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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:18 PM

How easy is it to obtain body armor?

I don't believe that anyone needs an assault weapon and I am really troubled by those folks who have both.

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Reply How easy is it to obtain body armor? (Original post)
chieftain Dec 2012 OP
slackmaster Dec 2012 #1
thatgemguy Dec 2012 #2
chieftain Dec 2012 #3
slackmaster Dec 2012 #6
Historic NY Dec 2012 #9
slackmaster Dec 2012 #10
melm00se Dec 2012 #4
Old Codger Dec 2012 #5
Lurks Often Dec 2012 #7
valerief Dec 2012 #8
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #12
rrneck Dec 2012 #11
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #13
rrneck Dec 2012 #14

Response to chieftain (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:21 PM

1. You Google it, punch in your name, address, and a credit card number,

 

and then the brown truck delivers it to your doorstep.

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Response to chieftain (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:23 PM

2. Check out eBay... n/t

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Response to chieftain (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:26 PM

3. I was afraid it would be that easy.

The combination of assault weapons and body armor suggests to me that someone could be considering mayhem. A home invasion would not allow much time for a homeowner to don the gear and I have yet to hear of deer returning hunters fire. Maybe a ban on the purchase of body armor should be on the table too.

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Response to chieftain (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:28 PM

6. Convicted felons are prohibited by federal law from purchasing, owning, or possessing body armor

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:17 PM

9. Guns too but they seem to get them...

its time for the FEds to aggressively go after sales from Craigslist - to e-bay to the various on-line sources and beyond.

If they can enforce sales taxing scheme they can do this.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:56 PM

10. To regulate occasional non-commercial intrastate private sales of used firearms...

 

...some kind of justification consistent with the powers granted to the federal government by the Constitution would be needed.

It's already stretched its power to regulate interstate commerce to beyond ridiculous, e.g. regulating people growing wheat for local consumption, or growing cannabis on their own property for personal use.

Every proposal to "close the gun show loophole" (i.e. regulate private transfers of used weapons) that I've ever seen had thresholds, such as a minimum number of vendors present and a certain number of firearms being offered for sale. The obvious unintended consequence of which would of course be a proliferation of "not-quite-a-gun-show" events, and an increase in the use of media such as newspaper classified ads.

BTW, Craigslist rules prohibit firearm ads, and so does eBay. But I understand your point.

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Response to chieftain (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:28 PM

5. Check first

Before you buy any you need to be aware that there are different levels of protection.

All body armor products are categorized into one of six levels.

The levels begin with Level I which offers the least amount of protection and go up to Level IV which offers the most amount of protection. This level system is the most important factor in making a purchase. You donít need a Level IV - which will stop rifle rounds - if the purpose of the vest is to give you protection from sharp edged weapons while walking a tier a Garden State Prison. However, if you are on a tactical entry team used for high risk assaults or handling prison riots, you will need armored protection that will stop more than just knives.
An old but still very valuable street cop rule-of-thumb is to have a level of ballistic performance that stops, at a minimum, the round you carry in your service weapon. This rule is as relevant and true today as it was when body armor was first available.

Be advised, though, there are many variables.

The ballistic threat of a round depends on more than just the round. Variables include its composition, shape, caliber, mass, angle of impact, and impact velocity. Because of the wide variety of rounds and cartridges available in a given caliber and because of the existence of hand loaded ammunition, body armor that will defeat a standard test round may not defeat other loadings in the same caliber.

The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) is the research, development, and evaluation agency of the United States Department of Justice. It is from the NIJ where we get the levels of body armor. It is called the National Institute of Justice (NIJ) Ballistic Resistance of Police Body Armor.

http://njlawman.com/Feature%20Pieces/Body%20Armor.htm

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Response to chieftain (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:28 PM

7. Varies by state law

I will also point out that initial reporting may be wrong, that last I saw, the Colorado murderer was NOT wearing body armor, but a military LBE (load bearing equipment) vest which will NOT stop a bullet. It is merely something to attach pouches to, much like a photographer's vest or fisherman's vest has lots of pockets.

I also don't believe the Newtown murderer was wearing body armor either.


A quick search suggests starting prices in the $950-$1050 range for Level IIA body armor, which is what most police officers wear on duty UNDER the uniform shirt. It is not the heavier armor used by SWAT

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Response to chieftain (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:48 PM

8. I think it's really difficult for soldiers to get it. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:14 PM

12. Not these days

There was some supply problems early on that in turn led to non-standard stuff being shipped from the states. That seems to be under control now

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Response to chieftain (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:19 PM

11. Skip to the two minute mark.

Body armor will prevent the penetration of the bullet, but not the shock of the impact. If you get hit wearing body armor, the bullet will still likely knock you down and render you more or less like you've been punched by Mike Tyson.

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Response to rrneck (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:19 PM

13. Sir Issac must be paid

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:21 PM

14. True that. nt

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