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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:42 PM

 

single shot period.

Who the fuck cares what hunters prefer? Single shot is way more "sportsman" anyway. If it saves us from horror, hunters should be happy to use single shot bolt action guns. If they're not, fuck them. It's a goddamn sport. Let them whine and show what babies they are. We should accept a horribly violent society because hunters want to blast the shit out of as many poor creatures as their animal assault weapon can kill?

Fuck them!

For all the hunters who want to describe why you need more, fuck you in advance.

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Reply single shot period. (Original post)
salinen Dec 2012 OP
tblue Dec 2012 #1
tblue Dec 2012 #2
In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #3
Earth_First Dec 2012 #4
salinen Dec 2012 #5
Earth_First Dec 2012 #6
Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #8
salinen Dec 2012 #10
Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #15
Jenoch Dec 2012 #17
salinen Dec 2012 #19
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #7
salinen Dec 2012 #9
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #13
salinen Dec 2012 #14
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #18
A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #11
salinen Dec 2012 #12
A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #16
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #20
ileus Dec 2012 #21
salinen Dec 2012 #23
ileus Dec 2012 #41
flvegan Dec 2012 #22
salinen Dec 2012 #24
Upton Dec 2012 #25
salinen Dec 2012 #31
doc03 Dec 2012 #26
salinen Dec 2012 #29
doc03 Dec 2012 #33
salinen Dec 2012 #34
MineralMan Dec 2012 #27
doc03 Dec 2012 #28
salinen Dec 2012 #30
Shrek Dec 2012 #37
MineralMan Dec 2012 #39
mgraveman Dec 2012 #32
salinen Dec 2012 #35
mgraveman Dec 2012 #36
X_Digger Dec 2012 #38
jal777 Dec 2012 #40
salinen Dec 2012 #42

Response to salinen (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:45 PM

1. Yep!

Why do we contort ourselves and our laws to accommodate the delicate emotions of extremists? They're sick. They need professional help, not lethal weapons.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:50 PM

2. For you. Merry Christmas!

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:56 PM

3. I agree.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:57 PM

4. In my opinion, you use "sport" and "hunting" interchangeably...

Sport shooting, is trap, target, etc.

Hunting is, well; hunting...

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:59 PM

5. same for trap

 

skeet and target shooting. It'll make shooting more challenging.

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Response to salinen (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:00 PM

6. Many trap shooters do only need a single shot... n/t

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:19 PM

8. When I shoot trap, I usually shoot doubles

A double barrel shotgun gets the job done nicely. I don't know if I would have any luck with a single shot.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:21 PM

10. Maybe pump action

 

2 load shotguns could be acceptable. They are not very good killing machines anyway.

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Response to salinen (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:52 PM

15. Pump actions are two slow, also the pumping action knocks the barrel off target.

Plus I use two different chokes on my shotgun. Since the second clay I shoot at is further away, its best to use a different choke on each barrel.

I think anybody who wants to ban double barrel shotguns is an idiot though, so I'm not worried.

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Response to salinen (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:01 PM

17. A pump action shotgun

is what the shooter used in Aurora to shoot most of his victims.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:51 PM

19. probably

 

had a larger magazine though.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:02 PM

7. Hunting is at best tangential to this debate.

But your frothing, obscenity-laden rant makes it pretty obvious that debate's not your purpose, anyway. Venting is.

Hope you feel better now.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:20 PM

9. Thanks for the vid

 

yes, venting is a purpose. There is nothing more frothing and obscene than what happened in Conn.

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Response to salinen (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:33 PM

13. Yeah...and sorry if I came on a bit strong there.

A thing like that should elicit strong emotions. I just don't think that's the right state of mind in which to be considering what to do about such things.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:49 PM

14. Right

 

I should not be in any possition of authority today. Too much emotion. Luckily I have no authority of any kind. Well, except sometime my dog listens, but treats can sway opinion.

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Response to salinen (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:04 PM

18. I hear ya.

But I have a cat...and thus even at home I have no authority.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:27 PM

11. "This is this."

(Obscure reference from the movie "The Deer Hunter")

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:30 PM

12. Well

 

I may need to watch that again. One of my favs.

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Response to salinen (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:52 PM

16. Robert De Niro extolling the virtue of hunting...

With a single round to an audience that just doesn't get it - his friend Stan, played by John Cazale.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:38 PM

20. For self defense, single shot would be inadequate, regardless of firearm

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:47 PM

21. While I love my single shots for hunting....

I still love to take the AR in the field. Of course we can't hunt with the 223 in Va so we take it over in WV to deer hunt with. I won't let my son take deer with it because you can't have a marginal shot using such a small bullet. For Va we mostly go after coyotes and the occasional crow. If we're going to crow or groundhog hunt I'd much rather use the 22-250 Sako.

I'm hoping to complete a 6.8 upper build in the next few months for next season. Should give my son an I a great little whitetail platform good out to 400 yards or so.


Of course the 2A isn't about hunting but you know that.



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Response to ileus (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:32 AM

23. Still

 

single shot was what I grew up using because that was what was mostly available. I had an overunder .22/20 ga. I bet no hunter would stop hunting because of single shot. Fisherman use 1 hook!

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Response to salinen (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:19 PM

41. Never fished much have you?

Fishing is probably 50/50 single hook's vs treble hooks.

Artifical bait depending on what you're fishing for and with is a mix of single hooks, and 1-3 Treble hooks.


Even when fishing live bait with single hooks you can use a leader connector and use 2 or 3 hooks. Sometimes depending on what and how you're fishing you'll use 2 or 4 rods.

I stopped using the single shot 410 when I was old enough for the Model 11 20ga and never looked back. In a few more years my son will be old enough for the same Model 11 I used as a kid. He's only eight now so his 3 firearms are all kid sized single shots.



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Response to salinen (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:52 PM

22. By accepting hunters, we already accept a horribly violent society.

And no thanks on the "single shot" theory you spout here.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:34 AM

24. Spouter here

 

Just being realistic. Outlawing hunting will never happen. Single shot would also limit kills. Two birds with one stone. Oops.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:39 AM

25. No thanks..

I have a 6 shot pump action shotgun that I intend to keep..

I don't need your advice , your condescension , or your insults..

You have a nice Christmas....

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Response to Upton (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:14 AM

31. Too bad

 

I just put a curse on your gun and it's going to rust away abnormally fast. I win. Merry Christmas.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:45 AM

26. Honestly is there any point in all these gun posts? There is no

way anything will get through the Republican controlled House and the Republicans will
filibuster anything that gets to the Senate. So isn't it a waste of time to even talk about it?

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Response to doc03 (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:10 AM

29. Then why discuss anything

 

because of Republican controlled house?

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Response to salinen (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:31 AM

33. Sad but that's about it. We have a Republican controlled House everything

gets filibustered in the Senate and if anything gets past them the SC will say it's unconstitutional.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:49 AM

34. I know

 

also sad that now we will accept it and fight for a filibuster proof majority in 2014. What a way to run a country. Yuck.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:52 AM

27. I used to be a hunter, but I quit hunting some years ago.

I still have a deer rifle. Its internal magazine holds 5 rounds of .30-06 ammunition. Normally, one shot is sufficient to kill a deer, but there are many situations where it is not. My deer rifle has a bolt action, and it's easy enough to shoot a second round in less than 2 seconds. If a deer is wounded, or the shot misses, a second round is sometimes needed. I've never fired more than two shots at a deer, and my hunting was done at ranges between 200 and 400 yards.

As a mass killing machine, a bolt action deer rifle is a poor weapon. Since it holds only 5 rounds, which have to be loaded one at a time into the internal magazine, firepower is limited.

I also used to hunt upland birds, like quail. My shotgun, a 20-gauge pump action, can hold 5 rounds as well, but it's limited for hunting to 3 rounds, with a required spacer preventing loading more than three. For upland bird hunting, it is often possible to fire twice and take two birds, or to fire a second shot after missing with the first. A single shot would not be most hunters' choice for upland birds. I've never fired more than twice after flushing a covey of quail. By the time the third shot could be fired, the birds are generally out of range or back in the brush.

Single shot firearms for hunting are simply not practical. They can lead to injured animals that escape and die later, after considerable suffering.

Now, I've explained why hunters want, and need, more than a single shot firearm. I shall consider myself fucked, as you so delicately put it.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:05 AM

28. I agree a single shot is going too far. If hunters were limited to

weapons similar to yours there would still people shot but it would be extremely unlikely
we would have mass murders like in Newtown.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:12 AM

30. You've made a good argument

 

for a two shot limit gun. Thanks for being nice about being fucked.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:04 PM

37. An over/under or side-by-side is perfect for upland birds

And for waterfowl as well. I speak from experience.

A single-shot wouldn't be very useful.

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Response to Shrek (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:39 PM

39. My very favorite upland bird gun was an old, old

Ithaca field-grade 20-gauge lightweight side-by-side, made in the 1920s. It wasn't mine, but my father's. It fit me perfectly, and I was a better wing shot with that gun than any other I've ever had had. I went off to college, and my brother started using it. Accidentally, he stuck the barrels in some mud while crossing a barbed wire fence. Of course, when he fired it, the fired barrel split. We only shot low-base shells in that gun, due to its age and the thin metal of the barrels, and it was instantly ruined. I tried for some time to find a replacement, and they're out there, but way, way too expensive these days.

So, I bought a Mossberg 500 20-gauge as a replacement. It's nice, but never had the feel of that old Ithaca.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:23 AM

32. Yet another person with no idea.....

 

Here - look at this:



Bolt action .22, speed shooting. Remember that response time at Sandy Hook was 20 minutes. It takes longer to aim than to shoot. This guy isn't particularly good or well practiced. Do you think your rule will change anything?

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Response to mgraveman (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:51 AM

35. not a single shot

 

I see a clip. Yo, read the post.

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Response to salinen (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:58 AM

36. Looks like I missed that....

 

I'll plead guilty to not reading the post well enough.

OP has almost certainly never needed a gun. I hope for their sake they never need to protect themselves against a rabid dog or any other very legitimate uses of a big bad gun.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:20 PM

38. Where is 'hunting' or 'sportsman' in the second amendment?

Who the fuck cares what hunters prefer?


Exactly.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:25 PM

40. I hunt...

with a 16ga over/under. I protect my home with an ar. Good luck with your single shot agenda. Merry Christmas!

Edit:
Fuck hunter haters who have to go and buy their 18.00 a pound organic meat at whole foods because they can't kill their own.

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Response to jal777 (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:05 AM

42. Man

 

I had some great grilled pork chops last night. Anyway, the point is that somehow it's taboo to talk about the inconvenience to hunters that they may have to use a gun that uses less rounds. You know, and don't lie, that if there were only single round rifles available, that you'd still be out there hunting as much as ever, and, you'd probably become a better hunter because of the greater challenge.

BTW Elk liver is my favorite.

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