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Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:38 PM

I really do not think President Obama thought Social Security would ever get cut.

He knows he is still with the block everything congress and now they have added the losers who are resentful to the block everything congress.

So now there is much more pressure on the GOP to pass a measure made up by the President and Harry Reid. They only need 26 Republicans in the House and all Democrats to pass the measure now, (or maybe less depending on what happens). Here it is explained from "Business Insider" http://www.businessinsider.com/fiscal-cliff-what-happens-after-boehner-plan-b-vote-failure-2012-12

"In order to for a cliff deal to get done, McConnell will have to allow Majority Leader Harry Reid to move forward with a measure that can be approved and sent back to the House. It is not at all clear that the House GOP would allow such a bill to come to the floor for a vote. But they will be under intense pressure to do so as the cliff approaches next week. House Republicans now lack the ability to deflect charges that they drove the nation off the cliff and into possible recession in order to protect the wealthiest. Many House Republicans don’t care about this but some certainly do. Most conservative Republicans will oppose any Senate-approved deal. But if a bill makes it to the floor, only 26 Republicans would have to vote in favor if all Democrats vote yes.

This is the optimistic scenario: Essentially the GOP folds. Not wanting to embarass itself further, Obama and Reid craft something along the lines of where the parties were this weekend, the Senate approves it, and then it passes The House with only a handful of Republicans."

ME - I DON'T THINK THIS WILL INCLUDE ANY CUTS TO SOCIAL SECURITY OR ANY BIG ENTITLEMENT CUTS.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/fiscal-cliff-what-happens-after-boehner-plan-b-vote-failure-2012-12#ixzz2FqWzb6HH

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Reply I really do not think President Obama thought Social Security would ever get cut. (Original post)
Maraya1969 Dec 2012 OP
99Forever Dec 2012 #1
Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #3
99Forever Dec 2012 #7
Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #12
Hatchling Dec 2012 #21
Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #14
99Forever Dec 2012 #17
Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #19
99Forever Dec 2012 #24
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #31
patrice Dec 2012 #6
Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #25
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #27
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #32
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #33
WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #2
patrice Dec 2012 #5
WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #8
patrice Dec 2012 #9
newfie11 Dec 2012 #11
patrice Dec 2012 #4
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #10
duffyduff Dec 2012 #13
Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #16
Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #15
Hatchling Dec 2012 #23
Cha Dec 2012 #28
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #29
proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #30
leftstreet Dec 2012 #18
Hatchling Dec 2012 #20
mmonk Dec 2012 #22
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #26

Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:43 PM

1. So...

.. are you okay with the only lifeline millions of our most vulnerable citizens have, being risked as a political football, so a bunch of 3rd Way Dems can run around doing ^5s and claiming that it's some sort of huge victory that they didn't actually have to go thru with throwing millions of our most vulnerable citizens under the bus?

Just asking.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:58 PM

3. I think he has been working with this congress for so long that he knew what they would do.

Maybe it was a risk but I think he is a very good chess player.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:25 AM

7. Would you care to answer the question I actually asked now?

Because if all you are going to is shuck, jive, and dodge, I've already heard all of that kind of bullshit I need to.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:09 PM

12. I'm going to answer it in a new thread. Look for it.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:22 AM

21. Oh, please.

You could just as easily have put that "answer" in this thread.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:53 PM

17. Again.

You sidestep the question I asked.

I'm neither fooled nor interested in spin. I asked a straight forward question. You can answer it in a straight forward manner or don't bother at all.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:50 AM

19. I take back my statment that it was a risk. I say he did it with 100% certainty that it

would not be accepted. Remember our President is not a dumb guy. Actually he is extremely intelligent. And he has worked behinds the scenes many times before while we all pulled our hair out only to come out shining as we all breathed a sigh of relief and astonishment. Remember the last election. It was only afterwards, after we fretted even while reading Nate Silver that we found out he had a state of the art campaign like no other has ever had. He had behavior psychologists and sociologists working on the campaign. They had the whole thing mapped out. Even the volunteers were taught what to say based on scientific research. One of the things they would ask a person when canvasing is when they thought they were going to vote because if the person actually gave a date they were more likely to go through with it. And then they would have them sign a card saying they were going to vote and that just reinforced it in the person's brain. And the card just happened to have a picture of Barack Obama on it.

These things were applied on every level of the campaign. They knew what they were doing. President Obama knows what he is doing. Mitt Romney did not know what he was doing and that is why he was stunned when he lost. He didn't even know how to follow the statisticians.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:45 AM

24. Another fucking sidestep.

You simply refuse to address what I said and asked. I won't even open another reply from you because you don't have the bare minimum of either comprehension skills or the integrity to honestly answer without bullshit spin. Either way, anything else you have to say, is irrelevant to me.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:47 PM

31. I don't get it. Who was fretting away? Who has been relieved and astonished and why?

Obama's probability of winning was never dubious, there was no magic or miracle.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:10 AM

6. He KNOWS for a fact that the Repubs have written off the 47%, why would he not try to get a

response from Boehner's own working-class party members? Boehner may think that he works only for the 1% and their buddies, but the rest of that party still thinks they are Republicans. What do you imagine their reaction to PO's CPI move was?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:36 AM

25. Did you know that the President can veto legislation?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:51 AM

27. So are YOU willing ...

to acknowledge that the language of the deal protects and/or exempts the millions of our most vulnerable citizens? If not, you really do need to refrain from expressing an opinion because that opinion is not based on fact; but rather, as I can only imagine, a self-serving narrative.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:50 PM

32. I'm willing to acknowledge that a dollop of whipped cream on top of a steaming pile isn't a sundae

We aren't going to fuck the poorest of the poor just the rest of you just over broke motherfuckers isn't a deal.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:10 PM

33. Okay n/t

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:46 PM

2. Whatever you need to tell yourself. (n/t)

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:07 AM

5. Please! Sincerely, I do wonder why that doesn't ALSO apply to you. Can you tell me? nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:40 AM

8. “It's going to have to be tweaked the way it was by Ronald Reagan and Speaker

-- Democratic Speaker Tip O'Neill” ~~ Barack Obama

Does everyone understand what happened in 1983? Full retirement age raised then, Chained CPI proposed now. Seriously, what more proof do people need?

I don't trust him on this; you obviously do. If I turn out to be wrong, which I hope I am, I'll admit it. BFD.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:29 AM

9. I think it's a mistake to look at ANYTHING to do with SS as separate from Medicare & Obamacare.

Even if the relationships are articulated through something less direct than a CPI (of one type or another), Medicare & Obamacare will affect the efficacy of Soc Sec, one way or another, because it's all about the same budgets of the same people receiving SS benefits & health care. When someone says "EVERYTHING is on the table" that includes all of this too. That's why it's a little unfortunate that so many people think Everything = CPI. I wish it were that simple, but it's not.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:29 AM

11. I agree with you

He stated many times during the last campaign that he would work to make SS last longer. This made me concerned but I never thought it would come to a C-CPI.
Instead if raising the cap, he Is hurting SS in the long run.
I am very very disapointed.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:02 AM

4. I think PO was also talking through Boehner to the working-class in Boehner's base who most

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definitely do not want Social Security changed substantially.

Republican leadership has made the mistake of thinking that they work ONLY for the 1% and its sycophants who actually have enough money to gamble on Wall Street.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:15 AM

10. I think Obama wants to cut Social Security. He could care less about the elderly.

He thinks that if you are over 70, you can live on an ever dwindling income because after all you are old. I really think that. He has never done much for older people.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:10 PM

13. +1 n/t

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:29 AM

23. To save others the effort of having others clickling on your link.

I c&p it here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022060122

Obama Told Boehner ‘You Get Nothing’ in Fiscal Cliff Talks
http://www.politicususa.com/obama-told-boehner-you-nothing-fiscal-cliff-talks.html

Read into the rest of the article. It says exactly what I said. That the President knew from the beginning that anything he offered would be rejected. And now he stand at a place of complete strength.

"President Obama’s negotiating stance is a lot firmer than many have given him credit for. Obama has been negotiating from total strength. At one point telling Boehner, ‘You get nothing.’

A behind the scenes Wall Street Journal report confirmed that President Obama has been one step ahead of his Republican opponents all through the fiscal cliff negotiations.


The Wall Street Journal reported (Via Political Wire) the following exchange between Obama and Boehner during the fiscal cliff negotiations,

“Mr. Obama repeatedly lost patience with the speaker as negotiations faltered. In an Oval Office meeting last week, he told Mr. Boehner that if the sides didn’t reach agreement, he would use his inaugural address and his State of the Union speech to tell the country the Republicans were at fault.”

At one point, Boehner told the president, “I put $800 billion on the table. What do I get for that?”

Replied Obama: “You get nothing. I get that for free.”

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:17 PM

28. I don't think that and I am one of those senior citizens.. he

cares about us and people of all ages.

His whole Presidency is about We The People..

We'll Keep This List Going. Here are 206 Obama Accomplishments, With Citations! He's Done Plenty

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

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Response to Cha (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:00 AM

29. I'm glad you feel that way. He has done a lot of good things, but he has not done much

for seniors. And his human rights stance is abominable. He did not prosecute the torturers. He has approved surveillance on law-abiding citizens exercising their First Amendment rights.

Also, he has protected Wall Street.

He is good, but could be a lot better, a lot better.

He is, all said, a wonderful human being, but he is weak on a number of issues. He could speak out more.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:32 PM

30. When billions of dollars are at stake, I suspect it takes millions of people to act, not just one.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:56 PM

18. Then why didn't he put the DOD budget on the table?

If he knew it was all bullshit, why not terrify defense contractors instead of seniors?

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:20 AM

20. ^THIS!!

August 2011 he had us in hysterics by saying our SS checks wouldn't be mailed if the debt ceiling wasn't raised.

This year it's the CPI.

If he's playing a game with the GOP, it's not chess it's chicken using seniors, disabled as the target.

Do you know what this kind of anxiety can do to those of us with fragile health? It's dangerous.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:25 AM

22. My impression is that anyone who helps put it on the table

might expect some type of cuts to it.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:44 AM

26. Perhaps I could interest you in something with unlimited potential…

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