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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:17 AM

Does the gun control argument need to be reframed?

There seems to be some genuine movement in making some changes to restrict gun ownership in this country in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and now Webster.

But is a move to *possibly* restrict large clips, or rapid fire arms as a baby step the way to go?

Should the opening salvo be, "Let's eliminate guns altogether" and let the negotiations begin from there?

When I consider how the right frames their arguments, be it the NRA, or anti-abortion groups, etc, there is always an absolute claim made, from which the discussion is negotiated.

What do you think?

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Response to Not Me (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:21 AM

1. The fringe always defines the debate.

You need anchor people on both ends of the rope if you want to have a chance at pulling things to the center.

Notable to the tug-of-war metaphor, things are mighty muddy there in the middle.

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Response to Not Me (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:22 AM

2. It definitely needs to be comprehensive. Just limiting high capacity magazines is a joke.


That won't get the job done.

Although I would not be opposed to starting with "all guns," I think eliminating the "family deer rifle" (as one poster put it) would be a tough start.

I have no problem with the banning the family "assault" weapons though. In fact, one of our biggest problem is those who actually think "assault" weapons are a great way to spend a family outing.

BTW -- I consider assault weapons as just about any semi-automatic, rifle or handgun. If we banned those, the gun industry would all but dry up.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:28 AM

5. Some are more open to change...

For example, myself. I own an assault rifle. I only fire it at the range. Little to no ammunition for it is kept in my home. Yes, I go with my family to the range with it. Family outing.

However, I'm fine giving it up if called upon to do so. I don't use it to hunt or to protect my family.

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Response to LP2K12 (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:37 AM

7. I wish more gun owners felt like you.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:58 AM

11. I do as well.

I don't know how they can't feel it. Newton killed a piece of me. I have three kids. Aged five, three and eighteen months. I was already willing to support reform, but that day made me passionate about it.

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Response to Not Me (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:23 AM

3. It seems to me that this is a kind of thing where one side will win at the expense of the other.

I don't see there is going to be a win win agreement to this issue. Which ever side is the strongest will win.

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Response to Not Me (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:23 AM

4. I think it's a loser of an idea no matter how it's presented

 

But that won't stop the Gladys Kravitz's of the world from pursuing it anyway.

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Response to Not Me (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:28 AM

6. A better strategy could hardly be desired...for those who want no further restrictions.

Such a strategy would only play into the hands of those who would (not without justification, apparently) claim "See? that's what they have wanted all along: to completely eliminate civilian ownership of guns!" It would light a fire under the people who currently think "well, they're not after my deer rifle..."

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Response to Not Me (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:38 AM

8. Politics is the art of the possible

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Response to Not Me (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:44 AM

9. Its being tried

Not sure how successful it will be

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Response to Not Me (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:46 AM

10. That would greatly empower the NRA and make it easier to dismiss all attempts.


Its a very easy strategy to defeat. All they have to do is say, "go ahead" and let it fail.

At that point every more reasonable attempt can be framed as small step to the real goal of "eliminate guns altogether."

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