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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:18 AM

W.H. Petition: 'Press Charges Against David Gregory' for Breaking D.C. Gun Laws

OK, 'that' comes from here...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-petition-press-charges-against-david-gregory-breaking-dc-gun-laws_691989.html?nopager=1

But I found it here:

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/12/26/85237/613

Jail Fluffy

by BooMan
Wed Dec 26th, 2012 at 08:52:37 AM EST


The petition to have Meet the Press host David Gregory arrested for illegal possession of a large capacity ammunition magazine within the jurisdiction of the District of Columbia is the first clever thing I've seen the right do in a very long time. It's never easy to explain why rich fluffyheads are exempt from the laws that the rest of us must follow. Sometimes, as with NFL wide receiver Plaxico Burress (who famously shot himself in the leg at a NYC nightclub), it's just not worth it to bend the law to account for fame and money. He went to jail for a while. This David Gregory gun brandishing thing could be the next Benghazi!! Except, this time, the Metro police are involved.

We should all go shoot watermelons in our backyards in solidarity and celebration.

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Reply W.H. Petition: 'Press Charges Against David Gregory' for Breaking D.C. Gun Laws (Original post)
babylonsister Dec 2012 OP
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #1
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #3
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #4
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #5
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #11
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #12
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #13
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #14
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #15
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #19
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #20
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #23
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #24
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #25
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #27
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #35
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #36
CreekDog Dec 2012 #40
samsingh Dec 2012 #51
grantcart Dec 2012 #6
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #8
grantcart Dec 2012 #54
arely staircase Dec 2012 #22
Walk away Dec 2012 #2
Enrique Dec 2012 #7
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #9
CreekDog Dec 2012 #42
oldhippie Dec 2012 #55
sorefeet Dec 2012 #10
Robyn66 Dec 2012 #16
hlthe2b Dec 2012 #30
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #17
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #18
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #21
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #29
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #32
Recursion Dec 2012 #39
dkf Dec 2012 #44
Recursion Dec 2012 #45
dkf Dec 2012 #47
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #49
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #48
Recursion Dec 2012 #50
oldhippie Dec 2012 #56
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #26
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #28
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #31
CreekDog Dec 2012 #43
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #46
tularetom Dec 2012 #33
Remmah2 Dec 2012 #34
madrchsod Dec 2012 #37
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #38
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #41
billh58 Dec 2012 #52
Remmah2 Dec 2012 #53

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:24 AM

1. How the hell do they know it was not a facsmile?

just an empty cartridge?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:30 AM

3. It was a magazine and doesn't matter if it's empty or full

A magazine is a holder/feed mechanism for cartridges/bullets.

I actually agree with this, if Gregory can be shown to have violated the law he should be arrested and charged just as any member of the 99% would be for the same crime.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:31 AM

4. Stop the condescension. A facsimile is a mock-up of a device...

and if it WAS an empty facsimile (mock-up) of a magazine, there can be no crime.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:38 AM

5. Are we sure that such facsimiles even exist?

Gregory has had enough time to give a denial on this, I've been reading about it for at least a day now.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:11 AM

11. Have you EVER heard of the movie industry? Props department?

Do you realize NBC produces more law and order (cough cough) type tv shows than any other network? Do you realize Hollywood routinely gets waivers to use such props in other restrictive locales including NYC?

Good heavens... It seems the gungeon regular's hatred for those who question any form of responsible gun safety/control measures has blinded some to even the basic explanations...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:18 AM

12. I'm not remotely a "gungeon regular"

You might want to be sure of your target before pulling the trigger.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:24 AM

13. I suspect given these posts, others might draw a similar conclusion...

If it walks like a duck...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:31 AM

14. Perhaps you can explain my comment on this thread then, it's the first one

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:35 AM

15. Glad to see those...

but you did start out with the current NRA meme--attack anyone critical of current gun policy based on terminology in some bizarre attempt to diminish the critique and/or change the subject. In this case doing so didn't apply to what I was saying. This silly tactic is being played out all over DU and elsewhere, whether you realize it or not or whether you were unintentionally doing so.

Nonetheless, I'm glad to stand corrected re: your views.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:49 AM

19. The terminology really isn't that difficult to learn

And it confuses the issues when people use the wrong terminology, in this particular instance I've seen dummy cartridges/rounds quite a few times but I don't think I've ever seen a dummy magazine or clip.

A clip and a magazine perform a similar function, a cartridge is a completely different thing from either.


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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:55 AM

20. Fixating on terminology technicalities is disingenous IMHO.

The public gets the point, even if not all have the expertise and specificity of a neurologist discussing brain surgery.

As long as those writing the laws are precise, all else is false bravado.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:02 AM

23. What makes you think those writing the laws know any better?

That's half our problem, a big percentage of our legislators, law writers, are stone cold morans with little expertise in anything beyond the mechanics of getting their asses elected and reelected.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:07 AM

24. That is a separate issue but, there are large staffs of lawyers and others with technical expertise

that congress has at their beck and call. The issue will be predicting the loopholes that NRA and others will try to identify--just as the rich do with tax law.

Those who discuss the direction of new law and policy must call on those with expertise to craft the actual law, but it is not necessary for them to have the precision of a neurosurgeon to discuss the issues with the public. When NRA (and its supporters) fixate on this, I think the public very clearly knows this is merely a tactic.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:13 AM

25. Good luck predicting or even seeing the loopholes if you don't even know the basic terminology

Congress has passed plenty of arguably horrible law in the past and the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

It almost seems in fact that the worse the law the easier it is to get bipartisan agreement on it.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:33 AM

27. There is inadequately informed and then there is momentary "misspeak"....

The NRA cult loves to jump on the latter just as much as the former--THAT is the tactic that will doom them with the public.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:57 AM

35. And not knowing the difference is what will get horrible law

An assault weapon ban is only a drop in the bucket of gun killings in the first place, it's a distraction from the retail day to day murders that are done mostly with hand guns.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #35)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:02 PM

36. Only if those who did not distinguish crafted the actual law. They DO NOT.

You know better than this...

But, I have better things to do today than argue NRA talking points with you. Have a nice day.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:40 PM

40. but you could be

the hostility towards anyone supporting gun control of any sort is really over the top.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:22 PM

51. ironically, that seems to be what you're doing with gregory

and the whole - him issuing a denial is bogus.

why not spend the same energy on someone carrying in the open or stand your ground rules?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:42 AM

6. Comment from the link

No person in the District shall possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device ...

Let's review. Clearly he didn't sell or transfer the magazine, at least during the broadcast. And it's not at all clear what constitutes possession. Did/does he actually possess the device or merely hold it up for the camera? Nice try though.

BTW dude, watermelons are out of season.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:46 AM

8. The magazine was clearly transferred if Gregory no longer has it

Pass a joint at a concert and you are technically a "drug dealer" because you "transferred" a banned substance.

Why would it be any different for a magazine?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:46 PM

54. If it is a prop of NBC then simply holding in front of the camera wouldn't fit the crime.


Also has anyone established whether it was simply a casing or acually was full of ammo.

All pretty ridiculous in any case.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:01 AM

22. i am sure if i am "holding up" a kilo of cocaine

i am in possession. pretty sure the cops would think so anyhow.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:26 AM

2. I think David Gregory started this himself.

It's 100% moronic.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:46 AM

7. i can explain why they would make an exception for Gregory

it's called common sense.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:49 AM

9. Exactly, Gregory is both famous and wealthy

It's just common sense that he should get to break the law with impunity and we should all defend his exemption from penalties of law.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:42 PM

42. the dude that believes the law shouldn't exist thinks Gregory should be locked away for life

where's my one hand clapping smilie?

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Response to Enrique (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:49 PM

55. I wonder what we would be saying if ....

 

.... it was a Faux News anchor holding (possessing) the device?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:57 AM

10. This is an example

of the thousands of gun laws that don't get enforced.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:38 AM

16. What stupidity

Children and firefighters are being gunned down and there are people entertaining this shit! Shameful!

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Response to Robyn66 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:40 AM

30. +1 (sad to see this BS diversion argument on a progressive website, isn't it?)

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:44 AM

17. I can't support this, as it originated on Breitbart.com...

 

And the news should get a pass on shit like this for reporting purposes.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:49 AM

18. The question is whether Gregory's crew jumped through the correct legal hoops...

Those legal hoops, often in the form of explicitly written exceptions for film crews, are in most jurisdictions' firearms laws. Which means that perhaps his crew may have set him up with a prop magazine that wasn't functional, or they got a waiver or license for the purposes of filming, or something.

If they didn't somebody on Gregory's production crew needs to be fired - they should have known better.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:00 AM

21. So Dances With Rove gets bit by the wolf he's been busy feeding the 99% to

And naturally of course some 99%er on his crew needs to get fired.






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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:37 AM

29. They have an entertainment division

And lawyers to check on the work of lawyers.

This is a classic RW attack. See, the lib'rul media elite gets a pass!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:49 AM

32. This as a news show

Seriously doubt the magazine went through the entertainment division due to time lines if nothing else

It really doesn't matter...it is not going anywhere

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Response to Recursion (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:44 PM

44. Wow. Sounds like someone is out of a job any day now.

 

Regardless if David Gregory is in trouble.

Talk about a low regard for gun laws.

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Response to dkf (Reply #44)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:51 PM

45. Unfortunately it plays right in to NRA talking points

Sigh

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Response to Recursion (Reply #45)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:09 PM

47. Stupid stupid stupid.

 

Mind boggling actually.

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Response to dkf (Reply #47)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:12 PM

49. That's our M$M

Bone deep stupid.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:10 PM

48. The whole problem could have been easily sidestepped

Shoot the video with the magazine somewhere it was perfectly legal to have it.

Problem never even happens.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #48)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:18 PM

50. For all we know, they did

DCPD is still trying to figure out if it was shot in DC or not. Given the 5th amendment, that will be difficult.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #50)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:56 PM

56. Seems to me all it would take ....

 

.. would be depositions or testimony from the people there. The 5th only applies to the one who may be charged.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:31 AM

26. Gregory was a dumbass but so is this

I doubt it was a prop, since that is more a movie thing vice the news dept.

I have little doubt that Gregory is egotistical enough to think the laws did not apply since he was using it of a higher purpose.

The DA has absolute prosecutorial discretion baring a writ of mandamus.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #26)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:36 AM

28. Slight correction, Gregory *is* a dumbass

And it's completely revealing of the flaws of our system that such a dumbass could rise so far in it.


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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:46 AM

31. Good point. We really need better imperfect and perfect tenses in American English

Gregory has been, is now, and ever shall be a dumbass

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:43 PM

43. Gregory is a dumbass, but his interview of LaPierre was terrific and that's why you're mad

he took your guy to the cleaners and you know it.

and you don't care what it takes to discredit him, you don't want people to watch that interview.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #43)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:08 PM

46. My guy?

Trigger happy bunch we have around here, friendly fire incidents galore.

Just because I despise Dances With Rove doesn't mean I love Wayne LaPierre, any reasonably astute and fluent ninth grader could have disassembled Mr NRA and his talking points with half their brain tied behind their back.





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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:50 AM

33. There is absolutely NO chance anything will happen as a result of this incident

but it warms my heart to think that this douchebag might be having some discomfort because of it.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:52 AM

34. If he truly believes in his cause he should take his punishment.

 

Generations of protesters have stood their ground against Vietnam/Iraq and have been tear gassed, pepper sprayed and arrested.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:07 PM

37. really? this issue has come down to this?

i guess when an issue disintegrates into a childish school yard squabble it`s over.
.

this really is a sad statement on the intellect of the news media

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #37)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:32 PM

38. This is not the nooz media

But the NRA, serious.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:41 PM

41. He probably won't be charged.

A good defense attorney can find twelve forms of ambiguity in a "No smoking" sign, so he can probably make sure that Gregory gets to skate.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:27 PM

52. This is a perfect example

of just how desperate the NRA and their Gungeon followers are becoming now that the country is waking up to the carnage that they have caused.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:57 PM

53. I guess he was a hidden criminal.

 

For shame.

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