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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:50 PM

More from David Plouffe's warning "left" of tough times. How I feel about such warnings.

I just posted Ed Schultz's segment on David Plouffe in the video forum.

It was about Plouffe's visit to the campus of the University of Delaware. There he told the group that Medicare and Medicaid were the chief drivers of the deficit. He warned that the "left" would have tough times. In fact he said Democrats would have to do tough things on spending entitlement and be criticized by "their left." He did not say "our left", he could have at least made it a little more personal.

There are constant jibes at the left, the liberals. We are always talked about in the 3rd person. Like we are in a separate place or location in time and space from the rest of the party. We are referred to as they or them, never in the 1st person plural like we or us.

As we have moved to the right things have changed in this country. The wars are growing longer, the rich are getting richer, and now the poor are growing poorer.

Each time we get in power now we move right so as not to offend the Republicans, while they have no hesitation about offending us greatly and often.

The most annoying thing of all is the attempt to portray liberals as not very bright, not very politically savvy, unable to see the big picture.

I remembered a post at Daily Kos in 2010 about a diarist talking with David Plouffe at the Tom Harkin steak fry in Iowa. Apparently he showed those colors about the left and the future stances of the party even then.

Social Security and David Plouffe: An Action Diary (Updated)

When David Plouffe held out his hand, I introduced myself as a precinct captain, and told him I'm concerned about the future. I said that I fear that the debt commission will recommend cutting Social Security by raising the retirement age and messing with cost of living adjustments, and that the President will sign the bill.

..."Instead of responding on Social Security, Plouffe started talking about the deficit and how it had to be addressed, implying that it would justify changes to Social Security. I said that according to Krugman and other economists, Social Security doesn't affect the deficit, and people want to cut it just to make the bond market happy. He said they don't always agree with Krugman, and made a little face that said he isn't their favorite. Then he started talking about China and the trade situation, and a mixed salad of other "big issues" facing the White House. I don't remember everything he brought up because I was thinking that he was filibustering to avoid talking about Social Security, and it was frustrating. I think his point was that they have big problems to address, but he did not explain why any of it was relevant to raising the Social Security retirement age.

..."In 2012, he wants Iowa precinct captains on his side, so it would have been in his interest to reassure me when I declined to be distracted by GOP privatization threats and the trade deficit. It would have been easy, but he didn't even try. His body language was closed. He seemed uncomfortable or slightly irritated.







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madfloridian Dec 2012 OP
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #1
boomerbust Dec 2012 #2
Divine Discontent Dec 2012 #5
Divine Discontent Dec 2012 #3
DJ13 Dec 2012 #4
Divine Discontent Dec 2012 #6
DJ13 Dec 2012 #7
madfloridian Dec 2012 #9
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #8
madfloridian Dec 2012 #10
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #11
xtraxritical Dec 2012 #12
progressoid Dec 2012 #28
msongs Dec 2012 #13
Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #14
madfloridian Dec 2012 #15
grasswire Dec 2012 #16
madfloridian Dec 2012 #17
dkf Dec 2012 #18
madfloridian Dec 2012 #22
dkf Dec 2012 #23
madfloridian Dec 2012 #25
cecilfirefox Dec 2012 #19
madfloridian Dec 2012 #20
octoberlib Dec 2012 #21
Teamster Jeff Dec 2012 #24
MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #26
madfloridian Dec 2012 #27

Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:53 PM

1. K&R

 

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:03 PM

2. I had a good laugh

Listening to Pelosi claim chained cpi is not a benefit cut. If they vote for this my voting days are over.

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Response to boomerbust (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:13 PM

5. then what is it, right?

if she's saying that, then yeah, what's the point.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:05 PM

3. hello, Merry Christmas, mf! and yeah, at least say "our left", because when I hear these campaign

talk, far too often it sounds like they're apathetic to what Democrats believe in, and like they're just pols who live and breathe campaigns, and nothing more. To say, "their left", does come across very coldly. And, it's not the popular belief on here at all, but I am under the belief they're going to be upsetting a lot of Dems with some concession in the end that really seems unnecessary. I want to be wrong.

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Response to Divine Discontent (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:08 PM

4. (D) or (R) makes no difference to that type

Third Way "policies" can be interchanged at will between the two parties.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:18 PM

6. right on. they just equate it to getting something done, anything.

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Response to Divine Discontent (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:22 PM

7. I like that image too

Loved the movie, saw that option in the DU avatars and chose it.

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Response to Divine Discontent (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:03 PM

9. And Merry Christmas to you.

All I want for Christmas is to hear honest talk instead of political games.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:02 PM

8. We're willing to make changes. But just cutting benefits doesn't solve any problems

Negotiate for drug prices.

Make the payments to health providers based on health outcomes rather than how many unnecessary tests they can bill for.

etc

etc

etc.

In other words, the problem is not Medicare. The problem is the cost of how we provide health care. Address the right problem and people will be willing to listen to what sacrifices might be necessary.

But don't just shove "austerity" bullshit in our faces at a time when the richest have never been richer and the biggest corporations have never been more profitable. Give them some austerity and then we can talk.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:04 PM

10. "at a time when the richest have never been richer"

Just about the truth.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:07 PM

11. This ruling class asshole should be an appetizer. Fuck him, and Merry Christmas to you.

 

This is the least Christmas-like Christmas I've ever seen.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:55 PM

12. "Contact" the Whitehouse.

 

Let them know of your displeasure. Whitehouse

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 05:50 PM

28. This would be the same whitehouse that

Called the left "crazy" or "fucking ret@%*ded " etc?

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:12 AM

13. st another stupid liberal republican type nt

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:43 AM

14. Merry Christmas, MadFlo

and keep up the good fight. It seems like it's one step forward and three steps back sometimes.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:05 AM

15. Hey Blue. Good to see you.

A merry Christmas to you in Alaska. I am getting some pictures up on Smug Mug after seeing yours.. I visit yours now and then. They are beautiful..

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:31 AM

16. Tweety, on his weekend show, asked this:

Why does Obama balk at making the left accept changes in entitlements -- changes that have to be made?

(paraphrased)

Answer from panel: the left is stubborn on this. Yes, there must be changes to entitlements.

(paraphrased)

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Response to grasswire (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:44 AM

17. Glad I missed that.

Would have stressed me out. They have those talking points down pat.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 02:11 AM

18. The White House has only themselves to blame.

 

They campaigned on the idea that taxing the rich an extra 2-4% solves all the problems of entitlements in perpetuity. What do they expect when they now try to explain the projected budget numbers showing entitlements, especially medicare and Medicaid are the drivers of fiscal insolvency?

I shook my head during the campaign and wondered how people who voted for Obama were going to circle this square. The answer seems to be they won't.

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Response to dkf (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:13 PM

22. This is one of many articles saying that is wrong. 3 graphs included.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/05/the-three-best-charts-on-how-clintons-surpluses-became-bush-and-obamas-deficits/

"All these analyses tell the same story in one key respect, however. The primary drivers of the debt predate Barack Obama. The post-9/11 wars and security build-up, the Bush tax cuts, and the 2001 and 2008 recessions simply began before Obama became president. You can blame him for extending the Bush tax cuts till 2012, or for the stimulus (though the stimulus would never have happened without the 2008 financial crisis), but the structural of deterioration came in the Bush years."

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:23 PM

23. The future demographics were always a problem.

 

No matter how ridiculous things were in the past, policy makers always understood the future challenges. The tragedy is we didn't put ourselves in a position to just have to cope with the future, but added past debt upon debt.

Completely inadequate planning...it's criminal what was done.

Realistic policy makers know the truth in both parties. But they rarely will tell you the truth because its too much for a hurting public to cope with.

Howard Dean would tell you the truth. He gets it.

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Response to dkf (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:45 PM

25. He just agreed with Pelosi that chained cpi is not a tax cut.

I believe his words were that she knows best. I think now and then he goes back to truthtelling, but then he goes right back to the party line talking points.

I am sorry but cutting all those taxes for the wealthy was obviously not the thing to do when juggling two wars. And both Bush and Obama share the blame there.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 02:13 AM

19. I don't shy away from the term liberal, I'll defend it even- but I prefer to just identify myself as

a Democrat. I like impressing this idea of a big tent.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 02:29 AM

20. I would prefer that also.

But I question, and it is others who don't deem that to be real Democratic.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 03:29 AM

21. Medicare and medicaid are the drivers of the deficit?

That's funny. I thought it was funding for unnecessary wars and the bloated military industrial complex. Why do they always conveniently leave that out? Happy Holidays to you!

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:28 PM

24. Progressives/Liberals are definatly on the outside looking in

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 02:06 PM

26. Way to get really hung up on pronouns. Not very bright at all.

 

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 02:21 PM

27. Yes, I am right. I said we are referred to in the third person.

Plouffe said "their" left. Meaning belonging to someone else.

I believe many Democratic leaders think of us that way.

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