by their nature an institution isolated from the rest of society. It's not uncommon sports teams have a similar sort of incestuous culture. It helps to breed a camaraderie that is necessary to put the larger organization in a position to succeed. But that often breeds into itself an exclusionary tactic. Whether it's a locker room culture, or just distrust of outsiders.

But society as a whole seems to want criminals to go away even if we don't always agree on who the right criminals are. Look at the response here to the woman who alleged she was attacked and lit on fire by three white guys. Most people I saw were outraged that the crime wasn't immediately labeled a hate crime. I didn't see all of those people apologize when it was discovered that she did it to herself. Wanting street justice quickly is human nature, but it's not pretty.

Also I don't think that a lot of the people who say that CEOs or Wall Street executives need to be arrested overestimate what is illegal by thinking about what maybe should be illegal. A lot of what was done was technically legal, just immoral by my standards.

If you want a police force and justice system as a whole that better represents the interests of people, work to elect better people to office at every level. They will create better laws and a better legal structure.

Also work to create civilian review boards of cops. They can't watch themselves. Cops fight against it, but I think it creates a better sense of accountability for cops if they know they have real oversight.

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:58 AM

7. Lower their IQ.

It has long been the story of police departments denying applications if the applicant's IQ is too high.

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:08 AM

8. Require all new recruits to have at least a bachelor's degree.

I think in general more educated cops are more progressive cops.

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:31 AM

9. I find the demographics of little value. The police problems are systemic and mission

the faces are inconsequential.

Law enforcement grabs more headlines and bigger budgets than peace keeping and protecting the public.
Law enforcement is also self perpetuating, the more busts the more laws and resources.

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Response to FrodosPet (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:02 AM

10. There used to be a lot more of them. Fascist laws and a hostile police culture pushed them out.

 

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