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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:51 AM

Star Member Earth_First (11,583 posts)

Firefighters shot at scene of Webster (NY) fire; 2 injured, 2 deceased...

Last edited Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:35 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Webster, N.Y. -- 13WHAM News has learned that at least one firefighter has been shot at the scene of a fire on Lake Road in Webster.

The fire is at 191 Lake Road near Bay Road. A source tells 13WHAM News that an unknown gunman opened fire on fire crews on the scene.

The wounded firefighter was taken to Strong Memorial Hospital by Mercy Flight. Strong Hospital confirms two firefighters are being treated there.

The fire has now spread to a second house.

13WHAM has several crews at the scene and elsewhere and will provide updates as they're available.

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/People-Shot-at-Scene-of-Webster-Fire/Aov0V53ztUC4bKegOnofrg.cspx

Two firefighters shot and killed after incident in West Webster

News10NBC has learned that four firefighters have been shot, two of them were killed, while responding to a fire on Lake Road near the Outlet Bridge.

The other two firefighters are at Strong Hospital in guarded condition.

Emergency crews were originally called to the area for the report of a structure fire on Lake Road at 6:00am. As the firefighters arrived to the fire, there was gunfire.

Right now, three homes and a vehicle are burning. Firefighters are now attacking the fire. The homes are both occupied and unoccupied homes.

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2876697.shtml?cat=566

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Reply Firefighters shot at scene of Webster (NY) fire; 2 injured, 2 deceased... (Original post)
 Earth_First Dec 2012 OP
LineReply WTF
 etherealtruth Dec 2012 #1
LineReply So are we going to start arming firefighters...?
 Earth_First Dec 2012 #2
LineLineReply Shooting at firemen is nothing new:
 Remmah2 Dec 2012 #4
LineLineLineReply While both do
 H2O Man Dec 2012 #16
LineLineLineReply Oooohhh. Well in that case, lets continue to do nothing about it.
 AllyCat Dec 2012 #18
LineReply WAKE UP AMERICA!
 Whovian Dec 2012 #3
LineLineReply It's a sad statement of where our society has gone.
 Remmah2 Dec 2012 #5
LineReply Photographs + Livestream link:
 Earth_First Dec 2012 #6
LineReply What's the excuse this time?
 TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #7
LineReply My son lives about a half mile from there.
 Not Me Dec 2012 #8
LineLineReply Yes, a quite wealthy demographic in this area...
 Earth_First Dec 2012 #9
LineReply "Cooked off" ammunition?
 Barack_America Dec 2012 #10
LineLineReply No.
 Robb Dec 2012 #23
LineReply They just reported that 4 firefighters were shot and 2 are dead!
 Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #11
LineLineReply So sad...
 Earth_First Dec 2012 #12
LineLineLineReply First responders... murdered by gunfire... on fucking Christmas Eve...
 Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #13
LineReply D&C says 3 houses ablaze now...
 Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #14
LineReply Sounds like the fire was the deliberate lure.
 WinkyDink Dec 2012 #15
LineReply I understand that this vol. department is the same firehouse that responded to a tragic arson
 Earth_First Dec 2012 #17
LineLineReply You mean they aren't union thugs? They are unpaid volunteers?
 AllyCat Dec 2012 #19
LineReply A few dead kids, a few dead firefighters...
 Robb Dec 2012 #20
LineReply Is it confirmed that some asshole shot them?
 TheMightyFavog Dec 2012 #21
LineLineReply See 23, above.
 Robb Dec 2012 #24
LineLineReply Ammunition cooking off is not particularly dangerous.
 tradecenter Dec 2012 #25
LineReply Local media 10 NBC reporting a gunman has been 'located'
 Earth_First Dec 2012 #22
LineReply Cue the gun apologists in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1. Merry Fucking
 coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #26
LineReply You know, I really think this thread needs to be kept at the top of GD all fucking
 coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #27
LineNew Reply The same thing could have happened with baseball bats
 boomer55 Dec 2012 #28
LineLineNew Reply BULLSHIT go away
 we can do it Dec 2012 #30
LineLineLineNew Reply Uh. Dude don't you pay attention? It was snark at
 boomer55 Dec 2012 #35
LineNew Reply The Lieutenant shot and killed this morning was a 20-year veteran of the Webster Police/Fire
 Earth_First Dec 2012 #29
LineLineNew Reply CBS tweet: shooter "eliminated"
 ananda Dec 2012 #31
LineNew Reply "Monroe County Sheriff's Deputies say that the shooter was found dead near the scene"
 pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #32
LineLineNew Reply I have one question.
 ananda Dec 2012 #34
LineLineLineNew Reply Because they qualify for "middle class" tax cuts on incomes under a million?
 Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #36
LineNew Reply Oh no.
 Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #33
LineNew Reply i just moved to Irondequoit, right near Webster
 BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #37

Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:53 AM

Star Member etherealtruth (8,353 posts)

1. WTF

A world gone mad

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:55 AM

Star Member Earth_First (11,583 posts)

2. So are we going to start arming firefighters...?

:crickets:

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:01 AM

Remmah2 (3,291 posts)

4. Shooting at firemen is nothing new:

 

http://everything2.com/title/1968+Chicago+Race+Riot


When Martin Luther King was shot, it was immediately recognized as the spark that would set off another round of violence in 1968. In the wake of the assassination there were 2,600 fires and 21,270 injuries nationwide. By noon on the day after the shooting groups of young black people had gathered throughout the city. The violence began with smashed store windows and looting; arson and sniper attacks soon followed. By 2:00 p.m. the governor had dispatched over 600 members of the Illinois National Guard and Mayor Daley had sent out the entire Chicago fire department and borrowed fire departments from eight suburbs. Fires raged throughout the city, completely engulfing many black neighborhoods. Power lines to the predominantly black West Side were now dead, leaving that part of the city in darkness, and giving cover and encouragement for more looting.

As the violence entered its second day, Mayor Daley began to try and take back the city. 1,500 more National Guardsmen were put on the streets. A 7:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. curfew was imposed on people less than 21 years of age. Liquor sales were banned in areas with "serious disorder." Troops patrolled the city in jeeps and military deployments guarded every intersection on the West Side. That night was much quieter, but far from tranquil. Molotov cocktails were still being thrown, buildings were still being torched, and snipers were still shooting at firemen.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:08 AM

H2O Man (48,564 posts)

16. While both do

involve "shooting at firemen," one would be required to identify the contrast in contexts, in order to be able to pass even an introductory sociology course.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:38 AM

Star Member AllyCat (7,514 posts)

18. Oooohhh. Well in that case, lets continue to do nothing about it.

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Response to Earth_First (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:57 AM

Whovian (2,866 posts)

3. WAKE UP AMERICA!

 

Guns are not a great thing to have in our particular society.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:03 AM

Remmah2 (3,291 posts)

5. It's a sad statement of where our society has gone.

 

Violence is a symptom, not the disease.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:15 AM

Star Member Earth_First (11,583 posts)

6. Photographs + Livestream link:

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http://www.whec.com/article/stories/s2781847.shtml?cat=123188.shtml?cat=12318

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:16 AM

TheCowsCameHome (27,684 posts)

7. What's the excuse this time?

There's always a lame reason for why the shooter did what they did.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:17 AM

Star Member Not Me (3,278 posts)

8. My son lives about a half mile from there.

These are very large, expensive lakefront properties on Lake Ontario. Motive?

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Response to Not Me (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:19 AM

Star Member Earth_First (11,583 posts)

9. Yes, a quite wealthy demographic in this area...

"Where Life is Worth Living" is it's 'catchphrase'

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:20 AM

Star Member Barack_America (24,436 posts)

10. "Cooked off" ammunition?

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:06 AM

Star Member Robb (38,322 posts)

23. No.

Bullets weight more than casings, so it's the casings that launch off ... And not particularly fast.

The big thing about a barrel is that it focuses the energy to the projectile.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:50 AM

Star Member Cooley Hurd (20,632 posts)

11. They just reported that 4 firefighters were shot and 2 are dead!

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:52 AM

Star Member Earth_First (11,583 posts)

12. So sad...

On Christmas Eve...

My heart weeps for these families.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:55 AM

Star Member Cooley Hurd (20,632 posts)

13. First responders... murdered by gunfire... on fucking Christmas Eve...

This, 10 days after Newtown.

This shit has GOT to STOP!!!!!!!!!

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:06 AM

Star Member Cooley Hurd (20,632 posts)

14. D&C says 3 houses ablaze now...

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20121224/NEWS01/312240026/webster-shooting?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|Home

At least two Webster firefighters are dead, and three houses on Lake Road continue to burn after a gunman open fired on firefighters who responded to an early morning fire.

There are no active shooters at the scene, according to a news conference held by Sheriff Patrick O’Flynn.

The fire broke out at 5:45 a.m. at 191 Lake Road on the Irondequoit Bay side of the street.

The gunman open fired on the first firefighters to respond, striking one in the backside. Strong Memorial Hospital confirmed another firefighter was being treated, but it is not clear if he was shot or injured in the fire.

Webster Fire Marshal Rob Boutillier said it is not clear how many other firefighters were hit.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:07 AM

Star Member WinkyDink (37,026 posts)

15. Sounds like the fire was the deliberate lure.

Last edited Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:07 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:20 AM

Star Member Earth_First (11,583 posts)

17. I understand that this vol. department is the same firehouse that responded to a tragic arson

last year where a young man set his home ablaze with his family inside, a lot of the young members struggled with this event.

Now this...

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:40 AM

Star Member AllyCat (7,514 posts)

19. You mean they aren't union thugs? They are unpaid volunteers?

How dreadful for all involved. I hope they find peace in time.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:41 AM

Star Member Robb (38,322 posts)

20. A few dead kids, a few dead firefighters...

All the price we pay to salve the spirits and egos of the paranoid. Oh, and personal freedoms! And statistically no one gets killed by MY gun! Rounding error!!1!

So sick of this.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:57 AM

Star Member TheMightyFavog (13,233 posts)

21. Is it confirmed that some asshole shot them?

Or is this the work of some irresponsible dick not keeping their ammunition secured in a fireproof safe?

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:07 AM

Star Member Robb (38,322 posts)

24. See 23, above.

Ammo -- rifle and handgun -- in a fire isn't particularly deadly. Thank goodness.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:08 AM

tradecenter (133 posts)

25. Ammunition cooking off is not particularly dangerous.

 

I've was struck by a .45 round at a fire and my turnout coat was enough to stop it without any harm to me.
Now large amouts of gun powder cooking off is extremely dangerous.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:59 AM

Star Member Earth_First (11,583 posts)

22. Local media 10 NBC reporting a gunman has been 'located'

No word on whether or not the suspect has been apprehended; or otherwise...

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:15 AM

coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)

26. Cue the gun apologists in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1. Merry Fucking

 

Christmas, you assholes.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:19 AM

coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)

27. You know, I really think this thread needs to be kept at the top of GD all fucking

 

day today and tomorrow. No one in this country (other than kids) should get to celebrate a happy Christmas this year.

So this is my kick.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:26 AM

Star Member boomer55 (50 posts)

28. The same thing could have happened with baseball bats

Is it time for armed guards on all fire trucks?

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:11 PM

Star Member we can do it (4,657 posts)

30. BULLSHIT go away

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:03 PM

Star Member Earth_First (11,583 posts)

29. The Lieutenant shot and killed this morning was a 20-year veteran of the Webster Police/Fire

Started as an Explorer with the West Webster FD and worked his way up through law enforcement and the 911 center.

An American hero.

Gunned down performing a volunteer public service.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:17 PM

Star Member pinboy3niner (27,473 posts)

32. "Monroe County Sheriff's Deputies say that the shooter was found dead near the scene"

One of the firefighters that was killed was Lt. Mike Chiapperini, a Webster Police Department lieutenant, who was off-duty and was responding as a volunteer firefighter One of the firefighters injured was an off-duty Greece Police Officer, John Ritter.

33 residents in the area were evacuated from their homes.

Four homes were engulfed in flames and destroyed. Four other homes were damaged.

Monroe County Sheriff's Deputies say that the shooter was found dead near the scene. They did recover a weapon. They believe the shooter acted alone.

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2876697.shtml?cat=565



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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:54 PM

Star Member ananda (12,495 posts)

34. I have one question.

Why is such an affluent area called "middle class"?

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:46 PM

Comrade Grumpy (3,346 posts)

36. Because they qualify for "middle class" tax cuts on incomes under a million?

Shifting nomenclature...at least we also got rid of all the poor people. Or I haven't heard any politicians talk about poor people, anyway, except for Romney saying they had the safety net.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:28 PM

Fire Walk With Me (37,004 posts)

33. Oh no.

This is the first I'd heard of it, just getting online. Thank you

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Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:22 AM

Star Member BlancheSplanchnik (7,705 posts)

37. i just moved to Irondequoit, right near Webster

Surprised the sirens and copters didn't wake me.

So sad. So so tragic and wrong.

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