| Author | Time | Post | |
| Playinghardball | Dec 2012 | OP | |
| samsingh | Dec 2012 | #1 | |
| Vox Moi | Dec 2012 | #2 | |
| BigDemVoter | Dec 2012 | #4 | |
| riverbendviewgal | Dec 2012 | #3 | |
| Cirque du So-What | Dec 2012 | #5 | |
| Jenoch | Dec 2012 | #6 | |
| Cirque du So-What | Dec 2012 | #7 | |
| patrice | Dec 2012 | #11 | |
| Leontius | Dec 2012 | #17 | |
| Cirque du So-What | Dec 2012 | #18 | |
| patrice | Dec 2012 | #9 | |
| Cirque du So-What | Dec 2012 | #10 | |
| patrice | Dec 2012 | #12 | |
| patrice | Dec 2012 | #8 | |
| patrice | Dec 2012 | #15 | |
| SummerSnow | Dec 2012 | #13 | |
| patrice | Dec 2012 | #14 | |
| pipewrench | Dec 2012 | #16 | |
| adieu | Dec 2012 | #19 | |
| Recursion | Dec 2012 | #20 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2012 | #21 | |
| mckara | Dec 2012 | #22 |
Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:52 PM
samsingh (10,352 posts)
1. maybe
Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:54 PM
Vox Moi (228 posts)
2. I like Ike.
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Yes, a great Republican.
A man from the days when were all Americans first. |
Response to Vox Moi (Reply #2)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:56 PM
BigDemVoter (732 posts)
4. True
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Ike would never be a Republican in today's world. Too sensible.
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:55 PM
riverbendviewgal (2,461 posts)
3. He was a prophet
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K & R
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:59 PM
Cirque du So-What (8,924 posts)
5. I'm growing weary of creeping 'Ike worship' on DU
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Despite his prescient warning about the MIC on the eve of his departure from public office, Eisenhower bears great responsibility for nurturing that monster during his two terms.
Sure, he was less obviously conservative than modern-day repugs, but he played a major role in getting the 'cold war' rolling along - and so did his predecessor, Truman, for that matter. Sorry, I'm under the influence of Oliver Stone's Untold American History, so I'm lamenting the election of 1944, in which true progressive Henry Wallace was edged out as FDR's VP in favor of Truman. |
Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #5)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:06 PM
Jenoch (1,658 posts)
6. It's easy to be critical of the cold war now.
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Do you think we should have been 'friendly' with the Soviets?
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Response to Jenoch (Reply #6)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:16 PM
Cirque du So-What (8,924 posts)
7. I refuse to be so simplistic in my analysis
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Let me pose a REAL question: do YOU think it was a good thing to have squandered our national resources on nuclear arms proliferation under the guise of closing the so-called 'missile gap?'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_gap All fucking lies! Note that I do not even consider JFK blameless in this virtual coup against democracy, although he did give signs of reconsidering escalation of US involvement in Vietnam...and I'll leave it at that. |
Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #7)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:45 PM
patrice (47,455 posts)
11. It's that whole fucking idea that you're going to have a war, without killing soldiers, whom you
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don't want to be killing, btw, 'cause if you get 'em killed, above and beyond whatever the SOPs are for creating "heroes", they're going to turn against you and your wars, or break and off themselves and others by more or less direct means of murder-suicide.
So what you need is a machine to make wars for you from a distance. Point & pull the trigger. High kill rate, low human resource investment, problem solved. "We" can make war, wherever, whenever, whyever "we" want. Just be sure the "right machines" are being produced for WHOEVER wants them and that's how we got to where we are today. * Rhetorical "you" of course. |
Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #7)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:18 PM
Leontius (850 posts)
17. Your REAL question is also quite simplistic.
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As is your "analysis" of the "fucking lies".
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Response to Leontius (Reply #17)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:26 PM
Cirque du So-What (8,924 posts)
18. Do tell
Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #5)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:24 PM
patrice (47,455 posts)
9. People MUST remember, Military IS different from you and me, in an extremely important way. nt
Response to patrice (Reply #9)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:28 PM
Cirque du So-What (8,924 posts)
10. I daresay fundamental way
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and I fear that our elected officials are held hostage to the whims of war profiteers.
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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #10)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:48 PM
patrice (47,455 posts)
12. Whims easily communicated well enough through our "psychology" driven toxic financial sector. nt
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:21 PM
patrice (47,455 posts)
8. You know Democrats tried to draft him in'48, don't you? Ended up with Truman v. Henry Wallace
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in the Democratic primaries instead. HENRY WALLACE, a Progressive Party candidate, who expressed progressive ideas and concerns about the coming MIC, very similar to this statement from Eisenhower.
I think Eisenhower listened very carefully to the whole Democratic primary and, of course, the Republicans were quite interested in how a bunch of Democrats, Strom Thurmond et al, walked out of the convention over the Civil Rights plank. It happens, something else that Wallace very likely had an influence on during that time, as he was known, amongst other things, for his "Third Wayish" ideas about what do about Racism in the South. |
Response to patrice (Reply #8)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:53 PM
patrice (47,455 posts)
15. AND, btw, that convention was a squeeeeeeker for Truman. nt
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:48 PM
SummerSnow (961 posts)
13. wow..and here we are right now :(
Response to SummerSnow (Reply #13)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:50 PM
patrice (47,455 posts)
14. Creepy isn't it? I saw some ALEC templates several months ago for "Juvenile Justice" LaPierre style.
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No kidding.
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:55 PM
pipewrench (194 posts)
16. words of wisdom
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thanks Playinghardball
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:32 PM
adieu (488 posts)
19. Ike was never really a Republicans
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He was more Democratic than Republican, even for his era, not for our era. The Republican asked him to be part of their party in order to have him run for president. As it were, the whole Republican party of that era was much more sensible and pragmatic than this era's GOP. Heck, more sensible than the Democratic party of this era. Certainly more liberal than this era's Democratic party.
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:44 PM
Recursion (25,575 posts)
20. Umm... that was his excuse for dragging his feet on Integration, I think (nt)
Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:46 PM
JDPriestly (37,767 posts)
21. Makes me want to cry again as I did when I first saw the picture of the children in Little Rock
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on the front page of our newspaper.
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:53 PM
mckara (1,433 posts)
22. Nowadays, It Sounds Like an Oxymoron!
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But I agree, 100%!!!!
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