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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:22 PM

I'm Sorry...I Realize It's Christmas Eve... And You Might Want To Bookmark This For Later... But...

We need to stop the slaughter.

THAT... is my Christmas wish... and probably Christ's as well.



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Reply I'm Sorry...I Realize It's Christmas Eve... And You Might Want To Bookmark This For Later... But... (Original post)
WillyT Dec 2012 OP
IDoMath Dec 2012 #1
northoftheborder Dec 2012 #2
stevenleser Dec 2012 #4
WillyT Dec 2012 #7
IDoMath Dec 2012 #10
IDoMath Dec 2012 #9
Stonepounder Dec 2012 #19
WillyT Dec 2012 #21
IDoMath Dec 2012 #27
larkrake Dec 2012 #15
SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #34
RC Dec 2012 #17
HarveyDarkey Dec 2012 #24
IDoMath Dec 2012 #28
Glassunion Dec 2012 #29
stevenleser Dec 2012 #38
WillyT Dec 2012 #5
deutsey Dec 2012 #33
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #3
WillyT Dec 2012 #6
In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #8
WillyT Dec 2012 #11
Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #12
WillyT Dec 2012 #39
Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #13
malaise Dec 2012 #14
WillyT Dec 2012 #18
flvegan Dec 2012 #16
WillyT Dec 2012 #22
jerseyjack Dec 2012 #20
WillyT Dec 2012 #23
Whovian Dec 2012 #25
elleng Dec 2012 #26
Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #30
WillyT Dec 2012 #31
cpwm17 Dec 2012 #32
velvet Dec 2012 #35
WillyT Dec 2012 #40
baldguy Dec 2012 #36
99Forever Dec 2012 #37
WillyT Dec 2012 #41

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:36 PM

1. Maybe you can explain to me...

 

After studying creation through filter of physics I find it unimaginable that God cares one wit whether or not we fall on our faces for him.

Taking care of one another seems much closer to his desires for us. So why is the religious right (Christian, Muslim, jew or whatever) obsessed with the idea that its all about giving him credit for every good thing? Does he really care that much about football? I'd think he'd just want everybody to be good sports and not hurt each other.

Maybe I'm just an ignorant rebellious agnostic who doesn't get it?

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:40 PM

2. no, you are not ignorant, just a thinking person, and you get it.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:44 PM

4. Your post was alerted. Here are the results







At Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Maybe you can explain to me...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2068012

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Rudeness. Totally uncalled for.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:43 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Where's the rudeness? I don't see it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Sorry alerter, I don't know what is rude about this or hideworthy.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I dont see anything rude.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:51 PM

7. I Know I Didn't Alert...




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Response to WillyT (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:01 PM

10. Obviously.

 



I know I sound a bit flippant but its sincere

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:59 PM

9. Still hoping for an answer from a believer

 

This question has been bugging me all day.

The vast majority of left-leaning Christians are all about peace and being your brothers' keeper. Y'all will do that with or without reward and punishment. That would seem to me to be the desired outcome.

I'm just hoping you have some insight into the other side which seems to be all about keeping the big scary wizard happy no matter what is involved. I find that view absurd.

I just don't get that bunch. They seem to think God likes bloodshed. I work with a couple of these guys and, while they are outwardly nice guys, the things they claim scare the bejesus out of me.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:48 PM

19. I am not a theologian, but I think the answer to your question is

that some people are having difficulty coping with the speed with which society is changing. My father remembers going to market in a horse drawn wagon. He remembers seeing the first helicopter test flight. I remember the first ATM and was at Ohio State when it became the first major university to replace its card catalog (actual cards) with a computerized system. I remember getting our first television. My grandchildren don't remember ever not having tablet computers or cell phones.

Life has gotten too complex for some people. So, they look for simple rules to follow to lead a 'good life'. And the Old Testament is a whole lot easier than the New. Thou shalt and Thou shalt not. An eye for an eye. And so on. And it is much easier to get permission to hate them as an outlet for your anger over not being able to keep up with a rapidly changing society than trying to love everyone. It is much easier to believe that if you follow the rules then you will get your reward in the next life - whether that is wings and a harp, or some number of virgins.

That is where the fundies are coming from. At least that is my take on it.

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:19 PM

21. Ancient Wisdom...

He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know.

- Lao Tzu


http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/l/laotzu164190.html

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:27 AM

27. Interesting...

 

Just a facet, I think, but a good perspective

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:31 PM

15. bah humbug

ridiculous to alert that, I quite agree and it was not rude at all

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Response to larkrake (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 07:11 AM

34. +1000!

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:42 PM

17. WTH! Rudeness? For wanting to stop the slaughter? On Christmas Eve yet?

 

What is wrong with some people.


That video is what we do to large segments of the world. All that carnage is our doing. WE did it. We cannot ignore the death and destruction WE are visiting on innocent people, who have done nothing wrong, except to be born in the wrong part of the world.

Alerting on it in DU? Whoever did that should be ashamed. How dare anyone try to hide our atrocities from ourselves, when the whole rest of the world knows who the world's worst terrorists are. US, WE, the United States That's who!

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:50 AM

24. I'm just seeing the thread now but...

 

WTF?

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:29 AM

28. Honestly?

 

I wonder if I hit a troll's trigger. Can't be sure of course...

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:37 AM

29. I am flabbergasted at the alert.

Rude? Really?

The poster had explained in not so many words the meaning behind Matthew 22:38.

Rude towards whom exactly?

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 08:55 AM

38. Yes, I didnt get it at all. I was juror #2. I wish I knew what the alerter was getting at here.

I have no idea.

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Response to IDoMath (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:48 PM

5. Here's What I Know... I'm An Atheist Who Has Actually Read Most Of The Text In The Bible...

because it has historical/societal relevance.

We non-believers have a responsibility to know what they think they believe, in order to point out that many many may THINK they are Christian... but have NO IDEA what Christ actually advocated for.

Son of God, Prophet, Original Liberal, Original Hippie, Cool Dude... I do not care.

The fact that us non-believers are the minority on this planet, suggests that you know what the majority thinks.

IOW... Can YOU imagine Jesus advocating the arming of every school in America to protect the kids ???

Old Testament: An eye for an eye.

New Testament: Turn the other cheek.


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Response to IDoMath (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 07:05 AM

33. I think in part it's because people tend to create God in their own image

If you're a rigid authoritarian, chances are so is your God. If you're a tolerant, loving person, chances are so is your God.

That's a bit simplistic and I do think religious belief can be much more nuanced and complex than that, but to a large extent it's true.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:44 PM

3. Best Christmas song ever. Merry Christmas WillyT!!

Thanks for posting this.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:50 PM

6. You Are Quite Welcome !!!


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:52 PM

8. It's my Christmas wish too.



Peace on Earth

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:40 PM

11. Amen...


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:44 PM

12. Right on my friend, right on!

Merry Cristmas WillyT.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:16 PM

39. Merry Christmas Lady Freedom Returns !!!




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:47 PM

13. WAR IS OVER IF YOU WANT IT

Happy Christmas to all.....

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:59 PM

14. Nice

Thanks

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Response to malaise (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:42 PM

18. You Are Quite Welcome !!! - And Happy Holidays !!!




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:36 PM

16. Do no harm.

Live it, embrace it.

Yes, Christ's as well, but most Christians are very, very unlike Christ. Most are clueless as to His teachings.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:51 PM

22. Word !!!






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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:57 PM

20. So sad, in so many ways.

 

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:46 AM

23. True, But... It Begs The True Meaning Of Christmas, No ???


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:51 AM

25. K&R

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:55 AM

26. Yes, we must.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:57 AM

30. Merry Christmas to one of my favorite DUers.

Your wish is my wish, too.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 02:16 AM

31. Merry Christmas Blue_In_AK !!!

Blue_In_AK




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 02:33 AM

32. Anybody that supports war or oppression that causes war

from any party or from any country is responsible for those tragic scenes. That is why there is war: many in the public support it.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 08:40 AM

35. And so this is christmas

Every Christmas my mother would put this on the turntable and turn the volume up to Very Loud. She wanted the neighbours to hear it too. She's been gone many years now, almost as many as the song's creator. If I think of it I play it in her memory at Christmas. I'd forgotten till now, so thanks for the reminder, WillyT.

She used to walk beside me in the peace marches of yore.



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Response to velvet (Reply #35)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:17 PM

40. You Are Quite Welcome, velvet !!!

Merry Christmas !!!

And thank you for sharing your story.




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 08:42 AM

36. Amen

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 08:45 AM

37. K&R

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 08:35 PM

41. Last Kick From Me... Happy Christmas !!!




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