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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:28 AM

Could Crazy Wayne be Suffering from a Mental Illness?

Are we going to find out someday that Crazy Wayne was himself suffering from a mental illness, such as paranoia, delusions, bipolar, narcissistic disorder, ...


... and a generation of gun policies (or lack thereof) were drafted through the advise and threats received from someone suffering from such disorders?

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Reply Could Crazy Wayne be Suffering from a Mental Illness? (Original post)
samsingh Dec 2012 OP
HappyMe Dec 2012 #1
LiberalEsto Dec 2012 #2
louis-t Dec 2012 #4
LiberalEsto Dec 2012 #8
louis-t Dec 2012 #35
samsingh Dec 2012 #22
Hoyt Dec 2012 #3
samsingh Dec 2012 #31
Lint Head Dec 2012 #5
samsingh Dec 2012 #30
Coyotl Dec 2012 #6
libodem Dec 2012 #7
Denninmi Dec 2012 #20
laundry_queen Dec 2012 #21
samsingh Dec 2012 #23
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #9
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #10
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #11
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #12
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #13
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #33
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #39
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #16
loyalsister Dec 2012 #44
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #50
loyalsister Dec 2012 #54
spin Dec 2012 #32
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #37
spin Dec 2012 #42
samsingh Dec 2012 #26
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #36
samsingh Dec 2012 #45
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #15
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #17
samsingh Dec 2012 #27
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #18
samsingh Dec 2012 #24
farminator3000 Dec 2012 #14
mainer Dec 2012 #19
samsingh Dec 2012 #25
spin Dec 2012 #34
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #38
spin Dec 2012 #41
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #51
riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #52
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #53
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #47
elleng Dec 2012 #28
samsingh Dec 2012 #29
samsingh Dec 2012 #46
elleng Dec 2012 #49
Recursion Dec 2012 #40
KT2000 Dec 2012 #43
Recursion Dec 2012 #48

Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:32 AM

1. Really?



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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:40 AM

2. Perhaps his name, Wayne, is part of his problem

Various people have written about the number of criminals with the middle name Wayne.

http://www.newsoftheweird.com/wayne.html

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:04 AM

4. Note how many are from Texas.

The state with the highest rate execution rate. Gee, I thought the death penalty makes people think twice before murdering someone.

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Response to louis-t (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:16 PM

8. Maybe it was the most popular middle name in TX? nt

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:08 PM

35. Hmmmm.

I suppose it's possible.

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:24 PM

22. i've heard of that connection as well. it's weird.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:00 AM

3. LaPierre Disease.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:37 PM

31. that he has passed on to become a pandemic

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:02 PM

5. Wayne is delusional and paranoid.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:37 PM

30. and his articulation of a fortified police state as a model for America

fits this description nicely

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:05 PM

6. In the United States, paranoid and delusional is

a political party, not a disorder

Seriously, paranoid is a marketing tactic if you are in the guns and ammo business.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:14 PM

7. So true

Grandiose Oppositional Paranoid Party.

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Response to libodem (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:58 PM

20. Good one!

LOL!

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Response to libodem (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:12 PM

21. LOL. Truth in jest. nt

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:25 PM

23. paranoia is a clinical condition that afflicts some personalities

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:17 PM

9. I'm as anti-gun as they come, but I don't think it's a great idea to assign mental illness

to everyone we disagree with. Believe me, I get what you're saying. But Li'l Wayne is the guy who wants to start a "registry" of the mentally ill, and I just don't want to see DU acting like him.

He's a fascist, conscience-less asshole, that's for sure.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:20 PM

10. It sort of cheapens and demeans legitimate sufferers of

 

mental illness also who are no more responsible for their afflictions than are victims of cancer or obesity.

Thanks for your comment, btw. Proves how civilized DU can often be.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:26 PM

11. Thanks. I appreciate your calling me civilized...

because you cannot imagine the shit I've been called in the last few weeks. Someone (not on DU) called me a Westboro Baptist style fundamentalist because I don't like guns.

But to your larger point: yes. Lots of discriminatory language has been flying around here lately. I'm sure I've been guilty of it myself.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:34 PM

12. Oh, I can imagine, I think. When it starts to get a bit intense, remember

 

what happened to William Moore back in 1963 and it won't seem quite so bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lewis_Moore

This coming April will mark the 50th anniversary of Moore's death. Moore, a sufferer of schizophrenia, died so others could be free.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:37 PM

13. Wow. I knew about him, but I didn't know the whole story.

Thanks. What an amazing person.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:06 PM

33. I only stumbled upon Moore's story this holiday season while reading

 

Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History, very tangential to Bugliosi's nominal subject but grabbed my attention straight away.

I received death threats and was the victim of physical assault while protesting against Bush and Cheney here from 2001-2008, so I was struck by Moore's story. Such an act of fundamental decency and to be so rewarded (Moore, I mean). Made for a somewhat somber holiday for me this year, as if there weren't already reason enough for a somber holiday.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:25 PM

39. Indeed. But thank you for sharing.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:47 PM

16. People like that don't have enough statues. (nt)

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:39 PM

44. WOW!


I did not know about this guy. It's sad to see so few references.

Thank you!!

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #44)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:38 AM

50. As I wrote upthread, I had never heard of Moore before this holiday weekend, and I

 

consider myself fairly well read in the histories of the 60s and the Civil Rights Movement.

He should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, imo. Not that he will be.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #50)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:06 PM

54. Same here- particularly disability history

I just started "A Disability History of the United States," and he's not listed in the index. I agree that he should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor or at least some post humus recognition. His is a story that should be told.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:59 PM

32. I am a gun owner and be aware that I have been insulted many times here on DU ...

and especially in the last few weeks.

But I am never offended by these insults as I realize that firearms have caused personal tragedy in many lives.

Some may find it hard to believe but the majority of gun owners also want to see gun violence decrease in our nation and would like to the effective improvements to our nation's gun laws.

We might find it far easier to find some common ground if we simply stop insulting each other.

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Response to spin (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:23 PM

37. I believe you, absolutely.

And I'm generally not personally offended by insults, although "westboro baptist" was a bridge too far, as I'm sure most DUers would agree.

But to use mental illness as a catch-all to explain what we don't like is pretty crappy. Many, many people have mental illnesses of one kind or another, and the vast majority of them are not criminals. I'm sure lots of DUers have sought help for a mental health issue at some point in their lives.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #37)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:11 PM

42. What I fear is that some of those who actually do need counseling ...

may decide to avoid it because it might affect their right to own firearms. We have to be very careful how we handle the issue of mental health.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:30 PM

26. it was not intended to belittle mental illness at all

some suffer nobly and attempt to get better. Others go into denial and either hurt themselves and, in cases like crazy wayne, others.

interestingly, it was like a subconcious hint when wayne invited others to call him crazy. sort of fessing up in public.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #26)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:14 PM

36. I know it wasn't intended by you and I'm sorry if I gave off those vibes (which were also not

 

intended). I was hoping to launch a broad plea to the DU community not to belittle the mentally ill by linking them with people like LaPierre. I'll grant you that LaPierre could probably do with a session with the MMPI, but mental illness is already so stigmatized in our society that anything that adds to that stigma is something I try to caution against.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #36)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:24 PM

45. thanks.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:45 PM

15. I don't want..

to see a National Registry of the mentally ill.This violates their right to privacy and violates the Americans with Disabilities Act.There are lots of mentally ill people who work. I would not want too see them lose jobs behind someone finding their names on some registry.This will only create a climate of fear and discrimination

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:48 PM

17. And that climate would be the *point* of such a registry, too.

I won't say anything close to a majority of DUers want such a thing, but enough people around here do to make me really uncomfortable at times.

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:31 PM

27. many who suffer are never going to be a threat to anyone

and you're right, they would face discrimination from those that don't understand. in the aids crisis, some who were diagnosed went out and had unprotected sex with innocents. the vast majority suffered noblely and sacrificed for the public.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:49 PM

18. Yep. "Thundering Asshole" is not, last time I checked, one of the DSM codes. (nt)

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:26 PM

24. actually, i'm being sincere in this discussion. he may be suffering from a mental disorder

and the rest of society is being fashioned in his distored view of the world.

we have seen this in other cases especially with charismatic cult leaders.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:44 PM

14. i believe its called MEGALOMANIA

as with any dictator

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:50 PM

19. He HAS been diagnosed with a "nervous disorder"

He avoided the draft when his family doctor wrote a letter saying that Wayne suffered from "a nervous disorder."

http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

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Response to mainer (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:28 PM

25. wow. so he's either a coward or does suffer from some sort of mentral disorder

i would expect someone with a nervous disorder to border on the need for extreme control and to suffer from abnormal fears. Most seek treatment. crazy wayne has gotten rich off convincing others to distort society to satisfy his own personality disorder.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:07 PM

34. Lots of the wealthy and privileged managed to find ways to avoid the draft ...

during the Vietnam war.

I chose to join the Air Force rather than be drafted into the army. In that sense I guess I also avoided the draft. Perhaps that makes me a coward.

I feel my decision was wise as I learned the skills necessary to have a life long career in a good profession.

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Response to spin (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:24 PM

38. On cowardice and Vietnam: you had, as I see it, 4-5 choices. You could

 

1) allow yourself to be drafted into the Army
2) volunteer for another branch of the service
3) go to jail (or go underground) to protest the war and the draft
4) emigrate to Canada or Sweden to avoid the draft
5) go to college and get a college draft exemption.

Beats the shit out of me which choice was the coward's way. I suspect it was option #5 (the one Cheney and Romney and so many other Fortunate Sons availed themselves of), but I'm reluctant to sit in judgment of any draft-aged male from the time. Likewise, I'd say that option #3 was the most heroic but, again, I'm in no position to judge.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:05 PM

41. You summed it up nicely. I chose option 2 ...

After technical school, I ended up as an electronics instructor in Mississippi for a year and then was transferred to a base in Massachusetts where I worked in support of a highly classified program in Vietnam.

I was stateside during my entire service in the Air Force although I would have been sent to a base in Thailand if I had reenlisted. I enjoyed my time in the service but the woman that I had married threatened to divorce me if I reenlisted.

I never refer to myself as a Vietnam vet but at the most as a Vietnam Era vet. I have a great deal of admiration and respect for those who did serve in Vietnam especially those who experienced combat. It was a dirty little war that accomplished little and changed our nation in many significant ways.

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Response to spin (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:43 AM

51. I just did not want you walking around thinking of yourself as a 'coward'. That seems

 

to me the height of a self-imposed unfairness. I suspect, although I do not know for sure, that most Vietnam Vets (of the combat variety) would not think of you as a coward, although they might very well consider the label appropriate for the likes of "Other Priorities" Cheney and Missionary Mitt. (Altho, come to think of it, Bill Clinton also availed himself of the College Draft Exemption too.)

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:47 AM

52. my brother chose the marines because they were not going to Vietnam anymore although the draft was

Still on. The younger two twins were in the draw and there number came up..my marine brother spent typing in Washington DC the whole 2 years.

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:18 PM

53. Well, as that famous militant poet John Milton once wrote, "They also

 

serve who only stand and wait."

No one should ever accuse your Marine brother of being a 'coward', imo.

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Response to mainer (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:34 PM

47. Oh dear, the plot thickens... n/t

 

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:33 PM

28. More like suffering from 'fear' his gun-maker 'owners' would decommission him,

imo. Its about his JOB.

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Response to elleng (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:35 PM

29. i think he feels security with a lot of guns and he's used this to make himself rich

btw - his 1 million salary for creating so much destruction is a financial pittance.

its feeding of his paranoia that is the cause.

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Response to elleng (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:25 PM

46. i think he's going to lose his job

he's become toxic

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Response to samsingh (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:07 PM

49. Right.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:29 PM

40. If we're talking about Wayne, he's winning

The whole purpose of his meltdown is to make that the story.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:17 PM

43. his draft deferment was for nervous disorder

maybe a psychiatrist should examine him and see if it has progressed. He really has some explaining to do.

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