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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:19 AM

KOCH Says NO To Sandy Relief: -Victims Need To "suck it up and be responsible"

Billionaire David Koch’s prime political organization, Americans for Prosperity (AFP), having failed in its$125 million quest to oust President Barack Obama, is now aiming at a slightly less sophisticated political target: victims of Hurricane Sandy.

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Earlier this week, AFP, which is chaired by Koch and believed to be financed by several other plutocrats from the New York City region, released a letter warning members of Congress not to vote for the proposed federal aid package for victims of the storm that swept New Jersey, New York City and much of the surrounding area in October. An announcement on the group’s website says that the vote next week for the Sandy aid package will be a “key vote”—meaning senators who support sending money for reconstruction could face an avalanche of attack ads in their next election. Already, opposition to the bill is growing, although it passed one procedural hurdle last night.

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Koch’s top deputy in New Jersey, a surly gentleman named Steve Lonegan, who heads the local AFP state chapter, called the aid package a “disgrace.” “This is not a federal government responsibility,” Lonegan told reporters. “We need to suck it up and be responsible for taking care of ourselves.”

MORE:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/171906/david-koch-now-taking-aim-hurricane-sandy-victims#
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/24/1173589/-David-Koch-fights-Sandy-nbsp-relief

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Reply KOCH Says NO To Sandy Relief: -Victims Need To "suck it up and be responsible" (Original post)
kpete Dec 2012 OP
yourout Dec 2012 #1
Chakab Dec 2012 #42
Kablooie Dec 2012 #47
Chakab Dec 2012 #62
roguevalley Dec 2012 #71
still_one Dec 2012 #2
connecticut yankee Dec 2012 #4
LoisB Dec 2012 #33
dgibby Dec 2012 #49
Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #10
blue_heron Dec 2012 #19
Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #20
still_one Dec 2012 #21
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #22
freshwest Dec 2012 #39
xxqqqzme Dec 2012 #40
Raksha Dec 2012 #65
Milliesmom Dec 2012 #38
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #41
Raksha Dec 2012 #61
Milliesmom Dec 2012 #64
Raksha Dec 2012 #67
alarimer Dec 2012 #3
GETTINGTIRED Dec 2012 #18
hfojvt Dec 2012 #5
byeya Dec 2012 #6
jwirr Dec 2012 #7
maxrandb Dec 2012 #15
gulliver Dec 2012 #8
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #48
Brigid Dec 2012 #9
treestar Dec 2012 #11
WCGreen Dec 2012 #12
GoCubsGo Dec 2012 #13
jehop61 Dec 2012 #14
maxrandb Dec 2012 #16
SheilaT Dec 2012 #17
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #23
nykym Dec 2012 #24
kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #26
Lifelong Protester Dec 2012 #25
samsingh Dec 2012 #27
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #28
Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #29
JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #30
barbtries Dec 2012 #31
pacalo Dec 2012 #32
xtraxritical Dec 2012 #34
mrmpa Dec 2012 #35
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #36
progressoid Dec 2012 #37
freshwest Dec 2012 #43
meow2u3 Dec 2012 #68
freshwest Dec 2012 #70
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #44
2naSalit Dec 2012 #45
duffyduff Dec 2012 #53
2naSalit Dec 2012 #66
triplepoint Dec 2012 #46
BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #50
The CCC Dec 2012 #51
DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #52
Cha Dec 2012 #58
DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #59
Cha Dec 2012 #69
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #54
Faygo Kid Dec 2012 #55
Jack Rabbit Dec 2012 #56
Cha Dec 2012 #57
Vincardog Dec 2012 #60
gtar100 Dec 2012 #63
ck4829 Dec 2012 #72

Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:23 AM

1. While I don't wish death upon anyone the world will be a better place when the Kochs depart from it.

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Response to yourout (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:49 PM

42. If they keep this shit up,

it's only a matter of time before somebody comes after them.

(I don't condone violence. I'm just stating the obvious.)

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Response to Chakab (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:59 PM

47. They don't worry. They've got their guns and armed protection.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #47)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:43 PM

62. I'm sure that they have plenty of high-priced mercenary

ex-military types working security for them, but it won't somebody from trying. They're screwing with way too many people at this point.

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Response to yourout (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:12 PM

71. I agree, yourout. I wish they could have a catastrophe and get it. No death, just misery.

like 30-life in prison

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:25 AM

2. people should boycott any product koch makes

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Response to still_one (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:27 AM

4. I have been, but

I'm only one little person.

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Response to connecticut yankee (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:27 PM

33. Make that two.

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Response to connecticut yankee (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:01 PM

49. 3. n/t

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Response to still_one (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:42 AM

10. How would one find out which products they market?

Is there a list somewhere?

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:01 PM

19. here's a list I found...

I have started but now I'm going all out...I choose not to put any of my money in their pockets voluntarily

just like Papa Johns and Olive Garden have taken a hit, it's time for the full force of consumers to make their displeasure known with their bullying tactics

I've heard there is an 'app' you can put on your phone but haven't found it.

http://inspirationgreen.com/koch-brothers-products.html

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Response to blue_heron (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:12 PM

20. Thanks. I've bookmarked for future reference.

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Response to blue_heron (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:15 PM

21. Thanks

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Response to blue_heron (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:24 PM

22. Looks like the fuckers own half the world

Besides not buying what products I can avoid
I think I would be waiting to find out where they live...out of curiosity.

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Response to blue_heron (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:46 PM

39. Thanks very much.

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Response to blue_heron (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:48 PM

40. That list is very

diversified. Not a big surprise. Not at all unlike the Andrew Carnegies or John Rockefellers at the turn of the last century. No, two people should control that much of the country's natural resources, industry, and collective wealth (if you begin factoring in jobs, real estate, etc.)

We need a trust buster.

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:14 PM

65. Every product on that list is a business opportunity for someone,

and a step towards re-localizing and reinvesting in America. Of course a new start-up company couldn't hope to compete with Koch when it comes to economies of scale. But at this point, simply the fact that they are the "un-Koch" would be a major selling point for any would-be competitors.

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Response to still_one (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:41 PM

38. Lots of products

Boycott Koch Brothers products
Considering the Koch Brothers are the biggest threat to our nation since WW 2 it might be helpful to know how to keep money out of their evil hands


Koch Industry Gasoline:

Chevron
Union
Union 76
Conoco

Koch Industry/Georgia-Pacific Products:

Angel Soft toilet paper
Brawny paper towels
Dixie plates, bowls, napkins and cups
Mardi Gras napkins and towels
Quilted Northern toilet paper
Soft 'n Gentle toilet paper
Sparkle napkins
Vanity fair napkins
Zee napkins

Koch Industry/Invista Products:

COMFOREL® fiberfill
COOLMAX® fabric
CORDURA® fabric
DACRON® fiber
POLYSHIELD® resin
SOLARMAX® fabric
SOMERELLE® bedding products
STAINMASTER® carpet
SUPPLEX® fabric
TACTEL® fiber
TACTESSE® carpet fiber
TERATE® polyols
TERATHANE® polyether glycol
THERMOLITE® fabric
PHENREZ® resin
POLARGUARD® fiber and
LYCRA® fiber

Georgia Pacific Building products

Dense Armor Drywall and Decking
ToughArmor Gypsum board
Georgia pacific Plytanium Plywood
Flexrock
Densglass sheathing
G/P Industrial plasters (some products used by a lot of crafters)-
Agricultural Plaster
Arts & Crafts Plaster
Dental Plaster
General Purpose Plaster
Glass-reinforced Gypsum (GRG)
Industrial Tooling Plaster
Investment Casting Plaster
Medical Plaster
Metal Casting Plaster
Pottery Plaster

FibreStrong Rim board
G/P Lam board
Blue Ribbon OSB Rated Sheathing
Blue Ribbon Sub-floor
DryGuard Enhanced OSB
Nautilus Wall Sheathing
Thermostat OSB Radiant Barrier Sheathing
Broadspan Engineered Wood Products
XJ 85 I-Joists
FireDefender Banded Cores
FireDefender FS
FireDefender Mineral Core
Hardboard and Thin MDF including Auto Hardboard,
Perforated Hardboard and Thin MDF
Wood Fiberboard -
Commercial Roof Fiberboard
Hushboard Sound Deadening Board
Regular Fiberboard Sheathing
Structural Fiberboard Sheathing

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Response to Milliesmom (Reply #38)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:48 PM

41. Geez, they've got their blood-stained hands in a lot of industries! nt

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Response to Milliesmom (Reply #38)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:39 PM

61. I'm focused on that list of Georgia-Pacific building products.

Are there any alternative suppliers for these products? I assume the Georgia-Pacific/Koch Brothers brands are the most widely available at Home Depot and other big box-type stores.

Whenever we think about boycotts, we tend to think in terms of household products--at least I do. But building materials probably represent an even bigger market share for these greedy bastards. What I'm wondering though is COULD a contractor boycott Koch Bros drywall even if he wanted to? What source could he use instead, and where could he find it?

There is going to be a whole lot of drywall needed for Hurricane Sandy rebuilding projects. A whole lot of plywood, and pretty much everything else on that list. It would be true justice if not one square inch of it were made by Koch Bros. But is that even possible?

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Response to Raksha (Reply #61)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:11 PM

64. Someone should let them know

I doubt any of the owners or contractors even think about it, or even know the Koch brothers are demanding to have no help sent to them. I am sure there are other US manufacturers , just not China as their drywall is very bad.

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Response to Milliesmom (Reply #64)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:23 PM

67. I'm definitely going to send that list to my SIL. He's a "green" contractor,

and yet he probably has a ton of Koch products in his garage and uses them at every job site, either because he doesn't think about it or because no alternatives are available. At this point he may not have a choice, but then that's the definition of "monopoly."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:26 AM

3. Right-wingers are incredibly selfish people

They are hateful and disgusting. I mean, this was a hurricane, that made landfall in an area that doesn't usually get them. In any case, no one is ever 100% prepared for anything.

Fucking rich out of touch assholes.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:58 AM

18. I think they are very much in touch

And just simply don't give a fuck making them complete assholes..

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:28 AM

5. AFP - Americans For the Prosperous

YOYOs for the rest of us.

You are
On
Your
Own

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:31 AM

6. The Kochs: The best reason for a tax on wealth and a no exemption estate tax of 90% on estates

 

worth more than $10 million.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:32 AM

7. So they are responsible for that storm?

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Response to jwirr (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:53 AM

15. Born on 3RD base and told they hit a triple

I'm not sure what you meant by your post, but No, they aren't responsible for the storm.

They are, however, responsible for their "fuck-nuttery", and for the statement they released regarding the aid for those recovering from the worst northeast storm in any of our lifetimes.

I'm quite sure that had an earthquake or other natural disaster hit the off-shore bank where they keep their money, and scattered it to the ends of the earth, they'd be the first in line demanding the "gubmint" help them get it back.

Napoleon may have been an asshole, but he did get something right; "Religion is what keeps the poor from eating the rich"

They're not responsible for the storm, but their statement alone is enough for me to support a 90% tax on inheritance.

I guess they don't have a contract to supply paper products to the hotels on the Jersey shore, because if they did, they'd be the first in line to get their "gubmint" money.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:32 AM

8. I think we need to add a massive estate tax to the fiscal cliff deal

The Kochs are nothings who inherited everything they have.

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Response to gulliver (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:01 PM

48. I agree, and we've got an unexpected ally: Rick Warren was just on CNN saying dying rich is a sin.

However, I'm guessing Warren thinks you should give all your money to the church (his), not the gubmit.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:32 AM

9. Are there no prisons?

Are there no workhouses?

This is the second time in a row I've used that smilie to reply to an OP. The other was in reply to an OP about cops in TX arresting Santa for giving out chalk to kids.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:44 AM

11. that just proves that right wingers are assholes

People cannot be blamed for laziness and failure when it's a damn hurricane. Just shows they don't want to give a penny to anyone else ever.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:47 AM

12. Easy to say if you got a couple of billion to toss around...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:50 AM

13. I don't know who is the bigger POS...

Koch or the asshats in Congress who are going to obey him. A pox on them all. Time to find a way to make the whole lot of them as poor as the poor folk they are screwing over.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:52 AM

14. Someone should

pay to put a full page ad in every newspaper in the NY/NJ area so all voters see it. Diagusting people saying disgusting things.

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:55 AM

16. Governor Christie

the Koch's are "your people"!

What say you?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:56 AM

17. One can only hope that a major tornado will land

directly on their properties in Wichita, and only their properties. I don't wish for anyone to be killed, but I do wish they'd lose everything. And then be told, Suck it up.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:31 PM

23. Hurricane relief for red states in the South: GOOD.

Hurricane relief for blue states in the Northeast: BAD.

I get it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:33 PM

24. The resonable thing to do

would be to send a message to those same Senator's and tell them if they vote with Koch then they are out of a job!
We the people control the electorate.

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Response to nykym (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:39 PM

26. I like your idea. How about a general petition to all of Congress linking our votes to their

votes. If they vote for anything pro Koch or NRA we keep tabs and vote against them when they run again and we spread the word to low information family and friends?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:38 PM

25. The Kochs need to suck it up

and drop off the face of the Earth. Maybe we'll be lucky and they will both want to go on that ride to the moon....and not come back.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:39 PM

27. the koches are vicious and evil

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:42 PM

28. Can we have all your tax breaks back then?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:43 PM

29. Any pretense about "Compasionate Conservatism"

Is long gone. compassion is now a bad word in con circles.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:44 PM

30. I'm not surprised

Is it against TOS to wish the 'wish bone' gets stuck in some throats tomorrow? Because truthfully - I'm extremely cold and without one iota of human pity or empathy for these fools.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:48 PM

31. and all your tax money

is for the rich. poor people and victims, eat shit.
they are hateful.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:10 PM

32. Seems to me that the key intent is a slap in the face to Gov. Christie.

I hope this riles Christie enough to give this plenty of interesting media exposure.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:34 PM

34. “We need to suck it up and be responsible for taking care of our" Kochs.

 

Yeah, suck it up sucker.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:36 PM

35. Seasons Greetings from AFP-Fuck you & have a Merry Christmas............eom

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:40 PM

36. I hope they keep saying things such as this. "Never interfere while your enemy is hanging themself."

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:41 PM

37. And a Merry Christmas to you too.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:50 PM

43. Since the Koches own many essentials of life, they should be nationalized, IMHO.

It is no wonder that a family that controls so much of what makes things work, have also determined that they have the privilege of deciding our nation's social policy.

It is logical, and to them righteous, even if Americans don't acknowledge that. We have granted capitalism and property unbridled rights to stand above human rights and the environment for years. We 'built this.'

Until this is remedied, we will have no peace or human rights. They own almost everything and are unafraid to show their true faces now. Why should they ashamed, when they consider this country to their property?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:19 PM

68. There's an idea: eminent domain

Wanna know how to make billionaires' heads explode? Force the Kochroaches to sell their holdings to the Feds for a proverbial song. Then put the business to public use.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #68)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:27 PM

70. Our problem is, as always, our fellow citizens. We are divided by shrewd psychological techniques.

Not just media, but the way we live. Suburban or not, we are in a society that is vertically organized, not horizontally. Our livelihoods come not from neighbors or our community as we once did in rural life. We get our religion and philosophies from impersonal groups that are corrupted by the rich and powerful.

We are entertained, not by our local piano or guitar player but a commerical medium that requires repetition to make the money it does. It appears we are addicted to a lot of stuff that keeps our minds busy enough to not stand still and look at the big picture.

When I read statements like take their stuff, jail them, try them for war crimes, off wth their heads and national strike, those are solutions of th past. They came from much closer knit communities with long-standing roots in the local church, school, grange, or place of employment. We are like claymation figures being molded into what the rich want us to be and shifted around.

Families are separated by distance, unable to share living space or expenses as they once did, many of them in the search for jobs. Each job lost means a world that is lost, each move means prosperity lost for many. They are not able to help each other, instead have to pay commercial firms. We have been hollowed out not only manufacturing wise, but socially.

There are those who, like the young people at the DNC, the twins Julian and his brother were able to overcome dislocation and poverty due to the social safety net of school, food stamps, help going to college. We're working to restore that egalitarian sense of society but are being opposed to a different mindset many Democrats choose to ignore, but still exists. Am I saying it is hopeless?

No, but as author Henry Wadsworth Longfellow said, All things must change to something new, to something strange.

Many of us, as Kahlil Gibran said, What is this world that is hastening me toward I know not what, viewing me with contempt?

Or as Charles Sanders Pierce said, If man were immortal he could be perfectly sure of seeing the day when every thing in which he had trusted should betray his trust, and, in short, of coming eventually to hopeless misery. He would break down, at last, as every good fortune, as every dynasty, as every civilization does. In place of this we have death.

We are approaching a clash of unbelievable proportions if we don't accept the reality of where the power lies, forgiving each other as we move along to protect the things most valuable. Those are our goals and we work toward them with old and broken down as well yet uninvented tools.

Peace Out.


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:52 PM

44. So if everyone should be on their own, we can cut off those oil subsidies, right?

I mean, surely the Koch Bros. don't want their Chevron feeding irresponsibly at the public trough, right?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:53 PM

45. All three brothers (there are three of them)...

Are some hybridized version of the Grinch and Scrooge with some other demonic entity all wrapped up into the ugliest of humankind.

They may not be human...

Their dad invented the John Birch Society so they've been steeped in this dung all their lives.

Perhaps all their industries should be nationalized, just a thought.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #45)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:25 PM

53. There are four of them.

Frederick R. Koch (born 1933), collector and philanthropist
Charles G. Koch (born 1935), Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Koch Industries
David H. Koch (born 1940), Executive Vice President of Koch Industries
William Koch (born 1940), businessman, sailor, and collector

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #53)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:19 PM

66. Thanks!

hadn't heard of the fourth one.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:56 PM

46. The kochs So Remind me of the movie, "Trading Places"

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:14 PM

50. the fuckwads didnt have a problem with aid to Fla. after Andrew, aid to Louisianna after Katrina

Aid to any Red states for any reason.

Funny thing.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:22 PM

51. KOCH Says NO To Sandy Relief: -Victims Need To "suck it up and be responsible"

Let's have Congress reinstate the tax rates of the 1950's.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:24 PM

52. funny thign about Koches and New York

If so much capital was not tied up into Wall Street, they would have found it harder to make their money, so for them to leave the NYC area in ruins means that they are rejecting one of the main tools they used to get rich.

Then again, not many families have the honor of having helped out both Josef Stalin and Adolph Hitler rise to power.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #52)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:11 PM

58. I know.. it defies reason. Sounds like the asshole Kochs

are taking out revenge on them for supporting President Obama.

This needs to go VIRAL

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Response to Cha (Reply #58)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:17 PM

59. Not just that

But they want all the advanatges of being New Yorkers, without paying for them. They are existing as parasites on New York, using it as an imperial seat of power.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #59)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:11 PM

69. Exactly, DonCoquixote. There it is.

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This really does need to be VIRAL.

I thought of the "revenge" because of who they are. Vindictive goplutocrats who will punish anyone who opposes fascism.

I hope this comes back to bite them in their Climate Change Denial ass. People who aren't able to get their Devastation from Freak Storms, rebuilt.. will be even more inclined to remember evidence of Global Climate Change.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:26 PM

54. Sickening.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:40 PM

55. How about cutting subsidies to Koch industries?

You know they make a fortune off the government, aka my tax dollars.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:40 PM

56. Let's cut Dixie Cups and Brawny Paper Towels instead

If you're buying Koch products, you're wrong.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:08 PM

57. MF Asshole.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:33 PM

60. Just open a credit application for AFP and charge the repairs to them. Or send the

bills to the Kochroach brothers.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:52 PM

63. Ayn Rand would be proud.

Of course, it's easy to say when you've got more money than you could possibly spend.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 07:23 AM

72. Throw all your money and connections out the window then say this.

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