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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:42 PM

Steps for when you're confronted with a workplace shooter



This was a video the City of Houston released to teach people to respond to an "active shooter" in the workplace. It was produced with federal grants and was released in August.

Notice how quickly the gunman takes out the (armed) security guard. First one he goes for.

Notice that fighting back was considered the action of last resort. First and second resorts were to run (get outside) or hide. Fighting should only be considered a last resort.

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Reply Steps for when you're confronted with a workplace shooter (Original post)
Tab Dec 2012 OP
DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #1
intheflow Dec 2012 #37
NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #2
thucythucy Dec 2012 #4
NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #8
thucythucy Dec 2012 #10
protwodem Dec 2012 #16
Tab Dec 2012 #17
NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #20
thucythucy Dec 2012 #23
ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2012 #25
protwodem Dec 2012 #28
Tab Dec 2012 #31
Major Nikon Dec 2012 #32
pasto76 Dec 2012 #19
protwodem Dec 2012 #26
Brigid Dec 2012 #11
MadrasT Dec 2012 #14
A Simple Game Dec 2012 #21
NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #22
A Simple Game Dec 2012 #24
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #38
Loudly Dec 2012 #3
bobclark86 Dec 2012 #33
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #5
wake.up.america Dec 2012 #6
MichiganVote Dec 2012 #7
Flatpicker Dec 2012 #9
protwodem Dec 2012 #12
bobclark86 Dec 2012 #34
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #13
bobclark86 Dec 2012 #35
Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #15
bobclark86 Dec 2012 #36
Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #18
CrispyQ Dec 2012 #27
exboyfil Dec 2012 #29
rocktivity Dec 2012 #30

Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:51 PM

1. This should be shown in every workplace.

That was pretty stout.

KnR

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:23 PM

37. My employer sent it out to everyone after the Aurora shooting.

I work at a public library, about 16 miles away from that theater. It could easily happen in my workplace.

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:54 PM

2. It's the new duck and cover! Bullshit propaganda?

Yes!

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:59 PM

4. Yeah, because unlike nuclear war

we know workplace shootings never happen.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:18 PM

8. You know what happens in the workplace? Pension raids!

Feel free to continue to be distracted by what won't happen!!!!!!!!!

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:25 PM

10. Are you actually trying to convince me that workplace shootings never happen?

Honestly?

Check out "Flatpicker's" post. Tell him how it'll never happen.

Incredible, just incredible.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:43 PM

16. Turnabout is fair play?

 

DU seems to think that "nobody" needs a gun for self defense, or an armed good guy could "never" stop an armed good guy, and so on.

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Response to protwodem (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:48 PM

17. "DU seems to think"?

Welcome to DU - enjoy it while you can!

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Response to Tab (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:58 PM

20. What do you think is more likely to happen, Tab? Corporations take your shit or....

you lose your social security benefits?

Or your workplace is the target of one of these mass shootings.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:16 PM

23. I'd prefer that none of these things happen.

And I'll take on each of these issues, one at a time.

I think minimizing or mocking the possibility of a workplace shooting is a pretty callous thing to do, all things considered. But maybe that's just me.

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Response to Tab (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:21 PM

25. There are many Democrats who are in favor of gun rights...

...so your implication that being pro-gun on the DU gets you banned is, to be charitable, false.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to protwodem (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:08 PM

31. Last I looked

if you were banned under another username, you weren't allowed back in.

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Response to Tab (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:21 PM

32. He had leftover pizza for dinner evidently

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Response to protwodem (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:58 PM

19. a "good guy" or a trained officer or soldier. There is a HUGE difference

Bob down the hall might 'go to the range' every week.

I have been trained, and have Iraq experience in, what we called 'turn and burn'.

Turn towards the enemy. Advance while firing to own the real estate between you and the bad guy.

In all sincerity, I've taken an oath, twice, to protect the citizens of this country. Its the only oath Im under, even declining to "swear in" with my ironworkers local. There is no difference to me in dying in some fucking armpit of the world for some elusive political reason, or dying trying to stop a maniac so that somebody else can escape. Crazy that Ive had this conversation with my wife? nope. She was a soldier too.

So yeah, there's a reason not much stock is put into this 'an armed good guy can stop a bad guy' thing. You will stop and think about what you have to lose. Ive already thought about that. Ive already put it all on the line for 16 months straight over there.

And Ive proven already that I dont think in these situations, I react. As Ive been trained to do.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:27 PM

26. I wouldn't be so sure about that

 

There are countless examples out there of "untrained" firearm owners who were very successful in stopping the bad guy with their gun, often without having to fire any shots. The problem is rarely do these incidents make the news, much less national headlines.

Perhaps you need training to be able to always run towards the bad guy without thinking about the consequences. But you definitely don't need training to be able to know to pull the trigger when the bad guy comes towards you because otherwise you'll die.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:25 PM

11. "Won't happen?" Really?

Just Google "workplace shootings" and feast your eyes.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:38 PM

14. Oh, I'll be sure to tell the folks up the street at Nabisco in Philly

That their shooting 3 years ago didn't actually happen.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:58 PM

21. Have you ever heard of the saying "going postal"?

Ever wonder where that came from?

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:07 PM

22. Yes. If only they had shown this video to all of the workers!!!!

Oh, wait.

If only they would treat workers fairly!

I think THAT would reduce workplace stress, that's what I think!

Get my point now?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:17 PM

24. Oh I got your point the first time, and it appears so did many others. n/t

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:27 PM

38. You are for real?

They do happen...enough times that unfortunately this is needed.

Walk, chew gum.

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:58 PM

3. Made necessary by a "free" country. Pretty absurd.

 

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Response to Loudly (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:09 PM

33. I didn't think Norway or Japan qualified

according to the utter nutjobs... These things happen everywhere.

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:01 PM

5. K&R !!! Damn, this is a sad commentary on a supposedly civilized country, but I

thought it was excellent.

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:01 PM

6. Well done, I thought.

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:09 PM

7. The government is working hard to protect us? Yeah, sure.

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:25 PM

9. Happen to me a few years ago.

Too fast to do anything except blink and then loosen my bowels after the event.

Shooter got his victim, local police got the shooter. I shat my pants.

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:27 PM

12. Notice how none of the workers were armed.

 

In which case yes, "fighting back" with fists or a chair or fire extinguisher against an armed attacker would obviously be considered the action of last resort.

Notice it's not real footage either, or the end all be all answer for how to handle such a situation - every one is going to be different.

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Response to protwodem (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:11 PM

34. You notice the door at the beginning?

There was what they call in Texas a "30.06" sign it's illegal to carry a gun there. No law-abiding person would have a gun. Not making a judgement call either way, just stating a fact.

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:29 PM

13. I agree with that priority.

Run...hide...fight...in that order. Makes sense.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:12 PM

35. That sounds like what every dojo

tells their first graders. Fighting puts you at most risk, so use it last.

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:42 PM

15. This was very well done, and I applaud the "fight if your life is in danger" recommendation

Years ago, I worked at a bank that was robbed in a morning/opening robbery. When the police arrived, they found a teller sitting on the robber, pinning him down in the floor of the vault - beating the ever loving shit out of him.

Yes, she was hormonal - she was 7 months pregnant at the time (which is my favorite punchline to the story). She was also terminated that same day for not following bank procedure and cooperating with the robber.

I have an issue with not knowing where that line is in following procedure and protecting one's life. Rule of thumb I was given was if they try to physically relocate me from a location. (Kidnap me from home to open the vault, kidnap me from the bank after a robbery, etc...)


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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:13 PM

36. The same thing happened at Autozone.

They had an employee pull a gun on a robber. He got fired. As I learned at McDonalds in high school, my life (and the associated insurance risk to the company) is worth more than the $75.29 in the drawer. A bank is federally insured, your life is not (generally).

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:51 PM

18. I thought this video was useful and well-made. nt

PB

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:30 PM

27. Bookmarking to watch tomorrow when I have time. -nt

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Response to Tab (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:45 PM

29. Note that he is using a limited round

pump action shotgun and not a 30 or 100 round magazine. I live in dread of someone opening up with such a weapon in a large crowd (like the movie theatre in which thankfully, in Denver, the gun with the 100 round drum jammed).

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:58 PM

30. The Aurora shooter's 100-round drum jammed?

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I hope he got a refund -- and if the gun wasn't made in America, it serves him right!


rocktivity

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