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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:05 PM

The shooter in Webster did 17 years for killing his grandmother.

I just heard it on NPR a few minutes ago.

People who commit any form of matricide should be put away forever, in my opinion.

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Reply The shooter in Webster did 17 years for killing his grandmother. (Original post)
DollarBillHines Dec 2012 OP
_Liann_ Dec 2012 #1
Zax2me Dec 2012 #2
Logical Dec 2012 #7
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #9
Logical Dec 2012 #11
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #14
OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #25
Igel Dec 2012 #29
riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #3
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #5
riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #17
DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #10
Whovian Dec 2012 #4
realgreen Dec 2012 #6
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #12
realgreen Dec 2012 #19
ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #8
DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #15
slackmaster Dec 2012 #13
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #16
DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #18
samsingh Dec 2012 #22
laundry_queen Dec 2012 #24
Festivito Dec 2012 #20
samsingh Dec 2012 #21
Jenoch Dec 2012 #23
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #26
REP Dec 2012 #27
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #28

Response to DollarBillHines (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:07 PM

1. We could fix this if we tried harder. NT

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Response to DollarBillHines (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:08 PM

2. Death penalty would have prevented this, then -

 

Arguments, useless.
Some truths have no gray area.
Sorry.

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Response to Zax2me (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:14 PM

7. Wow, really? So how about the average of 1 person a year let off death row? That bother you? And....

the Texas arsonist who was executed and innocent?

Do more reading on the Innocence Project.

How progressive of you.

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Response to Logical (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:17 PM

9. That's precisely why I oppose capital punishment.

There's no "reset button," no way to fix a mistake. Show me a perfect justice system, and I'll rethink my position. Until then, I'll oppose the death penalty.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:18 PM

11. Life in prison is also cheaper. And then mistakes can be fixed if needed. n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:19 PM

14. And even if it weren't, it's money well spent...

...to make sure the state doesn't murder an innocent person.

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Response to Zax2me (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:06 PM

25. Not gun control? Seriously?

 

I'd begun to believe I'd never again see someone at DU place the blame for a murder on the murderer.

Huh.

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Response to OneMoreDemocrat (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:38 PM

29. He killed her with a hammer.

And was let out.

No call for hammer regulation, limitations on the size of hammers or a special claw permit.

The problem is he was let out.

The counterproblem is how to weigh reform and repentance (and therefore mercy) with locking up every murderer and throwing away the key?

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:11 PM

5. How come UK is always ahead with all the news?

I mean this happened here in the States, and we're still behind. Kind of makes you think

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:22 PM

17. CNN was very slow in reporting this

and I really think there is big censorship....The MSM is NOT Liberal controlled...

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:18 PM

10. He beat a 92-year-old woman to death with a HAMMER

Damn, that pic of him is unsettling.

I would like to hear from the members of his parole board.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:11 PM

4. Unfortunately room must be made in prisons for Marijauna offenders

 

which are more politically advantageous to politicians than killers.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:13 PM

6. The NRA fights so hard to make sure criminals aren't put in prison

 

Another sad example of how they rule this country.

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Response to realgreen (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:18 PM

12. Example?

Don't get me wrong: I can't stand the NRA. But in general, they tend to advocate "tougher laws" as one solution to gun-related crime. Do you have some citations?

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:35 PM

19. They don't believe in prison time for people that have one of those things in public

 

It's a pretty damn radical and irrational decision.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:16 PM

8. Hmmm...I both agree you and disagree with you at the same time.

My brain is arguing it out.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:20 PM

15. Check this out, maybe it will help

He beat a 92 year-old woman to death with a hammer.

Be sure to scroll down to his pic.

His 67 year-old sister (who he lived with) is unaccounted for.

There be monsters out there.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2252856/Christmas-Eve-gun-horror-Two-firemen-shot-dead-assault-rifle-gunman-set-blaze-lure-deadly-trap.html

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Response to DollarBillHines (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:19 PM

13. 17 years wasn't long enough in his case

 

He was a very bad person.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:22 PM

16. Yikes! I hate to judge a book by its cover...

...but sometimes the cover just plain screams "batshit crazy" at you:

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:30 PM

18. Charlie Manson's got nothing on this dude.

I wonder if they will find his sister.

She's probably in the ashes.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:59 PM

22. he looks crazy

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:03 PM

24. Looks like Jesus's evil twin. nt

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Response to DollarBillHines (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:55 PM

20. When he got out of prison, that ended any mental health help for sure.

I would infer there to be at minimum anger management issues.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:59 PM

21. before they are released to the public

they should first live with the parole officers, the people granting parole, and the mental health officials who say the felons are no longer a threat. This should be at their homes for a cumulative year or two.

bet they don't get released that often after that .

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Response to DollarBillHines (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:02 PM

23. The sentences for homicide were shorter back then.

I believe now a crime of the nature would be life without release. (Do we have parole any longer)?

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:16 PM

26. New York State does have parole...

but not discretionary for violent felony offenders since 1998 ( https://www.parole.ny.gov/faq.html )

When Governor Pataki signed into law the Sentencing Reform Act of 1998, commonly referred to as Jenna's Law, he eliminated parole release for all violent felony offenders (VFO's) in New York State. The Governor had previously eliminated parole release for second time VFO's when he signed the Sentencing Reform Act of 1995.

As a result of these laws, all violent felony offenders sentenced to state prison must now serve 6/7 of their court-imposed sentence before being released. There is no discretionary release for these individuals. After serving 6/7 of the sentence, the offender must then also begin serving a period of court-imposed post-release supervision of 1.5 to 5 years.

While serving the period of post-release supervision, the offender is under the jurisdiction of the New York State Division of Parole and is supervised in the community by a New York State Parole Officer.

From the CNN article (here http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/24/us/new-york-firefighters-shooting/index.html )

Spengler was convicted in 1981 of first-degree manslaughter in the death of his grandmother and had been released on supervised parole

There is no parole at the federal level currently.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:19 PM

27. A lot shorter

Richard Grissom Jr beat an elderly woman to death with a railroad spike, served three years - and later killed at least four more women.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:25 PM

28. I wonder where the gun show was that he attended and bought his gun?

 

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