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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:28 AM

 

When you buy a hammer and saw or other tool you intend to use them.

And those that describe a gun as a tool have the same expectation.

Just as the home fixer upper guy will look for things that his new investment will allow him to repair, the new gun owner will also be looking for a return on his investment as well.

Therein lies a very serious problem in America today.

Do I need to spell it out more?

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Reply When you buy a hammer and saw or other tool you intend to use them. (Original post)
Whovian Dec 2012 OP
Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #1
BlueJazz Dec 2012 #2
slackmaster Dec 2012 #5
BlueJazz Dec 2012 #11
slackmaster Dec 2012 #3
Fla_Democrat Dec 2012 #17
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #4
Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #6
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #9
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #21
Glassunion Dec 2012 #22
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #25
OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #27
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #7
Whovian Dec 2012 #10
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #19
hack89 Dec 2012 #8
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #14
crazyjoe Dec 2012 #12
qkvhj Dec 2012 #28
unblock Dec 2012 #13
nationoflaws Dec 2012 #15
mainer Dec 2012 #16
Fla_Democrat Dec 2012 #18
squicked Dec 2012 #20
Recursion Dec 2012 #29
dkf Dec 2012 #23
Logical Dec 2012 #24
OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #26
Bake Dec 2012 #30
Riftaxe Dec 2012 #31
Whovian Dec 2012 #32

Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:34 AM

1. I would imagine most gun owners view it as a hobby

And as such, expect to loose money. I bought a nice double barreled shotgun last year for 800.00. Nobody today would pay me that much for it now, but I don't care, I try to go shoot some trap every few months and have fun. I know it cost money, but its something I enjoy.

I agree with you on tools though, I do buy tools to save money. My car needed new breaks this summer, and if it was cheaper to pay somebody to install them I would have, as that was more of a chore. Since I could save money by doing it myself, I took that route.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:36 AM

2. I can fully understand people having a hobby which could very well involve....

...collecting guns, such as used in the old west or muskets or even in WW1 or WW2 but collecting loads of modern
fire-power weapons ??

Just seems weird to me

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:43 AM

5. Every firearm was modern on the day it was made. Every well-made object becomes interesting...

 

...as it ages.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:50 AM

11. Well....you've got a point...

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:42 AM

3. Some people collect hammers or saws

 



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Response to slackmaster (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:56 AM

17. They have such scarry names.....



http://www.deadonstore.com/tools.htm

The Annihilator

Dead On Steel

Death Stick

Exhumer


Why oh why can't we get some hammer control? How many thumb nails have to be smashed before common sense takes over.

Really, does any one Need a Titanium framing hammer?


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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:42 AM

4. I have a shotgun. I use it to hunt grouse and pheasant.

I have a rifle. I bought it to hunt deer.

I have a couple of pistols. They are big & clunky with relatively long barrels, not the kind of gun you'd be able to easily conceal. The .22 I have used on certain troublesome rodents. The .357 I have used on tin cans and paper targets.

They are dangerous tools. They are all stashed away unloaded, and I have no fantasies of using them for home defense.

Now, if you're talking about something like an M-16-style .223 with a high-capacity clip, or a Glock or an Uzi or something, then I'd say the owner has them for possible use in what one might term "negative social interactions."

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:43 AM

6. Sounds about right. n/t

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:49 AM

9. Reading your last paragraph ... it then crosses the line into an obsessive-compulsive

fetish IMO, for example, weapons hoarding.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:29 AM

21. I was thinking that it was more related to paranoia, but

in thinking over your notion, I see some interesting connections. OCD is theoretically a way of binding anxiety in certain obsessive thought patterns or compulsive rituals. I think the gun nuts tend to be driven by anxiety and its close relative, chronic anger.

And anecdotally, the one right-wing gun nut I know well is OCD (diagnosable on grounds other than the guns).

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:21 AM

22. Quick question

The .357 is ok for tin cans and paper targets, but a Glock is not?

I'm going to be 100% honest here, and state that I do own a Glock and its sole purpose is the same as your .357. Personally, I find .357's and even .38's to be more of a hand cannon. The smaller round and grip shape were my deciding factors when I purchased it.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:36 PM

25. I bought the .357 many years ago, when I used to handload

& was more into guns. You can fire a wider range of handloads out of a revolver without worrying about it jamming.

I haven't even fired it in years, and as I was writing this, I realized that I actually have no particularly good reason to even have it any more.

I suppose if I were to rationalize the difference between the .357 and the Glock, it would have to do with the .357 being a revolver, limited to 6 rounds & slow to reload, as well as being slow to fire accurately--partly because of the recoil you mentioned.

BTW, you do know that a .357 will fire a .38 target round? It's a lot tamer with those little wadcutters.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:17 PM

27. Only slow to reload if you're unpracticed.

 

Some people can reload damn fast. GO to an IDPA or IPSC shooting competition with a couple revolver shooters present - you'll be impressed. I know I was.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:47 AM

7. Just because you expect to use something doesn't mean you want to.

Self-defense firearms are like fire extinguishers or airbags in that regard.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:50 AM

10. Airbags are standard, fire extinguishers cost 20 bucks.

 

and guns can cost 200 to infinity. You make an investment, you want to see it pay off. It's human nature in America.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:18 AM

19. That in no way refutes my point.

And even if that argument did have any merit, fire extinguisher systems can cost well into five figures.

Sorry, that was simply a silly point on your part.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:49 AM

8. My "tool" is used for target shooting

so you are right that I bought my guns with an expectation of using them.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:54 AM

14. Just think of it as a long-distance paper punch.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:52 AM

12. Really? I bought a fire extinguisher, should I set my house on fire so i can use it?

 

terrible analogy, try again.

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Response to crazyjoe (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:26 PM

28. and home alarm systems

 

I'm going to spend a bunch of money on a home alarm system and following your line of thought I'm going to have to hire a bad guy to try to invade my home every month so I can use it.
I'm going to buy a can of mace and then find someone to practice on.
I'm going to buy a can of pepper spray and use it on my next door neighbor to make sure It works.
I'm going to buy that new survival knife and have someone drop me off a hundred miles from civilization so I can test it out.
BS to all of it.
We buy these things, including self defense weapons, in case we need them and hope that we never have to use them.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:53 AM

13. yep, can't wait! sooner or later, that fire extinguisher's gettin' used, baby!

not a gun fan at all, and you have a valid point; but as stated this argument needs a bit of narrowing....

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:55 AM

15. Fire Extinguisher...

 

A better analogy for weapons other than hunting ones is a fire extinguisher:
- You may have one in every vehicle
- You may have one in several rooms in the house
- You should test them regularly to make sure they are functioning properly
- You should know how to use one
- It can save your life
- You never want to have to use it, because it means you are in a very bad situation

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:56 AM

16. When your tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail

And when your tool is a gun, everything looks like...

Maybe there's an apt analogy here?

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:01 AM

18. I bought a car jack

I expect at some time, I may need to use it. I don't walk around slashing my tires, or other people's tires so I can use my car jack. I don't drive around construction sites (other than the one I am working on), looking for nails in tires so I can break out the jack.

However, when I am out in the middle of BFE, at night, with a blow out, 35 miles from anything resembling help, I will be glad I made the investment in a tool, that is very specific, and just what is needed at the time.




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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:28 AM

20. Tools = work. I never buy them

guns = fun. ROI is the happiness factor of splattering a clay pigeon or knocking a can off a fence post at a 100yds.

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Response to squicked (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:28 PM

29. Personally, that's how I feel about guns

They remind me of weedwhackers, only you have to spend more time cleaning them.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:27 AM

23. Who wants to have to use tools...I certainly don't.

 

But you buy them just in case you might need them.

Its just like buying term life insurance, hurricane insurance or flood insurance. You sure hope you don't need to use any of those either.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:30 AM

24. LOL, here we go. I buy a fire extinguisher but dont expect to use it. A smoke Alarm but don't.....

expect to use it. I buy health insurance and don't expect to use it. Now, see how failed your post was?

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:11 PM

26. I do use all my guns.

 

I bought most of them as tools of recreation. The two or three bought for defense haven't been needed.

I think your problem is that assuming a gun's ONLY purpose is to kill. There are legitimate uses outside of filling other people with lead. Some people shoot skeet/trap clays, some people enjoy the challenge of long range benchrest shooting, some people use them in competition, some people use them to put food on the table, etc...

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:34 PM

30. You're wrong. I have a cabinet full of tools that I bought for a specific task

And have used once. Or in some cases, never.

I'm not looking for anyone to shoot.

For some tools, it's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Bake

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:10 AM

31. Now you tell me! I just bought

a new first aid kit for my car.

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:14 AM

32. Not a "tool."

 

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