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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:53 AM

My Uncle tried to convince me Obama is a Muslimn today.

We were at the table eating, maybe playing Yahtzee, I can't remember exactly what we were doing. My Uncle is, by all accounts, a nice guy, and he does know my political leanings(everyone does, proud Democrat here). He asked me if I thought Obama was a Muslim, I said no, and then he tried to convince me that it was in his book "Dreams of/from my father", that he had written and said he was a Muslim, and that he had said the sound of Muslim's calling to prayer was the most beautiful thing he had ever heard. Flatly, I told him I sincerely doubted that.

I then ended it with, " What kind of a Muslim is he? He bombs the hell out of the middle east, supports women's rights, abortion rights, same-sex marriage.... Hell, he's a terrible Muslim if he is one! "

Some people, I swear... They'll believe anything.

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Reply My Uncle tried to convince me Obama is a Muslimn today. (Original post)
cecilfirefox Dec 2012 OP
upi402 Dec 2012 #1
jthompson Dec 2012 #9
nightscanner59 Dec 2012 #13
bahrbearian Dec 2012 #33
WCGreen Dec 2012 #34
eridani Dec 2012 #2
Scootaloo Dec 2012 #3
WinkyDink Dec 2012 #19
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #37
Bucky Dec 2012 #5
TlalocW Dec 2012 #4
Elwood P Dowd Dec 2012 #6
TlalocW Dec 2012 #23
freshwest Dec 2012 #40
Marr Dec 2012 #7
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #38
cntrfthrs Dec 2012 #41
Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #8
jthompson Dec 2012 #10
WiffenPoof Dec 2012 #11
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2012 #12
JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #14
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #15
Larry Ogg Dec 2012 #16
Oldtimeralso Dec 2012 #17
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #18
fadedrose Dec 2012 #20
hobbit709 Dec 2012 #21
DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #22
DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #24
DeschutesRiver Dec 2012 #25
Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #26
cbayer Dec 2012 #27
southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #28
BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #29
cbrer Dec 2012 #30
no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #31
sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #32
PATXgirl Dec 2012 #35
DirkGently Dec 2012 #36
tuvor Dec 2012 #39
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #42

Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:04 AM

1. That calls for a food fight

I blame the media. In Portland & Seattle the lone liberal radio station is going to sports. But there are plenty of powerful rightwing stations spewing that crap still on in those librul bastions of commiehood.

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Response to upi402 (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:32 AM

9. Yep Losing Progressive Radio In Seattle Sucks

Them corporate slimeballs don't want "progressive" radio in the least. Kill it they say!!!!

There is no way the fascists that own radio stations will tolerate voices that are anti-fascism.

All the while the wealthy of the world have 21 to 31 trillion stashed in the tax havens while they tell us we are broke.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=21+trillion+offshore

That's right. No money for kids meals in school, but 31 trillion in the Cayman Islands.

What are you going to do about it?

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Response to jthompson (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:08 AM

13. Seattle without progressive radio? AAAAGH!

It's not the NPR station going off is it? That's about all I'd listen to up there when I could pick it up in Kitsap Co.

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Response to jthompson (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:22 PM

33. AM 1090 is going off the air? say it isn't so.

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Response to jthompson (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:25 PM

34. Thats because most of the day time AM listeners are white older men...

The progressive have much better things to do than listen to the same old same old day after day, week after week, month and month, year after year, decade after decade....

You get the picture.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:05 AM

2. Muslimn? Muslim? Muslin?

He is certainly not a Muslin. And probably not a Satinist or a Linenist either.

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Response to eridani (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:30 AM

3. He's just pulling the wool over your eyes; DON'T GET FLANNELED!

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:07 AM

19. I don't cotton to such humor; it's the worsted kind.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:45 PM

37. You are just another Obama Denier.

About an 840, I'd guess.

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Response to eridani (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:37 AM

5. It's only a canvas sky, hanging over a muslin tree

But it wouldn't be make-believe if you believed in me

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:31 AM

4. Everyone knows

He's a Communist Socialist Fascist. Isn't that enough?

TlalocW

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Response to TlalocW (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:23 AM

6. No, he is a Communist, Fascist, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Leninist, Leftist, Atheist, Agnostic,

Black, White, Peace Loving, War Mongering, Tall, Short Guy.

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Response to Elwood P Dowd (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:07 PM

23. Also, he turned me into a newt!

I got bettah.

TlalocW

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Response to Elwood P Dowd (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:26 AM

40. Forgot radical Liberation Christian theology believer, racist, gay, Republican socialist.

Oh, and baby killing crack head dope smoker. And cigarette smoking, diabolically sneaky smart and also dumb as a post, yet the anti-Christ! And doesn't put ketchup on hamburgers and his haircut is all wrong. Yeah, I think that covers it.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:28 AM

7. I had the same person-- in the space of two minutes-- tell me Obama was both

A) a Muslim, and

B) a zealous member of Reverend Wright's church for 20 years



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Response to Marr (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:47 PM

38. Psssst...











It means that Obama is....BLACK!!!!


Don't tell anybody!

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:25 AM

41. Hidden truth

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:30 AM

8. Sounds like he's repeating shit he hears on the radio/tv. A friend of mine used to...

...listen to Hannity and I'm sure some other of the right wing talkers and on the infrequent occasions where our conversations drifted into politics, he was always bringing up these obscure little weird points and trying to blow them up way out of proportion. It didn't really hit me until I thought about some of the stuff he said that he wasn't actually reading or researching the topics at all: He was merely parroting what he thought he heard from Hannity, et al.

And, BTW, because he was parroting off that stuff, it was the same bizarre hammer he used to drive home the nail in any discussion we were having.

PB

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:43 AM

10. Just Another Republican Idiot

I read a great article today from RepublicansAreADisease.com. All the things your uncle probably believes as a republican. Makes me sick thinking these inbred imbiciles are allowed to vote.

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

He probably heard someone on Fox say Obama is a muslim, and now he has Fox voices in his head.....

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:51 AM

11. I Thought Your Response...

...to your uncle was excellent.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:59 AM

12. Ask him why no one has noticed Obama praying facing Mecca 5 times per day!

would be kinda a hard to hide that all the time..

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:45 AM

14. World's worst Muslim

He never breaks out the prayer rug in the middle of press conferences, he drinks his own home made beer (on TV!), and then there's those pesky Muslim killing drones. If he lived in a Muslim country, they'd probably shun him, rip out his tongue, then behead him for murder.

How did the Fox Newsies forget all about 25 years of listening to sermons from Reverend Wright already? They heard about it from Hannity for a solid year.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:51 AM

15. "My Uncle is, by all accounts, a nice guy." - You do realize, I hope, that if he seriously

 

believes that Obama is a Muslim, your Uncle is stark, raving mad and should be committed immediately to the nearest mental health instititution?

Is he like the 'crazy Uncle' every family has who gets dragged out of the attic at holidays and family gatherings?

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:10 AM

16. I like to counter ideological attacks with questions like...

What's better, being hung with a blue rope, or a red rope?

Or would you prefer playing Russian-roulette with a red gun, instead of a blue gun?

Because the funny thing is, there is a lot of republicans who realize their screwed regardless of who wins.

Their just to busy throwing ideological puns, they forget to look past the smoke and mirrors.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:26 AM

17. Tell Him That President Obama is not a Muslim, but....

Grover Norquist is a Muslim. Just watch his head explode!










































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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:03 AM

18. You should have saidn, "I love you, but the idea that he is Muslim is simply NUTS."

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:11 AM

20. He drinks beer and it's made at the White House!

Never would Michelle and the girls wear a burka and so far he hasn't demanded they do.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:16 AM

21. Brews his own beer and eats pork. That's my response to anyone that claims he's a Muslim.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:30 PM

22. Good job, you left out, Osama Bin Laden is dead! LOL.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:24 PM

24. Ask him what difference it makes

And remind him about the "no religious test for office" clause.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:44 PM

25. Make him a $500 bet that he can't find that "I'm a Muslim" confession in Dreams of my Father

Bet him, then have him show you where it is in his book that Obama says he is a Muslim.

Get a copy of the book from the library first, and hand it to him so he has time to look for it.

And if he won't even try, then no, I'm he isn't a nice guy because he knowingly lies about such things with ease.

ETA: And this exercise in betting will only show him that he is repeating lies; it likely won't stop him from continuing to do so. Does he belong to one of those religions that thinks they are the "one true religion"? Because I can't see why anyone would care even if Obama were a Muslim.

That said, it is an insult to Obama to claim things that are provably false. And since he didn't say he was a Muslim in his book, Dreams, then your Uncle is an insulting liar and yeah, if he were my Uncle, I'd be putting that lie to the curb with a copy of the book in my hand.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:46 PM

26. He also drinks.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:47 PM

27. I'm not a Muslim, but the calls to prayer in Istanbul were indeed some of the

most beautiful things I have ever heard as well.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:48 PM

28. As long as we have Fox News and right wing hate radio this is what we will get. Our country

 

will be hurting because you got people who hate their government yet when there are problems such as tornados, hurricanes they want government help. It's enough to make your head spin.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:48 PM

29. My answer would have been--"so fucking what?"

There is NOTHING in the constitution against having a Muslim in the WH.

Some people are too goddamned stupid to convince that he's not, so why not go along with them and ask what their problem is?

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:53 PM

30. You're all wrong, He's alien! nt

 

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:53 PM

31. Obama wouldn't even be considered as a Sufi.

In other words, Muslims wouldn't recognize Obama as one of them.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:56 PM

32. What would be wrong with being a Muslim? That's all I would say to that frankly.

One of our best members of Congress is a Muslim and as far as I know there are no religious or ethnic impediments to being elected to office in this country.

Does your Uncle believe that we should have such restrictions?

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:25 PM

35. One of my very right-wing in-laws tried to pull the birth certificate/Muslim card yesterday.

I basically told her "Surely you don't believe that! Only ignorant, racist red-necks believe that garbage."

She didn't say anything about Obama after that which was fine by me.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:26 PM

36. Always good to scatter some facts, even into an irrational wind.


I think it really does help. People convince themselves everyone is on the same kooky wavelength they picked up at (fill in rightwing source) and they do wonder, if only for a second, when an intelligent, rational person just blinks and says, "No, that is not true."

The way you put it was helpful, too. We often don't think in terms of "evidence" that something crazy isn't true, but your comments do demonstrate the impossibility of this particular wingnut fantasy.

Thanks for putting some rationality out there. We have to keep doing that.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:28 PM

39. And why would it matter if he were?

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Response to cecilfirefox (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:30 AM

42. Ahh...having long ago put up the "I don't give a fuck if he is" shields

I had spaced that tired little chestnut.

I might find a line at snake handling fundie as far as religious test, at some point you're just fucking nuts and too much of a danger to yourself and others to be in a position of stewardship over the many.

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