Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:26 PM
NNguyenMD (1,179 posts)
Is it hypocritical for folks who decline organ donation to be organ recipients?
A few experiences I've had in the ICU where a patient's family has declined organ donation prompted this question.
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43 replies, 1055 views
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| NNguyenMD | Dec 2012 | OP | |
| union_maid | Dec 2012 | #1 | |
| Recursion | Dec 2012 | #2 | |
| justice1 | Dec 2012 | #38 | |
| banned from Kos | Dec 2012 | #3 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Dec 2012 | #4 | |
| Panasonic | Dec 2012 | #5 | |
| brewens | Dec 2012 | #6 | |
| Arkansas Granny | Dec 2012 | #7 | |
| lastlib | Dec 2012 | #8 | |
| NNguyenMD | Dec 2012 | #15 | |
| robinlynne | Dec 2012 | #26 | |
| NNguyenMD | Dec 2012 | #34 | |
| Posteritatis | Dec 2012 | #30 | |
| Skittles | Dec 2012 | #9 | |
| SheilaT | Dec 2012 | #10 | |
| Blasphemer | Dec 2012 | #11 | |
| Glitterati | Dec 2012 | #12 | |
| Blasphemer | Dec 2012 | #13 | |
| Glitterati | Dec 2012 | #41 | |
| OneTenthofOnePercent | Dec 2012 | #14 | |
| NNguyenMD | Dec 2012 | #18 | |
| OneTenthofOnePercent | Dec 2012 | #19 | |
| BigDemVoter | Dec 2012 | #16 | |
| NNguyenMD | Dec 2012 | #20 | |
| REP | Dec 2012 | #17 | |
| Bigmack | Dec 2012 | #21 | |
| JI7 | Dec 2012 | #22 | |
| OldDem2012 | Dec 2012 | #23 | |
| Daemonaquila | Dec 2012 | #24 | |
| NNguyenMD | Dec 2012 | #29 | |
| Luke5420 | Dec 2012 | #25 | |
| bluesbassman | Dec 2012 | #27 | |
| Dorian Gray | Dec 2012 | #36 | |
| Scootaloo | Dec 2012 | #28 | |
| KT2000 | Dec 2012 | #31 | |
| NNguyenMD | Dec 2012 | #32 | |
| ismnotwasm | Dec 2012 | #33 | |
| mitchtv | Dec 2012 | #35 | |
| ismnotwasm | Dec 2012 | #37 | |
| truebluegreen | Dec 2012 | #39 | |
| Lugnut | Dec 2012 | #40 | |
| RomneyLies | Dec 2012 | #42 | |
| cecilfirefox | Dec 2012 | #43 |
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:27 PM
union_maid (3,497 posts)
1. Well, yes
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Of course, if the family is making the decision and not the patient, I guess that wouldn't apply.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:30 PM
Recursion (25,495 posts)
2. I've totally never understood that
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I mean, unless you're in one of those small religious sects that has a theological reason against it, why the hell do people care what happens to their organs after they're dead? It's weird to me.
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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:53 PM
justice1 (711 posts)
38. My mom watched Coma back in the 70's, and will not even consider it.
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Her theory being, the rich would start harvesting organs, before the poor were done with them...Come to think of it, this has been done in other parts of the world.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:31 PM
banned from Kos (4,017 posts)
3. I am a (prospective) organ donor
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so I say yes.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:31 PM
nadinbrzezinski (120,271 posts)
4. I am an organ donor
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So yes.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:38 PM
Panasonic (2,921 posts)
5. Yes.
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Also an organ donor. My dad encouraged me even after reading the Jewish law about it.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:46 PM
brewens (3,011 posts)
6. I hear frequently that people won't donate because they charge for the organ or blood.
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It's usually someone I can tell is a crank, not too smart or usually both. I work for a blood center. I usually don't waste my time on those people.
I've explained to several that while we are a not for profit corporation, I and the rest of the staff are paid and in some cases fairly highly trained. In my case, I make around $38 thousand, so we aren't exactly the highest paid people around. We of course have to charge for the blood, even though people donate it to us. It's the same with the organ donors. That is something I understood long before I got a job in the business. I was both a blood and organ donor. Soon I will make my 100th platelet donation, and that's at about three units per donation. I have also seen the organ harvest team get off the plane at our local airport. They rushed by wheeling their equipment and piled in a van headed for the hospital. I can assure you that isn't cheap. |
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:46 PM
Arkansas Granny (14,634 posts)
7. Yes.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:58 PM
lastlib (3,769 posts)
8. OTOH, do you want people who have defective organs to be donating those organs to others?
Response to lastlib (Reply #8)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:28 PM
NNguyenMD (1,179 posts)
15. More like if you're personally against organ donation...
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for whatever reason, shouldn't you be against being an organ recipient for a medical condition.
Also, shouldn't society be able to decline giving organs to people who have refused to sign up as organ donors in the past. |
Response to NNguyenMD (Reply #15)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:05 PM
robinlynne (15,164 posts)
26. YOu know. Your idea could save a lot of lives. If we made donation mandatory to be able to receive,
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everyone would sign up in a minute. More lives would be saved. winner!
In China, elder care is provided by people starting in their forties. The number of hours you give to help older people is counted. that is the number of hours you get when you are older. Makes absolute sense ! |
Response to robinlynne (Reply #26)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:42 PM
NNguyenMD (1,179 posts)
34. Thanks robinlynne, it's just something that's bothered me
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I understand when a family is grieving, organ donation is one of the last subjects they want to discuss.
But at the same time, I feel that most people would not hesitate to receive an organ if it meant life or death. |
Response to lastlib (Reply #8)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:29 PM
Posteritatis (17,280 posts)
30. Presumably the doctors have some kind of say in whether an organ is defective or not. (nt)
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:18 PM
Skittles (86,303 posts)
9. of course it is
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just like it is hypocritical for healthy people to expect to receive blood if they need it when they could never be bothered to donate blood - the world is filled with hypocrites
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:21 PM
SheilaT (12,447 posts)
10. Yes. And it's also hypocritical for those opposed to things like stem cell research
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to then avail themselves of the benefits of the research. As Skittles said, there are a lot of hypocrites out there.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:22 PM
Blasphemer (2,398 posts)
11. Hell, yes.
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Last edited Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:23 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) If someone had a belief system (spiritual or otherwise) that precludes donation, they sure as hell should not be accepting donated organs. I would only make an exception for children or incapacitated people whose guardians decline donation for them.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:23 PM
Glitterati (1,146 posts)
12. Not always
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Last edited Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:23 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) My husband was an organ donor. But, they couldn't take his organs when he died because of a hospital acquired MRSA infection.
Sometimes, there are simply mitigating factors which prevent organ donation out of a person's control. |
Response to Glitterati (Reply #12)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:27 PM
Blasphemer (2,398 posts)
13. I wouldn't put that in the same category
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He didn't decline, really. He was willing to serve others but unable to do so for reasons outside of his control.
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Response to Blasphemer (Reply #13)
Tue Dec 25, 2012, 06:46 PM
Glitterati (1,146 posts)
41. That's true, but
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If he was eligible for a heart transplant, we would have joyfully accepted.
It wasn't a decision we got to make, but I assure you he would have preferred to walk his daughter down the aisle and held his grandchildren. |
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:27 PM
OneTenthofOnePercent (6,268 posts)
14. It's their body, thier choice, and they can do what they want to it.
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Doesn't matter if it's logical, makes sense or is hypocritical. People only really have to answer to their own personal metric and what they think of themselves. People worry too much about garnering everyone else's approval of their lifestyle.
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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #14)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:37 PM
NNguyenMD (1,179 posts)
18. I agree that you should never be forced to donate your organs
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but does that person who decline to join the organ donation pool get to receive an organ when the time comes when they need one?
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Response to NNguyenMD (Reply #18)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:41 PM
OneTenthofOnePercent (6,268 posts)
19. Under the current laws, yes. Is it hypocritical... maybe. How about this scenario:
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A woman has an abortion (no problem, completely her choice). Should she subsequently be barred from ever adopting a child or receiving any other reproductive treatments?
I say no. |
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:28 PM
BigDemVoter (732 posts)
16. Depends. . .
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Some people don't qualify for organ donation. . .
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Response to BigDemVoter (Reply #16)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:53 PM
NNguyenMD (1,179 posts)
20. True, but most folks even most physicians
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aren't able to determine who is suitable and who isn't. That's why it's important to have a large pool.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:32 PM
REP (18,287 posts)
17. Due to the disease that makes me a potential recipient, I'm not good donor material
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If I ever get to the point I need tx, my major organs will be in worse shape than they are now (kidney disease is hard on everything) but I give blood when ever I'm allowed to do so, and anyone is welcome to what they can use.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:56 PM
Bigmack (6,581 posts)
21. Hey... part me out like an old Chevy. WTF...I won't need them anymore. nt
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:01 PM
JI7 (40,076 posts)
22. yes, unless the reason is they can't donate because of medical reasons
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:03 PM
OldDem2012 (3,526 posts)
23. Yes, absolutely. nt.
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:58 PM
Daemonaquila (791 posts)
24. No.
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People have many reasons to not donate, including being willing but not wanting to register that automatically and have it on their drivers license. They don't want it to possibly influence an ER or other medical decision, but expect family members would make a reasonable decision. Others choose not to out of respect for their family members' wishes. There's no hypocrisy, any more than not supporting research into a particular condition one's entire life, then developing that condition and getting treatment others have paid for.
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Response to Daemonaquila (Reply #24)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:28 PM
NNguyenMD (1,179 posts)
29. Donated organs are an incredibly scarce resource
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Last edited Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:36 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) As a matter of fairness, I don't see how someone who refused to be listed as an organ donor can in good conscience expect to be listed on a transplant list for a heart, liver or kidney.
People die waiting for the next available organ. The families and patients who do donate, are giving an incredibly personal gift. Out of respect to these donors, these organs should not go to those who refuse to contribute or feel entitled to this gift of life. |
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
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Response to Luke5420 (Reply #25)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:13 PM
bluesbassman (12,900 posts)
27. No, do you have any links to verified intances of this occurring?
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Sounds rather like urban myth to me.
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Response to bluesbassman (Reply #27)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:46 PM
Dorian Gray (7,549 posts)
36. I think that was the idea that the FICTIONAL
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book Coma was based upon.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:13 PM
Scootaloo (5,864 posts)
28. It's hypocritical, but that shouldn't be a bar to receiving treatment they need
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I can't imagine the outlook that makes people not want to donate organs. Frankly, if I'm dead, my heart isn't doing me an ounce of good, might as well give it to someone else!
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:31 PM
KT2000 (9,715 posts)
31. I am a potential organ donor but
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I will not accept donor organs for myself.
I do think it is hypocritical to decline donation if one is open to the possibility of receiving organ donation. Maybe the people have health problems that they don't want to talk about that would prevent donation. |
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:35 PM
NNguyenMD (1,179 posts)
32. Thanks for everyone's thoughtful replies
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:41 PM
ismnotwasm (9,667 posts)
33. Not exactly
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I work in transplant and its all to often a ethical knifes edge. Devout Jehovah's Witnesses, for instance will accept a transplant (kidney anyway) but still refuse blood products.
You learn to be careful with judgement and pick your battles. In transplant, people will question everything from the gender to the age to the race of the patient. Which are usually the wrong questions. We give what's called en bloc kidney's--that's both kidneys from a deceased child--to 50 or 60 year old people. It's not wrong. In ICU, death is such an emotional experience, decisions aren't always made with clear thought. So while could be hypocritical in some instances I suppose, not in all. |
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:34 PM
mitchtv (17,361 posts)
35. question: Is it hypocritical for organ administrators to refuse donated organs
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to marijuana users, yet accept organ donations from pot smokers?
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Response to mitchtv (Reply #35)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:13 PM
ismnotwasm (9,667 posts)
37. Any known drug use is disclosed to the recipient
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It's their choice to accept what are called 'high risk organs', including drug overdoses victims etc.
The pot smoking thing is mostly because of the profound immunosuppression one needs for a successful transplant makes the recipient extremely vulnerable to very deadly,opportunistic fungus infections. I did ask an infectious disease doctor during a lecture if cooking and/or baking it would kill off any mold or fungus, and he said he didn't know. It would be nice TO know, because getting a transplant is rough. |
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:27 AM
truebluegreen (1,637 posts)
39. Yes.
Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:08 AM
Lugnut (8,712 posts)
40. Yes.
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I am an organ donor. I am also donating my body to science for use wherever it's needed. I won't need any body parts when I'm gone and if my body can be used for research of any kind, have at it.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Tue Dec 25, 2012, 06:49 PM
RomneyLies (3,333 posts)
42. IMO, organ donation should be mandatory.
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Once dead, nobody has any reason to keep them.
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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)
Tue Dec 25, 2012, 06:55 PM
cecilfirefox (772 posts)
43. Absolutely, yes- you don't pay into the system, you don't get benefits by it. If I were a legislator
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it's something I'd try to put into law.
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