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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:07 AM

I suspect Lanza was bullied.


Why else open up on an elementary class? Why isn't anyone discussing this. We are a bully country with bully policies and it's only gotten worse since 2000, when bully culture took over our politics and governance.

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Reply I suspect Lanza was bullied. (Original post)
elehhhhna Dec 2012 OP
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #1
Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #2
Tutonic Dec 2012 #3
IDoMath Dec 2012 #9
99Forever Dec 2012 #13
HappyMe Dec 2012 #4
Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #5
Whovian Dec 2012 #6
elehhhhna Dec 2012 #10
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #7
ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #8
hexola Dec 2012 #15
ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #16
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #21
TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #14
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #22
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #11
hexola Dec 2012 #12
LeftinOH Dec 2012 #17
hfojvt Dec 2012 #18
GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #19
devilgrrl Dec 2012 #20
L0oniX Dec 2012 #23

Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:09 AM

1. Sadly, we'll probably never get a motive unless Adam left behind a manifesto.

Everything else will just be speculation.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:16 AM

2. We don't know enough to discuss it in depth.

That said... if he was a slight kid with Asperger's ( or something close to it), it is hard to imagine that he WASN'T bullied. And isolated. More than his share.

Still.... too many unknown variables out there. Most kids who are bullied ( i.e. most kids) don't commit mass murder. Or any kind of murder at all.

It seems likely that when all the info is in , the incident's etiology will be determined to have been... in medical terms... "multi-factorial".

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:20 AM

3. OK, I'll discuss. Individuals that are bullied overwhelmingly DO NOT

retaliated--particularly those with a mental or psychological condition. We need to have a serious conversation in this nation about mental health and a separate discussion about bullying. But keep in mind that there is no defined relationship between bullying and mass murders when one has a mental condition. Think about the individuals that you know or have seen that have a mental condition--they tend to withdraw or stay away from others, rather than exhibit aggressive behavior.

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Response to Tutonic (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:38 AM

9. ...and...

 

Even those who do dream of or seek retaliation, how is it vengeance to go after the innocent? Teachers? Maybe? Fellow students? Maybe. But the youngest? The one group who could not have contributed?

No. These don't fit together.

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Response to Tutonic (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:02 AM

13. So, you don't think bullies are displaying ..

... a mental illness? Really?

Ever hear of antisocial disorder? Of borderline personality disorder?

Seriously?


Wow.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:25 AM

4. I don't think all this

speculation and armchair psychology is doing any good.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:28 AM

5. You could very well be right, but guess what.

As I recall most kids experience some bullying during their school years. Sad, but true. What's notable is that most of them grow up and don't commit mass murder.

As reprehensible as bullying is, it's can't be blamed for every act of violence.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:30 AM

6. I was about to slam you on the OP title

 

Until I read the text. You made me think.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:39 AM

10. Thanks, Whov

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:32 AM

7. I remembered reading his mother started homeschooling him in the 10th grade

Nothing on why that happened. Could be a number of reasons

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:33 AM

8. and that bears on this how exactly?

or do you just hate homeschooling and are trying to link it to the massacre?

sP

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:07 AM

15. Lighten up...I doubt thats his point...

Sometimes special-ed kids end up being homeschooled...I dont think that's debatable.

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Response to hexola (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:14 AM

16. we shall see... nt

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:55 PM

21. I have nothing against homeschooling (i homeschooled one of my children) .

Or linking the homeschooling to the massacre.Homeschooling doesn't lead to mass murders.I was wondering why the media mentioned it and surprised they didn't link it since they're blaming everything as to why he did what he did.

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:05 AM

14. She wasn't happy about how the school was dealing with him

Apparently the plan for looking out for him was not up to what she believed was necessary. Could be bullying, could be a whole lot of things. It's obvious he needed special attention with his mental issues, and apparently she didn't think the school was doing enough to address his needs.

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Response to TorchTheWitch (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:56 PM

22. That's what I was thinking.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:42 AM

11. And the armchair psychology continues

Wouldn't be the same DU without it.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:50 AM

12. I have yet to read anything that paints a clear picture of Lanza's mental state/abilities.

So - it is very hard to speculate in this regard.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:23 AM

17. Maybe, just maybe. But in Kindergarten and 1st grade?

The children he targeted are generally not of "bullying age" yet. I was bullied (plenty), but I cannot recall any bullying incidents from early Elementary school.

He probably went to that particular school because he attended it himself a few years prior - and he knew his way around.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:41 AM

18. almost everybody is bullied at some point by somebody

even the bullies.

But it would make more sense for a person who is bullied to kill their tormentors, not to kill some little kids that they could probably bully themself.

No, I think he was thrown away.

He had no lover - he was unloved
He had no friends - the world doesn't even LIKE you, much less love you
He had no job - the world has no use for you
He had no purpose - At age twenty, another 50 or 60 years of life was ahead of him, and he saw no point, had no desire to live those years.

I used to feel that way myself when I was younger, but I can't really imagine thinking that way now. Which is kinda funny, because my love life, my social life and my work life all still suck, but I guess now I am used to it and have no expectations of anything better. Kay sera sera.

The things that have changed are - I now have a dog or two. Meaning that I have "someone who needs me" (Stevie Wonder song). I also have hobbies to keep me pleasantly occupied - genealogy and politics. I have so much to do that I could use another lifetime to get it all done.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:57 AM

19. Yeah ... Why else

first graders? I suspect you're stirring shit!

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:59 PM

23. Plenty of bullies right here on DU.

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