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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:51 PM

The last great Republican....



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Reply The last great Republican.... (Original post)
Playinghardball Dec 2012 OP
samsingh Dec 2012 #1
Vox Moi Dec 2012 #2
BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #4
riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #3
Cirque du So-What Dec 2012 #5
Jenoch Dec 2012 #6
Cirque du So-What Dec 2012 #7
patrice Dec 2012 #11
Leontius Dec 2012 #17
Cirque du So-What Dec 2012 #18
patrice Dec 2012 #9
Cirque du So-What Dec 2012 #10
patrice Dec 2012 #12
patrice Dec 2012 #8
patrice Dec 2012 #15
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #13
patrice Dec 2012 #14
pipewrench Dec 2012 #16
adieu Dec 2012 #19
Recursion Dec 2012 #20
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #21
mckara Dec 2012 #22

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:52 PM

1. maybe

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:54 PM

2. I like Ike.

Yes, a great Republican.
A man from the days when were all Americans first.

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Response to Vox Moi (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:56 PM

4. True

Ike would never be a Republican in today's world. Too sensible.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:55 PM

3. He was a prophet

K & R

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:59 PM

5. I'm growing weary of creeping 'Ike worship' on DU

Despite his prescient warning about the MIC on the eve of his departure from public office, Eisenhower bears great responsibility for nurturing that monster during his two terms.

Sure, he was less obviously conservative than modern-day repugs, but he played a major role in getting the 'cold war' rolling along - and so did his predecessor, Truman, for that matter.

Sorry, I'm under the influence of Oliver Stone's Untold American History, so I'm lamenting the election of 1944, in which true progressive Henry Wallace was edged out as FDR's VP in favor of Truman.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:06 PM

6. It's easy to be critical of the cold war now.

Do you think we should have been 'friendly' with the Soviets?

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:16 PM

7. I refuse to be so simplistic in my analysis

Let me pose a REAL question: do YOU think it was a good thing to have squandered our national resources on nuclear arms proliferation under the guise of closing the so-called 'missile gap?'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_gap

All fucking lies! Note that I do not even consider JFK blameless in this virtual coup against democracy, although he did give signs of reconsidering escalation of US involvement in Vietnam...and I'll leave it at that.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:45 PM

11. It's that whole fucking idea that you're going to have a war, without killing soldiers, whom you

don't want to be killing, btw, 'cause if you get 'em killed, above and beyond whatever the SOPs are for creating "heroes", they're going to turn against you and your wars, or break and off themselves and others by more or less direct means of murder-suicide.

So what you need is a machine to make wars for you from a distance. Point & pull the trigger. High kill rate, low human resource investment, problem solved. "We" can make war, wherever, whenever, whyever "we" want. Just be sure the "right machines" are being produced for WHOEVER wants them and that's how we got to where we are today.

* Rhetorical "you" of course.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:18 PM

17. Your REAL question is also quite simplistic.

As is your "analysis" of the "fucking lies".

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Response to Leontius (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:26 PM

18. Do tell

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:24 PM

9. People MUST remember, Military IS different from you and me, in an extremely important way. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:28 PM

10. I daresay fundamental way

and I fear that our elected officials are held hostage to the whims of war profiteers.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:48 PM

12. Whims easily communicated well enough through our "psychology" driven toxic financial sector. nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:21 PM

8. You know Democrats tried to draft him in'48, don't you? Ended up with Truman v. Henry Wallace

in the Democratic primaries instead. HENRY WALLACE, a Progressive Party candidate, who expressed progressive ideas and concerns about the coming MIC, very similar to this statement from Eisenhower.

I think Eisenhower listened very carefully to the whole Democratic primary and, of course, the Republicans were quite interested in how a bunch of Democrats, Strom Thurmond et al, walked out of the convention over the Civil Rights plank. It happens, something else that Wallace very likely had an influence on during that time, as he was known, amongst other things, for his "Third Wayish" ideas about what do about Racism in the South.

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Response to patrice (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:53 PM

15. AND, btw, that convention was a squeeeeeeker for Truman. nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:48 PM

13. wow..and here we are right now :(

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:50 PM

14. Creepy isn't it? I saw some ALEC templates several months ago for "Juvenile Justice" LaPierre style.

No kidding.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:55 PM

16. words of wisdom

thanks Playinghardball

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:32 PM

19. Ike was never really a Republicans

He was more Democratic than Republican, even for his era, not for our era. The Republican asked him to be part of their party in order to have him run for president. As it were, the whole Republican party of that era was much more sensible and pragmatic than this era's GOP. Heck, more sensible than the Democratic party of this era. Certainly more liberal than this era's Democratic party.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:44 PM

20. Umm... that was his excuse for dragging his feet on Integration, I think (nt)

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:46 PM

21. Makes me want to cry again as I did when I first saw the picture of the children in Little Rock

on the front page of our newspaper.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:53 PM

22. Nowadays, It Sounds Like an Oxymoron!

But I agree, 100%!!!!

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