Drunk driving and guns.

...I don't touch either one if I had alcohol during the previous 24 hours.

Alcohol does a pretty good job on judgment and emotional reactions.

Don't essentialize. General categories and and descriptions for masses of people are not very accurate when looking at individuals.

And I know what alcohol does. As a kid, I lived with an alcoholic stepfather for 8 years. Oddly, he was at his worst when he was sober.

Alcohol reduces inhibitions and impairs judgment. A person may think he or she is sharp with a little alcohol, but he isn't. It's highly addictive and has a very low lethal dose.

Posted earlier on DU. Good to have a sane policy and process to at least look at. It is possible to have both guns and public safety. We also keep 10,000,000 passengers a day, give or take, safe aboard our airplanes.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-rejects-us-gun-lobby-claims-security-18057515

Who is "We?"

There are 100,000 US flights a day with average 100 passengers per flight that are safe because of it. The same needs to happen for the domestic weapons situation now.

that ended in the deaths of hostages. I can remember many more accidents of military planes causing death than commercial flights. The answer imho lies in getting rid of the problem which n this case is the gun.

We can do it with guns.

Actual complex problems rarely have simple solutions.

is often the best solution.

As far as I can tell, our gun laws have been all over the map that time. Why has gun violence consistently gone down?

Sorry. I don't buy your RKBA entrenched logic. Guns are designed to kill people and that's where they excel. They need to be curbed in this nation precisely because of people like you.

Gun violence in schools is way, way, way down. Yes, including mass shootings.

A single-decade time series would have a less clear regression. But, I mean, look at that drop from 96 to 98.

which is what we have cut in half.

Eeeew!

If it ends up like banning drugs has, it's going to kill significantly more people than it saves.

Drugs kill the users, Guns kill their users perceived enemies. See the difference?

Whether in fights between illegal sellers or through police enforcement. And once again poor people, especially minorities, will bear the brunt of this.

No, people won't make their own guns, for the most part. Very few make their own drugs. I'm not even sure what a marijuana plant looks like, come to think of it.

Let them have at each other with bats or whatever. I doubt many children will be hit by stray swings.

... it would be worth trying.

It can't be perfect, so don't even try!

Never heard that excellent piece of wisdom before. You think that up on your own?

Would make things worse.

I have actually thought my position through, you know.

... which quite apparently you didn't. I got your message.

Just another one of the same old tired NRA talking points to protect your *precious*.

I absolutely get it, nothing could be clearer.

Repeat ad nausium, it really works wonders.

So, no precious here. Cheers!

None of you people arguing for the mo'gunz solution do.


I SO believe you!

Large scale civilian gun ownership is both a cause of violence and a symptom of it. We are a society that has come to think of violence rather than discourse as a solution to many problems. That's why there are so many "gun nuts" who are stocking up on "survival" gear and waiting for "SHTF" (shit hits the fan, meaning a collapse of civil society). They've given up on society even though we are not actually facing any existential threats (except global warming).

Cultures by definition are self reproducing. In the USA, violent culture is expressed by things like guns, police violence, aggressive foreign policy, callousness in domestic policy, capital punishment, tolerance for poverty even among children, or preferred entertainment forms and others. The attitudes that promote these things also cause people to accept them as normal. The national narrative claims that violence won independence, ended slavery, won the west, defeated fascism and communism.

As Michael Moore noted, Canadians have a lot of guns, but very little violent crime. (They do have strict gun control.) For the most part, Canadians just are not violence people. Similarly, when I was in Jordan last summer, I never felt like I needed some way to protect myself. Civilian firearms are illegal in Jordan. The people do not want or need them in large part because Jordanians just are not violent people. As a tallish, fat, white man, I stuck out like a sore thumb, but there was never even the suggestion of hostility.

depending on where they live.

But if we want to seriously combat guns, let's use serious logic people please! These are the type of posts that right wingers will use to laugh at our arguments. We have a serious crises on our hands right now. And we have real reason to stop what is happening.

Driving drunk is a crime.

Owning a gun is not a crime.

Murdering people with a gun is, however, a crime... and we have a total ban on murder just as we have a total ban on drunk driving.

No part of the analogy makes sense.

1) Anyone who agrees with the slogan in the OP is a frigging idiot. It is senseless. It says nothing about anything... it is a very sad logical dysfunction reduced to bumper-sticker form.

2) You claim that "the rest of the world," defined as non gun fetishists, thinks it makes sense.

3) Either everyone in the world who is not a gun fetishist is a gibbering idiot (unlikely) or your estimation of the situation is flawed.


I realize that you think some good is accomplished by posting nonsensical arguments for gun control, but that is not the case.

Gun control will be brought about by people thinking intelligent thoughts about policy, not by this sort of 2+2=3 nonsense that is absurd on its face to anyone not already in the choir.

We have reduced drunk driving without banning alcohol by criminalizing and strongly enforcing laws against the misuse of alcohol. So there is no gun analogy in sight.

And as for your grandiose assumption that you are in some contest with "gun fetishists," I am pro gun control, do not consider the 2nd Amd a personal right, and have never owned or even fired a gun.

But that does not mean that I am going to jerk around like a fool pretending that nonsensical arguments are wise.

Most of them seem to believe that there are only two types of people, those who want guns banned and the drooling idiots of the NRA.