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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:23 PM

Obama is Determined to Give Republicans What THEY DESERVE On The FISCAL CLIFF





More reporting confirms that President Obama’s hard stance on the fiscal cliff is a reality. Obama is looking to drive his election victory home by only giving Republicans what they’ve earned on the fiscal cliff. As Politico reported in a story titled Why Obama isn’t Caving, “But if the 2012 election increased the president’s comfort with public emotion, it also strengthened his desire to ensure that the GOP — a party that has lost the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections — doesn’t get a better deal than they have earned.”



Politico is the second non-liberal outlet in the last two days to report that President Obama is taking a hard line with House Republicans on the fiscal cliff. Yesterday, The Wall Street Journal reported that the president told Speaker Boehner that he would get nothing in the fiscal cliff negotiations. After Boehner’s Plan B imploded, the president spoke to the media and reduced his offer to the Republicans. Many on the left jumped the gun and accused Obama of caving based on their own fears and media accounts that were sourced to House Republicans.



Obama is willing to compromise, but there is a difference between a compromise and a cave. In compromise, you give something to get something. A cave occurs when one side gives the other everything it wants. An example of a cave occurred almost one year ago today when House Republicans gave Obama everything he wanted by extending the payroll tax cut. People keep comparing the fiscal cliff negotiations to 2010, when they should be looking at last year for a more appropriate comparison. Republicans were hoping they would get 2010 Obama. Instead, they got 2011 Obama times ten. The president’s reelection victory has given him an exponential increase in strength, leverage and political capital.



While Boehner and the House Republicans are mired in their standard dysfunction, President Obama is at the height of his powers. The more Republicans misbehave, the lower Obama’s offer to them goes. Notice the shift in authority, Obama is deciding what or if a deal gets done. The days of House Republicans dictating their terms to Obama look to be long gone. (Those days actually ended in 2011, but some people refuse to see it.)





http://www.politicususa.com/obama-determined-give-republicans-deserve-fiscal-cliff.html

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Segami Dec 2012 OP
Scuba Dec 2012 #1
Segami Dec 2012 #8
ProSense Dec 2012 #2
loyalkydem Dec 2012 #3
Snarkoleptic Dec 2012 #4
bvar22 Dec 2012 #5
Scurrilous Dec 2012 #6
Nero No Hero Dec 2012 #7
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #9

Response to Segami (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:39 PM

1. My glass-half-full half recced this post.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:03 PM

8. We shall see if all our optimistic half-filled glasses will bare wine or vinegar by Jan.1st.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:45 PM

2. It's a long game strategy, and

Boehner and Republicans are losing.

Obama offers GOP an ambitious, progressive debt-reduction plan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021905787

In January, it only gets worse for Republicans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022054555

No one knows President Obama's negotiating style.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022058579

Obama’s “small deal” could lead to bigger tax increases

Posted by Ezra Klein

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But the most important insight into the White House’s strategic thinking comes when Boehner says to the president, ”I put $800 billion (in tax revenue) on the table. What do I get for that?” Obama’s response is cold and telling. ”You get nothing,” the president said. “I get that for free.”

That, right there, is the central fact of negotiations for the Democrats and the central problem for the Republicans....The White House already has some $700 billion in the bank, as they see it. The reason to negotiate with Boehner is that an agreement with him could, in theory, push that number well above $1 trillion while stabilizing the debt and avoiding the economic pain of falling off the fiscal cliff. But there’s no reason to cut a deal with Boehner in which the White House gives up spending cuts in order to get a tax increase they can have anyway.

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The talk in Washington now is about a “small deal.” That would likely include the Senate tax bill, some policy to turn off at least the defense side of the sequester and a handful of other policies to blunt or delay various parts of the fiscal cliff...Some time in the next month or so, the small deal would pass and the White House would pocket that $700-plus billion in tax revenue...But pressure would quickly mount to strike a larger deal, both because there would be another fiscal cliff coming and because the debt ceiling would need to be raised...The White House would insist that the next deal includes a 1:1 ratio of tax increases — all of which could come through Republican-friendly tax reform — to spending cuts. So a subsequent deal that included $600 billion or $700 billion in spending cuts would also include $600 billion or $700 billion in tax increases, leading to total new revenue in the range of $1.2 trillion to $1.4 trillion.

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All of which is to say, if Boehner had taken the White House’s deal in 2011, he could’ve stopped the tax increase at $800 billion. If he took their most recent deal, he could stop it at $1.2 trillion. But if he insists on adding another round to the negotiations — one that will likely come after the White House pockets $700 billion in tax increases — then any deal in which gets the entitlement cuts he wants is going to mean a deal in which he accepts even more tax increases than the White House is currently demanding.

Today, Boehner wishes he’d taken the deal the president offered him in 2011. A year from now, he might wish he’d taken the deal the president offered him in 2012.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/22/obamas-small-deal-could-lead-to-bigger-tax-increases/


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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:53 PM

3. I highly reccomend this post.....

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:28 PM

4. This strategy reveals the teapublicans for what they are.

Petulant and incapable of governing.

I hope we can hold the line and stop the political hostage-taking.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:53 PM

5. Maybe, but All the pre-game [i]Trash Talk[/i] from BOTH Parties.....

.....has worth ONLY in that it Frames the Outcome.
The final resolution WILL be somewhere between Obama's first proposal,
and Boehner's "Plan B".

I fear that the Party Leadership will once again find "common ground" with the extreme right,
forge a "compromise",
save a hostage,
and call it all
"A Step in the Right Direction"
because
"we couldn't let The Perfect be the enemy of the Good"
and
"we might not have had 60 votes."

"Reasonable people will agree that we
had the courage to make the hard decisions"

necessary to
"save our children from The Deficit."


We will see,
but IF Social Security is cut in ANY fashion to ANY degree,
and
Taxes on The RICH are NOT returned to at least Pre-Bush rates
then
all the Happy Talk in the World,
and ALL the Marketing Consultants in Washington,
and ALL the Spinmeisters in BOTH parties,
and ALL the Talking Heads in our media reading from the "Victory" Press Releases,

......will NOT be able to put lipstick on THAT pig.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:52 PM

6. K & R

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:56 PM

7. durec and

 

amen!

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:12 PM

9. Obama offered to cut Social Security and veteran's benefits.

That's not jumping the gun is it? That's just stating a fact,

It's not even a surprise or a new offer. It's consistent with his offers last year and with everything he said during the campaign.

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