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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:29 PM

Ernst RUDIN became the Third Reich's Psychiatrist and a world leading eugenicist Final Solution med

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ical prostitute of policies, let's discuss MENTAL HEALTH in it's entirety including the Behavioral Sciences of the MKULTRA crimes.

Swiss psychiatrist Ernst RUDIN links you can find everywhere, people.

Here are some of the ignored ISSUES of MENTAL HEALTH Professionals.

Nuremberg Lamentation: For the Forgotten Victims of Medical Science
by William E. Seidelman, MD (pdf)
http://www.ippnw.org/pdf/mgs/3-seidelman.pdf

The Nazi Doctors by Robert Jay Lifton
http://www.holocaust-history.org/lifton/Liftonindex.shtml

The Hidden Side of Psychiatry by Gary Null Ph.D
http://www.operationmorningstar.org/hidden_side_of_psychiatry.htm

War Against the Weak (Edwin Black)
http://www.american-buddha.com/lit/waragainstweakblack.2.13.htm

let's discuss mental health here at the end of 2012...

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Reply Ernst RUDIN became the Third Reich's Psychiatrist and a world leading eugenicist Final Solution med (Original post)
bobthedrummer Dec 2012 OP
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zappaman Dec 2012 #6
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SidDithers Dec 2012 #11
bobthedrummer Dec 2012 #12
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Ohio Joe Dec 2012 #20
zappaman Dec 2012 #21
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #9
bobthedrummer Dec 2012 #10
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bobthedrummer Dec 2012 #14
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Response to bobthedrummer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:37 PM

1. Declassified MKULTRA documents (Michael Robinett)

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Response to bobthedrummer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:39 PM

2. WOW, a thread that goes Godwin in the OP! n/t

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:05 PM

3. Ever been "influenced" by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation/FMSF, RomneyLies?

False Memory Syndrome Foundation official site
http://www.fmsf.org

Families are still living the nightmare of false memories of sexual abuse by Chris French (4-7-07 Guardian Science article)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/apr/07/sexual-abuse-false-memory-syndrome

Join the discussion...

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:10 PM

4. Is Godwin in play if the OP IS about NAZIs?

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Response to ElbarDee (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:23 PM

5. Only in the historical context-which is everything ElbarDee. Here are some other mental health

links to consider in the broader ethical/moral/spiritual dilemma.

CIA and Behavior Control
http://www.cia-on-campus.org/social/behavior.html

The Hidden Tragedy of the CIA's Experiments on Children (Truthout 08)
http://archive.truthout.org/the-hidden-tragedy-cias-experiments-children62208

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Response to bobthedrummer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:25 PM

6. This belongs in CREATIVE SPECULATION

Wrong forum...

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Response to zappaman (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:27 PM

7. Says you-zappaman-or says the ADMIN?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:29 PM

8. I have simply no idea about what you mean, zappaman. Make your case with an ALERT...

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Response to zappaman (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:34 PM

11. This belongs in the trash can...

one of the websites linked give us this beauty:

Jewish Exploitation of American Indians Starting With Columbus


Linking to anti-Semitic conspiracy bullshit websites should be an immediate pizza, as far as I'm concerned.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:37 PM

12. You make me laugh after al these years, punkname branded....


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Response to bobthedrummer (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:44 PM

15. Hey, did you know that Gary Null poisoned himself with his own brand of supplements?...

seriously, you can't make that shit up.

But you think he's a reliable source. Too fucking funny.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:46 PM

20. WTF? Thats some nasty shit... I sent in a ToS alert

The Jury went 2-4 to leave it (not my alert, I was after the first alert), I hope the Admins do a better job then the Jury and give a pizza for this shit.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:12 PM

21. Yeah, me too.

Just sickening...

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Response to bobthedrummer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:31 PM

9. Don't drink the brown eggnog man n/t



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:33 PM

10. I did eat the brown LSD back in the daze....also the candy store specials....

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Response to bobthedrummer (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:37 PM

13. !

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:39 PM

14. Molecular epidemiology got it's strat with LSD too

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Response to bobthedrummer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:45 PM

16. The current state of the profession called MENTAL HEALTH here in The United States of America is

appalling, it is largely the 21st Century Dark Ages when it comes to mental health, isn't it?
Cheryl Welsh has a website that examines this fact with supressed facts and critics.
Mind Justice
http://mindjustice.org

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Response to bobthedrummer (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:48 PM

17. You're all over the map in this thread.

Is your point simply that psychiatry is evil? In any case, linking to anti-semitic sites is not a good thing to do, and scoffing at someone who points it out is really bizarre.

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Response to bobthedrummer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:05 PM

18. NAZI psychiatrist had plenty of friends in American 'Society.'

The Class War is an old war.



The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

Edwin Black
Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 00:10

Mr. Black is the author of IBM and the Holocaust and the just released War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race, from which the following article is drawn.

Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a co-called "Master Race."

But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.

Eugenics was the racist pseudoscience determined to wipe away all human beings deemed "unfit," preserving only those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. Elements of the philosophy were enshrined as national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions, enacted in twenty-seven states. In 1909, California became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics practitioners coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in "colonies," and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. Before World War II, nearly half of coercive sterilizations were done in California, and even after the war, the state accounted for a third of all such surgeries.

California was considered an epicenter of the American eugenics movement. During the Twentieth Century's first decades, California's eugenicists included potent but little known race scientists, such as Army venereal disease specialist Dr. Paul Popenoe, citrus magnate and Polytechnic benefactor Paul Gosney, Sacramento banker Charles M. Goethe, as well as members of the California State Board of Charities and Corrections and the University of California Board of Regents.

Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America's most respected scientists hailing from such prestigious universities as Stamford, Yale, Harvard, and Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims.

Stanford president David Starr Jordan originated the notion of "race and blood" in his 1902 racial epistle "Blood of a Nation," in which the university scholar declared that human qualities and conditions such as talent and poverty were passed through the blood.

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http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html



Discussed a bit about this on the Old DU:

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

Thank you for caring about the truth and not what the goblins think, bobthedrummer.

PS: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

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Response to bobthedrummer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:33 PM

19. Two excellent books on the CIA experiments with LSD



Storming Heaven: LSD and the American Dream by Jay Stevens

Editorial Reviews

Stevens has written a gripping account of the use and abuse of mind-altering drugs in recent decades. He explains the fascination of mescaline and psilocybin for psychologists interested in behaviorial change. He documents the insidious role of the CIA in testing mind-control drugs. He traces the convoluted path of Timothy Leary from his position as research psychologist at Harvard to his role as guru advocating the use of LSD to achieve spiritual utopia. He descibes the outwardly placid social climate of the 1950s, and vividly contrasts the dramatic upheavals of the 60s, sketching pulsing portraits of Allen Ginsberg, Aldous Huxley, and Jack Kerouac. Packed with facts, this is social history at its most compelling. Carol R. Glatt, New Jersey Bioethics Commission, Trenton


The definitive account of the quest for chemical transcendence. "The most compelling account yet of how . . . hallucinogenic, or 'psychedelic,' drugs became an explosive force in postwar American history."--Newsweek

http://www.amazon.com/Storming-Heaven-LSD-American-Dream/dp/0802135870/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356549544&sr=1-1&keywords=LSD+and+the+American+Dream+Storming+Heaven


Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: The CIA, the Sixties, and Beyond by Lee and Shlain

Acid Dreams is the complete social history of LSD and the counterculture it helped to define in the sixties. Martin Lee and Bruce Shlain's exhaustively researched and astonishing account-part of it gleaned from secret government files-tells how the CIA became obsessed with LSD as an espionage weapon during the early l950s and launched a massive covert research program, in which countless unwitting citizens were used as guinea pigs. Though the CIA was intent on keeping the drug to itself, it ultimately couldn't prevent it from spreading into the popular culture; here LSD had a profound impact and helped spawn a political and social upheaval that changed the face of America. From the clandestine operations of the government to the escapades of Timothy Leary, Abbie Hoffman, Ken Kesey and his Merry Pranksters, Allen Ginsberg, and many others, Acid Dreams provides an important and entertaining account that goes to the heart of a turbulent period in our history. "Engaging throughout . . . at once entertaining and disturbing." - Andrew Weil, M.D., The Nation; "Marvelously detailed . . . loaded with startling revelations." - Los Angeles Daily News; "An engrossing account of a period . . . when a tiny psychoactive molecule affected almost every aspect of Western life." - William S. Burroughs; "An important historical synthesis of the spread and effects of a drug that served as a central metaphor for an era." - John Sayles.

http://www.amazon.com/Acid-Dreams-Complete-History-Sixties/dp/0802130623/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356549991&sr=1-1&keywords=Acid+Dreams

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Response to bobthedrummer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:46 PM

22. Locking

This violates the SoP of this Forum.

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