Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:50 PM

Taverner (53,280 posts)

If you support the RTKBA over the right to life - you are not a progressive

The term for you is REGRESSIVE

As in, you want the world to be one, bug painball game or laser tag game - only people really die. Whoopee!!!

Now you can have both, but not BUDGING an INCH on gun safety issues shows you for the thug you are.

There is NO FUCKING REASON anyone needs semi-auto weapons.

If you feel your rights are threatened by this, then you don't value MY right to live.

IF you don't value my rights, you are a fascist, plain and simple.

So what is it going to be?

Value life?

Or fetishize weapons?
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We all know the REAL reason you want big guns, and I'm sorry you were born that way.

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154 replies	Author	Time	Post
If you support the RTKBA over the right to life - you are not a progressive (Original post)	Taverner	Dec 2012	OP
+A Bunch.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#1
Anyone who kicks in the front door of someone's home	TheMoreYouKnow	Dec 2012	#2
If that happens, your gun won't save you	Taverner	Dec 2012	#4
I don't own and carry a firearm because it might happen	TheMoreYouKnow	Dec 2012	#11
Why does everyone that ever defended themsleves with a firearm also own such cheap doors?	Ikonoklast	Dec 2012	#51
This message was hidden by jury decision.	TheMoreYouKnow	Dec 2012	#57
What did you replace the "kicked-in" door with?	Ikonoklast	Dec 2012	#60
What do military tactical experts do to minimize the attack?	LiberalFighter	Dec 2012	#104
First thing I did when I bought this house years ago was replace the front door.	Ikonoklast	Dec 2012	#131
It's because most of these stories are made up	Taverner	Dec 2012	#70
Try to kick down even a cheap front door.	Ikonoklast	Dec 2012	#92
We lived in a double wide for awhile and it had the cheapest doors EVER.	renie408	Dec 2012	#136
Because instead of giving themselves seconds to arm/discourage via steel doors and frames	DainBramaged	Dec 2012	#126
Guns and such anger don't mix well.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#54
neither do legal gun owners and people looking to cause them harm.	TheMoreYouKnow	Dec 2012	#58
I sure hope you don't pack in public as well.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#61
I've carried legally for as long as I can remember	TheMoreYouKnow	Dec 2012	#63
Typical gun toter rhetoric. Tell your boy LaPierre hello.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#65
It was ever so brief.	Ikonoklast	Dec 2012	#94
Another right wing gun cultist entering and welcomed by Gungeoneers.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#108
You assume, wrongly, that anyone who carries has a chip on his/her shoulder.	Bake	Dec 2012	#117
Women tend to be more responsible than men about guns.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#121
So the law abiding citizens don't get to jog in the park.	Bake	Dec 2012	#149
George Zimmerman, Loughner, Holmes, Stawicki, etc., were all law-abiding according to gun	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#150
Sorry. I can carry legally.	Bake	Dec 2012	#151
Lots of things are legal, yet immoral, menace to society, etc.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#152
The gun is an inanimate object, neither moral nor immoral.	Bake	Dec 2012	#153
That's just the way Hoyt is to anyone that doesn't drink his koolaide	rl6214	Dec 2012	#140
And 1 arsehole in a 1000 survives being ejected from...	TheMadMonk	Dec 2012	#99
You are dead wrong on that one. 18 yo mother, husband died of cancer on Christmas	jtuck004	Dec 2012	#67
Interesting you said shotgun.	OrwellwasRight	Dec 2012	#75
There are semi-automatic shotguns. There are shotguns that are assault weapons (nt)	Recursion	Dec 2012	#89
Then not those.	Taverner	Dec 2012	#93
No one? Really?	Bake	Dec 2012	#119
Actually a shotgun is often a semi-automatic weapon, and some other reading I have	jtuck004	Dec 2012	#148
Just let me know...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#96
Ah the "superspy comes to kill me" defense...	Taverner	Dec 2012	#97
There's this term.	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#100
Does not follow - which is YOUR argument	Taverner	Dec 2012	#101
Really n/t	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#109
We agree about that. Some of us have legit reasons to fear Concealed Carry in PUBLIC.	patrice	Dec 2012	#15
Agreed - Concealed Carry Is Menace To Society	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#59
There are places I would like to go, but I don't AND I'm not the only one AND that fact, plane &	patrice	Dec 2012	#62
You seem to enjoy this fantasy	Floyd_Gondolli	Dec 2012	#26
What kind of fucking moron would see their family being in harm's way	TheMoreYouKnow	Dec 2012	#28
The kind who is into hero fantasies?	Floyd_Gondolli	Dec 2012	#29
great, then talk to gun nuts about that	TheMoreYouKnow	Dec 2012	#31
Lock and load!	Floyd_Gondolli	Dec 2012	#32
This message was self-deleted by its author	99th_Monkey	Dec 2012	#56
the usual paranoia strikes again	Skittles	Dec 2012	#39
That is an exceptionally bold statement.	Indydem	Dec 2012	#3
I think that there is a difference between gun owner and gun NUT.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#5
+100000	Taverner	Dec 2012	#7
Unfortunately that isnot the prevailing idea around here.	Indydem	Dec 2012	#9
Oh, bull... you're wrong on that being the 'prevailing idea around here'.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#12
I've spent the last 2 weeks getting destroyed.	Indydem	Dec 2012	#16
Depends on how you define "prevailing"	Jeff In Milwaukee	Dec 2012	#22
Check out their transparency page. Quite revealing.	Electric Monk	Dec 2012	#55
Lots of anger there....against words posted by a stranger, on an internet board.	Ikonoklast	Dec 2012	#64
I don't know about prevailing, but he's right that gun owners generally have been called nuts here..	Honeycombe8	Dec 2012	#82
While I am not in the camp you describe, I shed no tears for you. You have the NRA and PLENTY of	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#87
Anything going on on this board, you MUST factor in trollery of one degree or another.	patrice	Dec 2012	#25
Am I a gun owner, or a gun nut?	shadowrider	Dec 2012	#33
I don't know you, but you're clearly willing to discuss things that can be done. My vote is NOT nut.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#36
if you keep asking people to define "gun nut"	Skittles	Dec 2012	#41
If you agree with anything Ted Nugent says, YOU ARE MOST DEFINITELY A GUN NUT.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#43
OMG PeaceNikki	Skittles	Dec 2012	#45
If your firearm has a name...you might be a gun nut	Taverner	Dec 2012	#71
Especially if your firearm is your baby.	LiberalFighter	Dec 2012	#111
I have no problems with a gun	Taverner	Dec 2012	#6
Isn't RKBA kind of about using the guns for killing people though?	rbixby	Dec 2012	#81
Many here think killing someone is just like in Rambo...	Taverner	Dec 2012	#84
This tantrum totally persuaded me to the OPs position	cthulu2016	Dec 2012	#8
poor thing has been neglected and is searching for the Mother Love.	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#44
Honestly! I'm not entirely comfortable, but willing to compromise a little to respect the rights of	patrice	Dec 2012	#10
I just get sick of the knee jerk reaction to any talk of regulation	Taverner	Dec 2012	#14
Most handguns are semi-auto	shadowrider	Dec 2012	#34
Plenty of revolvers are on the market	theKed	Dec 2012	#129
Plenty of revolvers are on the market	theKed	Dec 2012	#130
My vision of the future, especially the future for more troubled cohorts, in their OWN communities	patrice	Dec 2012	#52
Seems to me that just gives name calling a new suit of clothes	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#13
I'm so out of the loop.	Blue_In_AK	Dec 2012	#17
right to keep and bear arms	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#20
Well, duh.	Blue_In_AK	Dec 2012	#24
Oops, when you mentioned the 'right to life', I thought you were saying you supported...	OneMoreDemocrat	Dec 2012	#18
"Right to Life"	atreides1	Dec 2012	#19
I thought the same thing...	Jeff In Milwaukee	Dec 2012	#23
Sorry - best I could come up with	Taverner	Dec 2012	#27
They do need a new way of referring to authentic Right to Life that recognizes OUR very very real	patrice	Dec 2012	#37
Yes. Exactly.	Taverner	Dec 2012	#79
K&R	Whovian	Dec 2012	#21
No. Tell me Big Guy exactly, how was I born?	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#30
lol!! nt	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#38
False dilemma, a common logical fallacy	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#35
Both sides practice this	Floyd_Gondolli	Dec 2012	#40
but, which side started this thread?	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#46
Meh....sort of irrelevant	Floyd_Gondolli	Dec 2012	#48
very much relevant to this thread. IF? please. I changed your Momma's diapers.	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#50
My biggest fan! If I said the sky was blue, you'd claim it was red.	Taverner	Dec 2012	#78
Floyd_Gondolli, is that you? did you get you get your socks confused?	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#80
news from you - I am, and have only ever been, Taverner	Taverner	Dec 2012	#83
Then; Why are You all up in this subthread chasing me down, stalker.	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#85
That's not me...	Taverner	Dec 2012	#88
like I always say, better pissed off than pissed on. C ya, Floyd_Gondolli, dueces.	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#90
Chickens most definitely came first	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#47
Nice false dichotomy ya got there.	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2012	#42
You seem to be confusing RTKBA with supporting assault weapons	michigandem58	Dec 2012	#49
You seem to be confusing your trolling with something meaninfgul	Taverner	Dec 2012	#77
So you oppose a woman's right to choice?	Egalitarian Thug	Dec 2012	#53
Right to life not in the Anti Abortion context	Taverner	Dec 2012	#76
You seem to have missed the main point. That being about absolutes and the implied second	Egalitarian Thug	Dec 2012	#138
Ah once again the Not True Scotsman arguement raises it head	hootinholler	Dec 2012	#66
Ah the "names are meaningless" fallacy	Taverner	Dec 2012	#72
To the contrary	hootinholler	Dec 2012	#122
I don't understand why we can't just do the same as	abelenkpe	Dec 2012	#68
Because Gun Nuts would rather everyone die in a standoff...	Taverner	Dec 2012	#74
Oh, look: yet more bullshit amateur psychoanalysis...	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2012	#91
I support your right to be an idiot.	Swamp Lover	Dec 2012	#69
Does your "piece" have a name?	Taverner	Dec 2012	#73
No. My daughter and my graddaughter have names.	Swamp Lover	Dec 2012	#154
This message was hidden by jury decision.	pasto76	Dec 2012	#86
So youre implying rightful gun owners are " fascists " and dont care about your life?	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#95
I understood it to be directed at those who totally refuse to budge and discuss gun control.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#98
We discuss gun control all the time.	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#105
I don't read it that way at ALL, but I have no guns I cling to.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#107
Yah well, then you didnt read it too objectivly at all.	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#110
lol, I just want it better fucking REGULATED, dude. That's my fucking 'problem'.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#112
I have a problem with the name calling, " dude ".	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#115
I see. I didn't realize gun owners were such delicate flowers whose feelings are hurt so easily	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#120
Ahh so now youre implying we're listening to right wing media and the NRA??	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#123
Only if you totally refuse to budge on gun control.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#125
Youre throwing insults left and right just like the OP, but claim you want a serious discussion	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#127
WTF? You're fucking paranoid. I've thrown no insults.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#128
Oh you havent? just read your last few posts to me again.	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#132
Study: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoid	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#133
Gun owners hAVE budged, LOTS of inches.	beevul	Dec 2012	#147
It depends. Are those "Rightful" gun owners determined to hold onto their assault weapons?	Savannahmann	Dec 2012	#102
Where is the OP refering only to assault weapons?	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#106
I agree. Semi automatic weapons have no place in a civilized society.	Initech	Dec 2012	#103
You do not get to define "progressive" for anyone but yourself.	Demo_Chris	Dec 2012	#113
This ^^^ is one of...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#116
+1	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#118
What the fuck does abortion have to do with RBKA?	REP	Dec 2012	#114
+1,000 + a gazillion.	DainBramaged	Dec 2012	#124
I'm so tired of people trying to define what a progressive is and isn't.	Th1onein	Dec 2012	#134
lol. of course you are.	PeaceNikki	Dec 2012	#135
Finally we learn who defines "progressive"	OmahaBlueDog	Dec 2012	#137
Maybe if you would grow up people would pay attention to your posts	rl6214	Dec 2012	#139
Big man - willing to back that up?	Taverner	Dec 2012	#142
What are you going to do...beat me up after school	rl6214	Dec 2012	#144
I don't see why it's an either/or.	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#141
+1	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#143
Better watch out...the op will ask you if you are willing to back that up	rl6214	Dec 2012	#145
Whoa..."value life" really? When did you go vegan, Tav?	flvegan	Dec 2012	#146

Response to Taverner (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:52 PM

Hoyt (12,144 posts)

If you support the RTKBA over the right to life - you are not a progressive

1. +A Bunch.

2. Anyone who kicks in the front door of someone's home

4. If that happens, your gun won't save you

11. I don't own and carry a firearm because it might happen

51. Why does everyone that ever defended themsleves with a firearm also own such cheap doors?

60. What did you replace the "kicked-in" door with?

104. What do military tactical experts do to minimize the attack?

131. First thing I did when I bought this house years ago was replace the front door.

70. It's because most of these stories are made up

92. Try to kick down even a cheap front door.

136. We lived in a double wide for awhile and it had the cheapest doors EVER.

126. Because instead of giving themselves seconds to arm/discourage via steel doors and frames

54. Guns and such anger don't mix well.

58. neither do legal gun owners and people looking to cause them harm.

61. I sure hope you don't pack in public as well.

63. I've carried legally for as long as I can remember

65. Typical gun toter rhetoric. Tell your boy LaPierre hello.

94. It was ever so brief.

108. Another right wing gun cultist entering and welcomed by Gungeoneers.

117. You assume, wrongly, that anyone who carries has a chip on his/her shoulder.

121. Women tend to be more responsible than men about guns.

149. So the law abiding citizens don't get to jog in the park.

150. George Zimmerman, Loughner, Holmes, Stawicki, etc., were all law-abiding according to gun

151. Sorry. I can carry legally.

152. Lots of things are legal, yet immoral, menace to society, etc.

153. The gun is an inanimate object, neither moral nor immoral.

140. That's just the way Hoyt is to anyone that doesn't drink his koolaide

99. And 1 arsehole in a 1000 survives being ejected from...

67. You are dead wrong on that one. 18 yo mother, husband died of cancer on Christmas

75. Interesting you said shotgun.

89. There are semi-automatic shotguns. There are shotguns that are assault weapons (nt)

93. Then not those.

119. No one? Really?

148. Actually a shotgun is often a semi-automatic weapon, and some other reading I have

96. Just let me know...

97. Ah the "superspy comes to kill me" defense...

100. There's this term.

101. Does not follow - which is YOUR argument

109. Really n/t

15. We agree about that. Some of us have legit reasons to fear Concealed Carry in PUBLIC.

59. Agreed - Concealed Carry Is Menace To Society

62. There are places I would like to go, but I don't AND I'm not the only one AND that fact, plane &

26. You seem to enjoy this fantasy

28. What kind of fucking moron would see their family being in harm's way

29. The kind who is into hero fantasies?

31. great, then talk to gun nuts about that

32. Lock and load!

39. the usual paranoia strikes again

3. That is an exceptionally bold statement.

5. I think that there is a difference between gun owner and gun NUT.

7. +100000

9. Unfortunately that isnot the prevailing idea around here.

12. Oh, bull... you're wrong on that being the 'prevailing idea around here'.

16. I've spent the last 2 weeks getting destroyed.

22. Depends on how you define "prevailing"

55. Check out their transparency page. Quite revealing.

64. Lots of anger there....against words posted by a stranger, on an internet board.

82. I don't know about prevailing, but he's right that gun owners generally have been called nuts here..

87. While I am not in the camp you describe, I shed no tears for you. You have the NRA and PLENTY of

25. Anything going on on this board, you MUST factor in trollery of one degree or another.

33. Am I a gun owner, or a gun nut?

36. I don't know you, but you're clearly willing to discuss things that can be done. My vote is NOT nut.

41. if you keep asking people to define "gun nut"

43. If you agree with anything Ted Nugent says, YOU ARE MOST DEFINITELY A GUN NUT.

45. OMG PeaceNikki

71. If your firearm has a name...you might be a gun nut

111. Especially if your firearm is your baby.

6. I have no problems with a gun

81. Isn't RKBA kind of about using the guns for killing people though?

84. Many here think killing someone is just like in Rambo...

8. This tantrum totally persuaded me to the OPs position

44. poor thing has been neglected and is searching for the Mother Love.

10. Honestly! I'm not entirely comfortable, but willing to compromise a little to respect the rights of

14. I just get sick of the knee jerk reaction to any talk of regulation

34. Most handguns are semi-auto

129. Plenty of revolvers are on the market

130. Plenty of revolvers are on the market

52. My vision of the future, especially the future for more troubled cohorts, in their OWN communities

13. Seems to me that just gives name calling a new suit of clothes