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Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:29 PM

Look, if we're going to have a million gun threads can we get something right? Clips vs. Magazines

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For christ's sake, it is a fucking MAGAZINE NOT CLIP MAGAZINE.

The things you keep talking about are high capacity MAGAZINES.

Magazines feed cartridges into the chamber. Clips are used to reload magazines.

Visual aid

http://www.bogley.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=40202&d=1294173620

Even the news makes this mistake and it is glaring. Words have meanings, can we please use the correct ones?

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:43 PM

1. Um...no, you are so wrong.

A clip is something I use for my pretty hair, and a magazine is an ancient artifact that can be found in the waiting room at a doctor's office.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:19 PM

34. Your answer is incomplete.

Clips are also little pieces of movies, often used for publicity.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:44 PM

2. whatever

 

some gun types seem awfully touchy about this stuff...

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Response to Indydem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:47 PM

4. Jeez man, I hope that was sarcasm. They aren't sheep.

They are just misinformed, I'm just trying to inform people so they can use the correct term.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:51 PM

9. No it's not sarcasm.

It's always the gun grabbers using the term clip. I have no patience for them and their inaccurate and misleading information they just repeat and repost without ever lifting a finger to confirm what they are posting is true.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:54 PM

12. You should never call your fellow Democrats or Americans sheep.

It is an insulting term completely disrespecting of their own life history and journey.

Come on man, you know better than that. All you do is make yourself look bad when you talk like that.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:59 PM

13. There are sheep everywhere.

Not all of them vote republican.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:00 PM

14. I'm sorry you feel that way.

I hope in time you learn to respect your fellow man, all of them.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:47 PM

65. I was on the jury for your hidden post, above. Nice transparency page.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=187405&sub=trans

We aren't touchy about it. Dec 25
We DID have that kind of violence we have today. Dec 17
Could that have anything to do with the fact that these shooters choose gun-free zones? Dec 17
Why is it any of your business, troll? Dec 15
Well it's good that she was the first to die. Dec 15
Well then fuck you. Dec 15


Pretty clear pattern there, imho. You get really emotional over your love of guns.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #65)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:14 PM

78. yup

not fooling anyone

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #65)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:37 PM

82. wow, scary shit. I'm making a major donation to the Brady Org in his name.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #82)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:49 PM

93. I'm laughing, but also think it's great!

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Response to Indydem (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:13 PM

77. a lot of them own a lot of guns

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Response to Skittles (Reply #77)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:38 PM

83. they need to put some distance between themselves and the batshit angry gun owners

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Response to Indydem (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:17 PM

33. So you consider knowledge of gun terminology to be an indicator of educational achievement?

That's bizarre.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:02 AM

99. My nephew believes his knowledge of every Pokemon ever created is an achievement....

but it's actually pretty sad. Life is a whole lot bigger than the geeky obsessions some fall prey to.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:55 PM

67. So what's the problem with using clip vs magazine?

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Response to rbixby (Reply #67)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:58 PM

68. Well in this instance one is correct and the other is incorrect.

I'd advise people to use the correct one, but if they don't what can I do?

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Response to Kurska (Reply #68)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:46 AM

133. I'm just wondering what the consequences of using the wrong one in this discussion are

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Response to rbixby (Reply #133)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:55 AM

136. Nothing, other than ...

 

.... losing credibility in the eyes of some who do know the difference.

Does it matter to you?

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Response to Indydem (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:31 AM

147. By using vague and incomplete terms it allows the debate to change direction on a whim.

 

Truth hiding in the shadows.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:36 PM

151. Gun grabbers? Really?

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Response to Indydem (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:45 PM

153. gun grabbers? are you on the right forum? eom

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Response to Indydem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:50 PM

6. like I said, real touchy

 

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Response to quinnox (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:15 PM

31. That the rest of us aren't up on the terminology of their hobby.

Personally I have no intention of making a study of it.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:30 PM

50. exactly

 

they take offense as if non gun nuts should know the nitty gritty and specialized terms in their hobby.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:35 PM

56. I just explained the terminology to you. If you continue to use it incorrectly

that is of course your choice.

I have no idea why someone would be willfully wrong, but there you go.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #56)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:01 AM

137. I believe many in the media are purposely misusing the term ....

 

... as an experiment to see how fast they can change the language. Many of the major media news anchors have been repeatably informed of the difference and they continue to use "clip." I have heard that Rupert Murdoch (who is supposedly anti-gun) is insisting that Fox News hosts use the term clips just so he can rub the noses of the gunners, and show how quickly he can change the language.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #137)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:02 PM

157. Prove It. (nt)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #157)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:09 PM

161. I can't prove it ....

 

... it's merely a belief that I hold based on observation and experience. Not everything can be backed up up by a link on the internet. Some people actually try to come up with stuff themselves. Take it for what it's worth to you. Probably nothing.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #31)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:54 PM

154. That's fine. However if you make a good point in the gun control debate and use the wrong terms ...

your valid point will be largely ignored by knowledgeable posters who support gun rights.

If you often post on threads that discuss gun control it is also useful to understand that everything you read on the Brady Campaign web site or hear on the 24/7 cable news is not accurate and in fact is sometimes totally false. Of course those who post in favor of gun rights have would also be wise to realize that what they read or hear from pro-gun sources gun also be lies and propaganda.

Firearm is not rocket science and anyone can quickly learn the basics with just a little effort. Google is your friend.

But as I have explained, I have no problems if you chose not to learn the fundamentals of a topic you wish to discuss. I will try to figure out your meaning and carefully consider your point.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:50 PM

8. Sleep it off.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:49 PM

5. Most people don't own guns and are not interested

in knowing the lingo so you are asking for something that will never be.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:51 PM

10. It is really too much to ask if you're going to talk about guns to use the correct words?

If you were talking about a car you'd look awfully silly if you kept calling the engine the gas tank.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:16 PM

32. I asked once in DU, but the answer I got wasn't clear...

if I got one. So I started calling them mags.

But when I had a small .22 pistol years ago, others always referred to the loading thing with the bullets in it...they called it the clip. It looked like a mag in your pictures, only smaller...and the bullets weren't exposed like in your pic of a clip (but I think I could see if there were bullets in it?).

So I thought maybe mags held more bullets, while a clip held just a few, or clips were smaller in size or something. I also thought maybe a clip didn't come in high count.

But thanks for the clarification. The loading thing I stuck in the .22 look like a small mag, as I recall. But that was a long time ago.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:22 PM

37. Thank you for making the distinction.

Last edited Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:34 AM - Edit history (1)

I think the reason some feathers may be ruffled is that some may detect a bit of an 'attitude' in the way you posted the info.
Again thanks for making the difference clear. I surely didn't know.
Now..... I CAN tell the difference between Mozart and Hayden. :>)) Which is not so easy for many...

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Response to Kurska (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:02 PM

71. Gun knowledge

Some people like my wife do not like guns.
She will never learn the correct name of gun parts. A car is something she lets into her life. A gun will never be a part of her life so she will not make the effort to learn about them. She is like most people who do not like guns.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:55 AM

130. A more apt comparison would be....

If you were talking about a car and you kept calling the engine a motor.

Two different things that the words for are so often incorrectly interchanged that their misuse is usually ignored.

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Response to Fastcars (Reply #130)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:07 AM

138. Wow! I haven't run into anyone that knows of that distinction .....

 

.... in years. Are you an engineer? We are usually the ones that are anal about such things.

Kinda like missile vs rocket, though that's getting pretty blurred also.

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Response to Fastcars (Reply #130)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:50 AM

148. The two are used interchangeably --

As in motor-boats (referring to the internal combustion "motor" on a boat), motor-cycles, motor-mounts, motor-cars, motor-speedway, motor-clubs, motor-works, etc. Motor is really just a generic term, modified by the term engine.

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Response to LTX (Reply #148)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:00 PM

162. Not an engineer....

And more often than not I use the word motor when referring to an engine. Even though I know it is technically incorrect.

Just as I use the word clip, as do many (if not most) gun owners I know, when referring to a magazine. If it is so often used incorrectly that there is no doubt as to what you are speaking of then it isn't worth fighting over.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:27 PM

41. I don't own guns, but I like the knowing the terms. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #41)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:58 PM

156. Therefore your posts on the topic are far more effective than a post from an individual ....

who might make the same point as you did but used incorrect terminology.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:50 PM

7. The difference is irrelevant to most people.

The words are used interchangeably by non-specialists and non-gun nuts. A stripper clip (like what you load say an M1903 Springfield with) vs a box magazine (like what you load an AR15 with) have a similar function. My advice is to un-twist your knickers.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:52 PM

11. Ignorance is only an excuse if you're ignorant.

I'm just trying to educate people. I have no idea why someone would willfully use the wrong term.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:07 PM

21. People probably use the terms interchangeably....

....just to piss of people who want to nitpick about extremely minor issues nobody else cares about.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:13 PM

28. You really think people would do that? Just go on the internet and act stupid to make people mad?

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Response to Kurska (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:40 AM

121. It worked in your case, didn't it? (filed under: "no sarcasm", and "truth hurts".)

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Response to Kurska (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:09 AM

139. Ummmm, yes. nt

 

nt

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Response to Kurska (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:07 PM

22. doesn't change national debate I need to be good smart gun regulations

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:12 PM

26. Not even talking about that

Pro-gun and anti-gun people both make this mistake.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:24 PM

38. Dude, talking to the gun grabbers right now is like trying to talk to a dog

Barking at a vacuum cleaner. You will get spit on and called names and you might as well try to tell a freeper that evolution is more probable than creationism. They don't want to hear it and they don't really want to have a rational discussion of the issue. They just want to bark. I tried a few days ago. Waste of time.

Good luck though.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:01 PM

15. Ignorance about all things firearm are like Kudzu, impossible to eradicate. nt

 

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:01 PM

16. May I suggest you stop trying to argue on technicalities. The meaning is perfectly clear.

The issue is guns that can kill a dozen people in a matter of a few seconds with no opportunity for people to bring down the shooter.

The issue is not what ever kind of word games you want to play. That is just a diversionary tactic and I don't think a lot of people have any patience for that kind of disingenuous posting here.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:03 PM

18. I'm not arguing. Just trying to educate.

One term is correct and one term is incorrect.

It is up to you which you want to use, but I suggest that if you want your meaning to be clear you should use the correct one.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:26 PM

40. I think BlueStreak is about the fourth person in this thread to make the same point,

which you are ignoring.

A lot of us would prefer not to have to talk about guns at all, let alone worry about precise terminology. It doesn't matter. The point is, we are discussing guns which can take out a whole bunch of people in a very short time. Guns like this do not seem necessary for civilian usage. Why don't you respond to that?

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Response to Kurska (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:34 PM

55. You aren't "educating". You are playing word games to change the subject.

The terms are arbitrary, and are not central to the issue.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #55)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:38 PM

57. that is the feeling I get as well

 

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #55)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:38 PM

58. This thread has a subject, you're free to start a thread on any gun control topic you like.

I don't see how I am distracting from the issue by supplying basic information. I'm sorry you feel that way.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #58)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:55 AM

111. this subject has already been covered in EVERY other thread about guns. I can't respect your opinion

if you're still ignorant of that fact.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #111)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:24 AM

115. If it had, I'd hope people weren't still making mistakes about it n/t

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Response to Kurska (Reply #115)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:28 AM

116. so you failed to notice many here saying they didn't give a fuck because they are not here to write

legislation? You actually missed the majority of responses here saying that for many reasons, they had no intention of studying up to please gun geeks? LOL. Well- NOW you know.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #116)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:06 AM

119. It is an incredibly simple concept

It is understandable that not everyone would know it. What I don't understand is the attitude of those who seem to desire to be wrong.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #119)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:37 AM

120. yet you fail to grasp the dozen explanations on this page? i'll add one more....

when gun control advocates "learn" this simple concept, another (semi auto vs auto) will be introduced, then another (gun show loophole) , and another. Until the gun geeks shit their pants in delight. Because the NRA taught them to disrupt.

If you can't recall seeing that here, or having it explained to you many times, then it is you who are too ignorant, too dense to talk to. And now, you don't have to be shocked if anyone accuses you of derailing, or disrupting. You're welcome!

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #120)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:32 PM

150. But, but, we haven't discussed the finer points of navel lint yet!!! How can the OP poster take you

seriously in gun-control discussions if you won't listen when he educates you on the finer points of navel lint???



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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:20 PM

35. +10000000

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:25 PM

158. If so your side should be honest and push for the banning and confiscation ...

of all semi-auto firearms with as well as lever action and pump rifles and of course double action revolvers.

Even a six shot double action revolver can be reloaded quickly using a speed loader. A .357 magnum revolver is an extremely deadly weapon.

If you did so, we would not need to discuss items like magazines and magazine capacity.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:02 PM

17. The difference is really very clear

 

Clip:



Magazine:

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:04 PM

19. Even the gun-bunnies call them clips when they're not lecturing us on terminology.

Heard at the firing range:

"(BLAM!-BLAM!-BLAM!) I can't believe those libruls call them clips. (BLAM!-BLAM!-BLAM!) Huh-huh! They don't know shit about guns! (BLAM!-BLAM!-click.) Shit, I'm out of ammo. Gimme another clip!"

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:14 PM

29. When did I imply pro-gun people don't make this mistake too? n/t

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Response to Kurska (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:04 PM

73. Just making an observation about right-wing hypocrisy, that's all.

I didn't intend that statement as an insult to you or anyone here on DU.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:06 PM

20. I know this but will still file it under "W"

For "Who the fuck gives a shit?"

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:09 PM

23. Distinction with 20 kids dead regardless.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:27 PM

43. ^^This.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:11 PM

24. Fuck guns. nt

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:12 PM

25. Dont even try, so many here dont know the proper terminology for weapons

It doesnt matter to them, and they'll quickly say that it doesnt matter, but to me it makes their arguments weaker when they dont know how to say what they truly mean. Some people dont know the difference between semi-automatic and full auto. It doesnt really matter, so dont bang your head against the wall waiting for people to get it right.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:29 PM

46. Some people don't know how to use an apostrophe. I happen to think apostrophes are important.

However, I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to correct the apostrophe-ignorant on their mistakes, and I wouldn't be so ridiculous as to say their lack of apostrophes makes their arguments weaker. I think insisting they find apostrophes as important as I do would be a sign of obnoxious self-absorption.

I guess it's all in your point of view.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:13 PM

27. Getting all up in arms about proper terminology is just a misdirection

All the NRA apologists and other gun enthusiasts getting all twisted in their knickers about proper use of terminology is simply a re-direction tactic. A tactic to take the conversation off the real issue that more guns mean more deaths as is statistically proven. If they can divert the conversation to how people and the media are mis-using the terms assault weapon or clip vs. magazine then they divert the conversation from the real issue. The issue that guns are too easily available to people in the US.

It doesn't matter if the gun is a full auto or a semi-auto or what you call it on the evening news. A person wielding that gun can still fire off hundreds of rounds in a few minutes either way. Sure, with the full auto a person can just point and spray bullets. With the semi they have to repeatedly pull the trigger. But one to eleven bullets into the body of a kindergartener didn't really get stymied by the fact the person with the gun had to repeatedly pull the trigger now did it?

So quit with the whole "your terminology is wrong" crap. Who cares? Dead is dead is dead. Those kindergartners are all dead no matter if you call it an assault rifle or just a rifle; no matter if you call it an automatic or semi-automatic. They are all still dead.

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Response to dballance (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:15 PM

30. I'm sorry, but if you want to be taken seriously you should get your terminology correct.

That is true of anything isn't it? If I started calling a basketball a football you'd assume I knew jack-shit about basketball.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:27 PM

44. Actually I have always wondered why

a football is called a football? When a real football is really a football, not a football.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #44)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:30 PM

48. I believe it is because the American football is derivitive of the European football.

But don't quote me on that.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #48)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:33 AM

132. Looks like it came from an ancient greek game and

much more recently rugby..

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Response to Kurska (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:29 PM

47. I would be willing to bet the house that you've weighed in on topics on DU for which

you did not know all the proper terminology.

We all do, all the time. What makes guns more special than the finer points of the debt ceiling, for example? Gimmee a break with this crap now.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #47)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:30 PM

51. Of course and if I made a mistake I would expect to be corrected on it.

And then I wouldn't make that mistake again

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Response to Kurska (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:38 PM

59. And yet, I don't really see "terminology correction" threads about anything other

than guns.

Point is, I'm entitled to voice my opinion even if I call a clip a cupcake. Those kids in Connecticut won't get any less dead.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #59)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:43 PM

62. Can you explain something to me?

I just explained to you the difference between the two and you continue to use the incorrect word. Why? I just don't understand the mind-set. Are you being wrong on purpose? If so, to what end are you doing it?

You're entitled to voice whatever you want to. You are also entitled to make as many incorrect statements as you like, that doesn't mean they'll go over well.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:30 PM

49. I agree. so get it right yourself.

an ammo magazine is often referred to as a "clip".

Deal with it.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #49)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:32 PM

52. It is a common mistake.

Still a mistake, sir.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:39 PM

60. We have just watched twenty 6 year olds mowed down in their first grade class.

Now you are saying that, unless someone uses this distinction between the terms "clip" and "magazine", you cannot take their comments seriously when they discuss gun control.

After we watched twenty 6 year olds mowed down in their first grade class.

Are you for real?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #60)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:54 PM

66. Why would a tragedy change the fact that people should use the correct terminology?

9-11 was horrible, but if someone called it a football attack instead of a terrorist attack you'd look at them sideways wouldn't you?

I don't understand how this basic request burdens you at all. If anything it would make you more persuasive.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #66)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:06 PM

74. If I told you, "I can't take someone seriously when they talk about terrorism if they

refer to the planes that crashed on 9-11 as 747's instead of the correct 767's," wouldn't you think I was an asshole?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #74)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:09 PM

76. If they repeatedly and willfully did it after being informed of the fact.

I'd infer that the person who made the original statement was, indeed, the asshole.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #76)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:29 PM

81. Okie dokie. So I guess we know not to try and talk to you if you have educated us about what is

important to you and we continue not to care about it.






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Response to Squinch (Reply #81)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:42 PM

85. If getting things correct is not important to you, I believe that is your problem. n/t

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Response to Kurska (Reply #85)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:45 PM

90. That's nice, dear.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #90)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:54 PM

96. As an aside: Putting n/t in the topic when you have a blank post is helpful.

Saves people the effort of opening the post to look at it to find it blank

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Response to Kurska (Reply #30)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:08 AM

124. I believe my terminology is quite correct

Guns with high-capacity ammo make it much easier for people to kill other people quickly. To easily put several rounds into a kindergartner in mere seconds.

Quibble with that and try not to take it seriously.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:22 PM

36. Doesn't matter. Both feed ammo into guns that should be banned, except possibly bolt action.


Post in gungeon, you'll get an assault weapon cheer from the 33 group members who think guns are gods gift to mankind (89 if you count gun cultists with multiple user names).

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:28 PM

45. Sir, have I wronged you in some way?

That is an awfully acidic reply for a thread about basic information.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:27 PM

42. Ever hear of a "banana clip"?

To many people, the terms are interchangeable. Especially those of us who were in the Military.

Regardless of what you call it, I don't care. Any capacity over 3 for hunting is useless. I'd be willing to compromise at 5. Anything over 10 is just ridiculous.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:34 PM

53. "Banana clip"

You mean these things?

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Response to Kurska (Reply #53)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:17 AM

101. For someone who claims to be an "expert"

and lectures other people, this is an especially dense post.

I mean this:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=banana%20clip

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #42)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:44 PM

159. Many states have limits on the magazine capacity of a semi-auto firearm while hunting.

The limit is usually 3 or 5.

Florida's limit 5 rounds while hunting deer.


Prohibited methods and equipment for taking game

***snip***

Centerfire semi-automatic rifles having magazine capacities of more than five rounds when hunting deer
http://www.eregulations.com/florida/hunting/taking-game/


I'm not a hunter but I believe that if you are in Florida you can use a semi-auto rifle with a larger capacity magazine while hunting feral hog. Feral hog are considered a pest as they are not a native species and do a considerable amount of damage to the environment.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:34 PM

54. Guns are rather complicated one-dimensional items

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:41 PM

61. Please look at this article...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand

The M1 "is an air-cooled, gas-operated, clip-fed, and semiautomatic shoulder weapon. This means that the air cools the barrel; that the power to cock the rifle and chamber the succeeding round comes from the expanding gas of the round fired previously; that it is loaded by inserting a metal clip (containing a maximum of eight rounds) into the receiver; and that the rifle fires one round each time the trigger is pulled ". After the eight rounds have been shot the clip automatically ejects causing a "ping" noise to occur.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #61)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:44 PM

64. The M1 garand is a special case

In that instance the terminology is correct, because of the unique mechanism by which the M1 Garand operates.

M1 Garand still uses a clip, it just feeds the cartridges directly from the clip and ejects the clip when empty.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #64)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:30 AM

106. Actually, that would be an enbloc clip.

 

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Response to -..__... (Reply #106)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:23 AM

114. That is a type of clip, did I call it a stripper clip?

En bloc and stripper clips could both be call clips.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #114)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:31 AM

117. No... you didn't.

 

just my subtle way of being a wise ass.

Sorry.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #117)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:05 AM

118. No worries

I figured

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Response to Kurska (Reply #64)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:35 AM

125. There are lots of exceptions, like the "hopper" that holds bullets...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun

The original Gatling gun was a field weapon which used multiple rotating barrels turned by a hand crank, and firing loose (no links or belt) metal cartridge ammunition using a gravity feed system from a hopper.

The point is that you are trying to reprimand folks for using what is an unclear term. Popular use, historical use, and published definitions for bullet delivery systems have lots exceptions and confusion.

I think you'd be better off thinking about how to change the law to get the guns under control...in my view:

1.) License anyone who possesses a gun with background checks, mental health clearance, required insurance, and safety courses.
2.) Waiting periods for guns and ammo.
3.) All purchases and transfers must present the license for guns and ammo regardless of delivery system.
4.) Register all guns. Tax the registrations with the proceeds going to mental health programs.
5.) All youth must be supervised at all times by a licensed adult.

You get the idea...(and I'm a gun owner).

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Response to Sancho (Reply #61)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:19 AM

141. That is correct because the M-1 Garand has an internal fixed magazine .....

 

.... the clip is used to charge the internal (non-detachable) magazine, as per the definition of a clip. This is often confused with the M-1 CARBINE which does use a detachable magazine which can be charged with a stripper clip.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:58 PM

69. A magazine is something I read on the toilet. A bullet and a gun are wmd's.

 

a clip is something an actor/actress bring with them to talk shows when publicizing their latest movie/film/dvd, etc.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:00 PM

70. ITT: a zillion variants on "I can't be bothered to be correct and right at the same time." (nt)

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:02 PM

72. I think the deck chairs would look better over THERE.

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Response to Robb (Reply #72)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:08 PM

75. .

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Response to Squinch (Reply #75)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:44 PM

88. And to add mine...

 

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:24 PM

79. You're fighting a losing battle here

It pisses me off as well but you aren't going to win any hearts and minds here tonight.

My suggestion is have another egg nog and forget it.

It is indeed a magazine but most people don't give a fuck.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:28 PM

80. Be it a clip or a magazine they both do the exact same thing ....

..... and that is to hold the rounds before one round winds up in the firing
chamber of the gun at which after the trigger is squeezed the firing
pin hits the primer (or the rim in the case of a rim fired round) after
which the gun powder ignites which sends the projectile down the gun
barrel and then out into the environment which might be a movie theater,
a first grade class room, or a house fire in upstate NY and if that slug hits
a person they might very well wind up just as dead no matter if the weapon
had a clip, a magazine, or it was a single shot bolt action rifle.

The issue is not clips vs magazines but the proliferation of guns and a
proliferation of different methods with which a person can increase
the amount of times a weapon can be fired with out reloading.

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Response to Botany (Reply #80)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:48 PM

92. Correct. All this 'clip' vs 'magazine' is nothing more than a distraction that we have

 

too many guns killing too many people

The issue is not clips vs magazines but the proliferation of guns and a
proliferation of different methods with which a person can increase
the amount of times a weapon can be fired with out reloading.

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Response to RC (Reply #92)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:22 AM

131. 100% NRA / gun nut talking point

"You don't really understand guns as well as I do so don't be
trying to push for any sort of gun control laws."


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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:41 PM

84. The head of the Connecticut State Police called them clips. We understand the gun held

30 rounds no matter what they call it. I have always heard the word clip used buy experienced shooters as long as I can remember. Maybe the term originated from the M1 solders used in WWII. Either way I think everyone knows what they are referring to.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #84)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:43 PM

87. Well that is awfully silly.

Someone should inform him of the correct usage.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #87)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:24 AM

104. Why don't you run up to Sandy Hook, and go educate this "annoying" man right away!

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #104)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:22 AM

113. When did I ever call anyone annoying?

Obviously he has better things to do.However, If you didn't want to know about the subject matter, why did you open the thread?

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:42 PM

86. Aw, fuck that tired old noise.

Do you really think you are the first savant to bring that to DU's attention? It only gets brought up with every assault weapon topic here.

As at least two respondents above, and I, can corroborate, the two terms have been used interchangeably among rank and file members of the military since Christ was a Corporal. Nobody gives a fuck about the technical distinction because that is inferred by knowledge of the weapon system being discussed.

As for the great unmilitarized masses, they have no need to make any distinction, as it is irrelevant to the discussion, unless there are high capacity clips of which I am unaware.

In short, clip has entered the vernacular as a synonym for magazine, and your argument is relevant only in academic or technical literature, and no protest you make is going to change that.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #86)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:57 PM

98. +1 I guess we should be impressed with his knowledge of the proper

names of firearms parts.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #86)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:19 AM

102. +2

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #86)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:51 AM

134. Well Put. (nt)

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:44 PM

89. you are wasting your time

 

as the anti-gunners don't care as facts might get in the way of their emotions.







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Response to guardian (Reply #89)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:54 PM

95. As I thought. Even the gun lovers don't know which killing machine is what.

 

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:48 PM

91. You should have put a comma after "Look". It's hard to take you seriously. nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #91)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:55 PM

97. Oh, let me fix that.

Gee, that was easy.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #97)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:04 AM

100. I wouldn't start an OP about how I can't communicate with people who misuse commas. nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #100)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:17 AM

112. Wowza, I sure won't make that mistake again

It really is not that hard.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:51 PM

94. How about I don't give a shit!

A rose by any other name is still as deadly and is still responsible for 26 dead bodies, 20 of them children, not to mention the THOUSANDS every year killed by these deadly penis extenders. Take this shit back to the gungeon where it belongs.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:19 AM

103. Let the willfully ignorent call them whatever they want...

 

"clips"... magazines... "the shoulder thing that goes up"... whatever.

Substitute the correct terminology with the incorrect one would leave the targeted firearms untouched, and create a LCFD (Large Capacity Feeding Device)/magazine loophole.

I would be elated if the authors/sponsors/cosponsors of any proposed legislation were as willfully ignorant and submitted a bill worded thusly...


b) DEFINITION OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--

`(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as--

`(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);

`(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;

`(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);

`(iv) Colt AR-15;

`(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;

`(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;

`(vii) Steyr AUG;

`(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and

`(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;

`(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine clip and has at least 2 of--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

`(iii) a bayonet mount;

`(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

`(v) a grenade launcher;

`(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine clip and has at least 2 of--

`(i) an ammunition magazine clip that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

`(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;

`(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

`(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

`(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and

`(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

`(iii) a fixed magazine clip capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and

`(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine clip.'.




(b) DEFINITION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 110102(b), is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

`(31) The term `large capacity ammunition feeding device'--

`(A) means a magazine clip, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; but

`(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.'.

(c) PENALTY- Section 924(a)(1)(B) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 110102(c)(1), is amended by striking `or (v)' and inserting `(v), or (w)'.

(d) IDENTIFICATION MARKINGS FOR LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES- Section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 110102(d) of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following: `A large capacity ammunition feeding device manufactured after the date of the enactment of this sentence shall be identified by a serial number that clearly shows that the device was manufactured or imported after the effective date of this subsection, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulation prescribe.'.


Correct terminology does matter... Yup

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Response to -..__... (Reply #103)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:27 AM

105. why pretend to be helpful with this? You admittedly don't want good legislation written.

Just a stupid game, so you can hang on to your stupid toys?

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #105)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:37 AM

108. "Good legislation"?

 

Maybe for you.

I think it sucks.

At least I don't pretend to know what the fuck I'm talking about.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #108)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:51 AM

110. you think any regulation on guns sucks. but the majority of americans do not. you are fringe....

not just here, but out there too. I'm guessing that;s where all this anger and fear is coming from, the mask of the NRA has slipped and the populace is pretty horrified.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #103)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:25 AM

144. Yup. I have no problem banning greater than 10 round clips .....

 

... as all my clips only hold 10 rounds. My 20 and 30 round magazines would be OK.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:30 AM

107. I Don't Need To Know The Lurid Details Of Gun Jargon To Facilitate The Criminalization Of Gun Ownership

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #107)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:20 AM

142. "lurid"

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:48 AM

109. we shouldn't use either word

i think all the military terminology is distracting. if gun owners want to use it amogst themselves, cool

everybody should be able to understand what is being defined

they are bullets. the go in the bullet holder. the number is the real issue

Offensive Weapons Ban

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:00 AM

122. You have far greater patience than I.

Your ability to withstand the personal attacks and respond with information is commendable.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:05 AM

123. Also clip is the term Hasbro uses for their Nerf line of toys.

I think that has a lot to do with some peoples experience with guns.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:53 AM

127. We get our hair clipped, but we read the magazine while we wait

There is that clear enough difference for you?

Details, details details, to the layman, what matters is that 20 innocent children were slain by a man wielding a semi automatic killing machine. It does not matter if there were clips of bullets or a magazine, the results are the same and the response is the same.

We have to stop the killing before the next innocent victims are take before their time.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:00 AM

128. Gun Activist Esoterics, And Nothing More.


The fact is, the terms "magazine" and "clip" have been confused and used interchangeably for decades, by lots of people who own and use guns. Forget the "words have meanings" bullshit---the real meaning of your little hissyfit is a continuing effort to control the vocabulary and thus control the gun issue.

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:45 AM

129. Using "Classroom Clips" creates less confusion that using "Classroom Magazines".

 

People tend to confuse the latter with reading material found in a school classroom, whereas the meaning of former is rather obvious..

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Response to ehrenfeucht games (Reply #129)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:23 AM

143. And generates more hysterical emotion, too.

Mission accomplished, I sadly suspect...

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:55 AM

135. Also, it's "perforating," not "penetrating." JEEZ!!!

A perforating wound has both entrance and exit wounds; a penetrating wound exhibits an entrance wound, but no exit wound.

Also: stop saying exit wounds have abrasion rings!!! THEY DON'T!!! Irregular extruded tissue is NOT an abrasion ring!!

SEARED BLACKENED SKIN IS NOT POWDER TATTOOING!!!!!

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:12 AM

140. Who fucking cares?

More gun whacko minutia claptrap.

How about this instead?


The fucking things that let you pump 5-10 bullets into 20 babies in under a minute?


That make you happier?

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:26 AM

145. I'll see your magazines and raise you one en bloc clip

 

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:28 AM

146. Roach clip!

 

High capacity roach clip!

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Response to Kurska (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:08 PM

149. I'm sure you've noticed the general resistance to gun tech-talk in this thread --

I think it's because gunners very often use their tech-talk to try to shut down meaningful discussion about gun control. You've seen this, I'm sure. Some wingnut says (usually in all caps) - "If you don't know the difference between a dual-groove-lever-action-QMag-johnson-rod and a spring-loaded-woolly-headed-PMag-giggle-stick, then you have no business telling anyone that the SquatMaster-400 should be banned."

Of course, it's really just bullshit, since we all know what guns actually do, and people on the receiving end of a spray of bullets don't give a good god-damn about the technicalities of the delivery system.

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Response to LTX (Reply #149)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:42 PM

152. Well, in fairness, if somebody doesn't know the difference between A and B, and talks about banning

B, that at least should raise some eyebrows.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #152)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:57 PM

155. Can it shoot lots of bullets really fast?

Is its primary purpose offensive, not defensive? Is it manufactured with the accouterments of a military rifle?

The problem with the last assault weapons ban was precisely in the specificity of the legislation. "A" and "B" are, when it comes to the inventiveness of gun-makers, easily inter-changeable, or replaceable with "C". The result is avoidance of technical legislation by further technicality, and manufacture and sale of the same, effective end product.

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Response to LTX (Reply #155)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:09 PM

160. And gun manufacturers tried to build products that skirted the technical definitions

It really comes down to how much damage a product can do in a given period of time.

Most people would agree that there is no Constitutional right for a private citizen to own a nuclear bomb, a cartridge of Sarin gas, a surface-to-air missile, or a grenade launcher.

To the extend that a given device is more like an offensive military weapon and less like anything needed for sport, it should be banned, and anybody who wants to hide behind terminology is a coward.

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