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Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:41 PM

Plan Uncovered to Topple Boehner

Pardon the 'sources', but this was too delicious not to share.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/12/22/plan_uncovered_to_topple_boehner.html

December 22, 2012

Plan Uncovered to Topple Boehner


"Several conservative House Republican members are contemplating a plan to unseat Speaker John Boehner from his position on January 3," Breitbart News reports.

"Staffers have compiled a detailed action plan that, if executed, could make this a reality... Dissatisfaction with Boehner is growing in the House Republican conference, but until now there hasn't been a clear path forward."

Fox News: A look at Boehner's future as House leader.

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Reply Plan Uncovered to Topple Boehner (Original post)
babylonsister Dec 2012 OP
libdem4life Dec 2012 #1
Cleita Dec 2012 #2
libdem4life Dec 2012 #5
jaysunb Dec 2012 #6
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #10
jaysunb Dec 2012 #14
libodem Dec 2012 #11
jaysunb Dec 2012 #15
Confusious Dec 2012 #17
libodem Dec 2012 #24
toddwv Dec 2012 #37
libodem Dec 2012 #39
Jack Rabbit Dec 2012 #27
SugarShack Dec 2012 #30
Jack Rabbit Dec 2012 #34
Fridays Child Dec 2012 #3
nruthie Dec 2012 #4
dragonlady Dec 2012 #23
On the Road Dec 2012 #29
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #7
spanone Dec 2012 #8
Flatpicker Dec 2012 #9
Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #12
Flatpicker Dec 2012 #13
Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #19
libodem Dec 2012 #25
ShadowLiberal Dec 2012 #26
Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #35
tj_crackersnatch Dec 2012 #16
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #18
drm604 Dec 2012 #20
Cleita Dec 2012 #21
nobodyspecial Dec 2012 #22
jmowreader Dec 2012 #28
Jim Lane Dec 2012 #38
Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #42
ProSense Dec 2012 #31
Historic NY Dec 2012 #32
Politicalboi Dec 2012 #33
Kablooie Dec 2012 #36
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #40
benld74 Dec 2012 #41
gulliver Dec 2012 #43

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:44 PM

1. But who will replace him? I'm not thinking it would be anyone more to left

or even skilled at negotiating.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:47 PM

2. My thoughts too. Eric Cantor is waiting in the wings or

Kevin McCarthy, both not an improvement.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:50 PM

5. He has been lurking near by lately, seems.

When the long knives come out, it's not usually for the better.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:51 PM

6. Cmon...you know who the replacement will be.



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Response to jaysunb (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:56 PM

10. "Yon Cassius has a lean and hungry look..."

"He thinks too much; such men are dangerous."

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:00 PM

14. Love that line

and, it's quite appropriate here.

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:56 PM

11. Satan's understudy

Evil incarnate. Reptilian coldness. Yep, he's waiting in the wings like a vulture.

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Response to libodem (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:01 PM

15. Amen.....nt

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Response to libodem (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:19 PM

17. Well, he's got to have something to make up for the stupidity. nt

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Response to Confusious (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:40 PM

24. yep

I don't think he is allowed to think for himself. He is bought and sold. Owned.

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Response to libodem (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:59 AM

37. I REALLY don't like Boehner.

But that doesn't even come close to the loathing that I fell for Cantor.

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Response to toddwv (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:21 PM

39. Fear and loathing

Boneher has feelings that leak out of his eyes. Even I am touched. And I have a shell on my heart, for manipulation. It pisses me off and I lack any pity. But I do have a little heart for the speaker.

But that other guy, has no feeling emanating from him, he is all intellect and power driven. There is a madness which is silent that turned his heart into a rock. I see no flexibility. He is so stiff he will break rather than bend.
He is frightening beyond words. Frightening.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:54 PM

27. It will be Cantor without a doubt

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:30 AM

30. Cantor is worse!!!!

 

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Response to SugarShack (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:21 AM

34. Indeed he is, sir

He's an Ayn Rand devotee, a mindless ideologue, who has said there can be no Social Security in the future that he and his GOP colleagues envision for America.

Being a mindless ideologue with the dark heart of Ayn Rand isn't going to hurt any one in the GOP caucus. Being completely nuts isn't going to hurt anyone in the GOP caucus. Denying reality doesn't hurt anyone in the GOP caucus.

So, the usual arguments against someone like Cantor don't apply here. The arguments about which of the two, Boehner or Cantor, is more likely to provide good governance over the House doesn't apply, either, since the plain truth is that neither will. Cantor agenda isn't good governance and Boehner, even if his intentions are at least marginally better, can't control the caucus. Boehner is willing to negotiate, but he can't guarantee his Republicans will follow his lead. Cantor, on the other hand, doesn't really want to negotiate at all.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:48 PM

3. Imagine a bagger at the top of the House. Can anyone say Yertle the Turtle?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:50 PM

4. It would only be someone much worse.

The loons are in control, so I'm afraid that things will only go to hell that much faster. We're not discussing normal people here. Someday we may look back on Boehner as being one of the good guys. He's just not radical enough for that pack of freaks that's calling all the shots.

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Response to nruthie (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:29 PM

23. Agreed

And welcome to DU!

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Response to nruthie (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:14 AM

29. It May be Someone Further to the Right,

but that's not necessarily all bad.

One of the reasons Boehner couldn't sell anything to his own party is because is not universally trusted by the GOP caucus and is seen by some as a RINO. However, based on the last four years, Boehner actually seems to be a pretty good negotiator.

His replacement, if there is one, is likely to attract more loyalty within the GOP but be less skilled in the arts of politics and negotiation. Which could actually mean a better outcome for the Democrats.

The initial reaction of the new leader may be to "stand strong" and let sequestration kick in, but its unpopularity will be immediate and will grow over time. At some point the GOP will have to fold and make a deal of some kind. Those are not usually a strong set of conditions to enter a negotiation. I just hope it's before the economy actually returns to recession.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:52 PM

7. Breitbart & News in the same sentence: LOFL!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:53 PM

8. a toppled boehner....

then we'll get some sweetheart like cantor or some other wacko

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:55 PM

9. That is funny

Can you just imagine how more marginalized a Tea Bag led House will be?

The upshot is that the Dems will keep the Independants, Dinos and Probably get a Rino caucus.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:56 PM

12. While I love watching the GOP in such turmoil ...

I really don't think Cantor is going to be anything but worse than Boehner if he gets the position.

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Response to Lone_Star_Dem (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:58 PM

13. Can Cantor

hold the coalition together where Boner couldn't?

I'm picturing more fracturing of the republican house.

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Response to Flatpicker (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:23 PM

19. He'll have the support of the Baggers, and the R's in secure seats.

However, he won't be able to hold any Republican who comes from a moderate region.

Basically, they'll still be fractured, just with the opposite fraction in control.

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Response to Flatpicker (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:47 PM

25. He's unfeeling

He is cold. It's in his dead eyes.

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Response to Lone_Star_Dem (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:53 PM

26. I don't think Cantor could win an election among GOP Causus for speaker position

I read a year ago that Cantor burned a lot of bridges among republican insiders during the negotiations that led to the super committee being created.

Basically, their complaints were the following.
1) He was zero help at all in negotiating with democrats, only wasting time and distracting people.
2) He acted like a spoiled bratty child, in the words of republican congressmen speaking off the record.

Maybe they've forgiven him for that, and have enough turn over in the house GOP caucus for him to win anyway, but Cantor may not be as close to being speaker as many people think.

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Response to ShadowLiberal (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:33 AM

35. I didn't know that. I guess I missed it.

However, every point you made makes sense.

He has previously shown how inept he'd be at the position. There is no practical reason to think he would have been able to snow the congressmen into believing otherwise. Meaning he's done nothing constructive in the previous year.

That's actually a bit of good news. Thank you.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:14 PM

16. paul ryan's name is being

Bounced around the rwnj sites.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:21 PM

18. Heh. I like having something to look forward to, in those

"blah" weeks after Christmas...this should be entertaining.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:29 PM

20. As much as I dislike Boehner

the replacement will be worse.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:31 PM

21. I don't think it makes a difference whose leading the Republican Party

because the problem is the party and how far into fascism and feudalism that their mainstream policies have become.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:25 PM

22. Crazier the better

Then we will reclaim it all in the midterms. Americans don't want crazy as evidenced by some notable defeats last round.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:01 AM

28. Speaker Cantor could work in our favor

The guy has very limited support on that side of the aisle, mostly teabaggers and near-teabaggers. In the next Congress, the balance of power in the House is 233 R - 200 D. If Cantor pisses off 34 or more Republicans to the point where they either caucus with the Democrats or switch their party affiliation--which is possible--it won't matter what Cantor does.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:51 AM

38. That would be great, and a bit more likely than you indicate.

You write, "If Cantor pisses off 34 or more Republicans to the point where they either caucus with the Democrats or switch their party affiliation...."

You have the House at 233 R - 200 D. It would take only 17 centrist Republican switches for the Democrats to have a majority.

Another possibility is that at least 17 Tea Party Republicans refuse to vote for Boehner, instead supporting one of their number or some prominent conservative who's not a House member. Then no one has a majority. I don't know exactly what would happen then. The Republicans would still have the majority and would still name the committee chairs, but it would at a minimum be a huge blow to Boehner.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:53 PM

42. Since the Constitution doesn't require that the Speaker be a member of the House...

...they might wind up electing fuzzy little Norquist. They might as well, since he seems to be dictating the republican agenda anyway.

I'd read that Cantor really isn't all that popular among the teabaggers. I don't know why, since he seems to fit every obnoxious quality they have.

Ryan's basically a lightweight. All he has is his budget and his abs.

I think, when the dust settles, Boehner will remain holding the gavel and the box of Kleenex.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:38 AM

31. "Debacles of this magnitude are rare. "

From this piece:

Plan B fiasco leaves GOP lost, divided, and weak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022045980

Boehner has to be feeling a little paranoid right now.


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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:48 AM

32. I saw somewhere that the dissents were going to demand a secret ballot

so they could make Paul Ryan speaker. Is this the same plan?

Boehner better hand out a cup of whoopass...or he's a goner.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:11 AM

33. Bring out the hankies Boner

You're going to need them.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:36 AM

36. The buzz in conservative circles is Paul Ryan as the new speaker.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:28 PM

40. I love it when the long knives come out!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:43 PM

41. With or without Boehner the ONLY path they have is OUT OF EXISTENCE

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:16 PM

43. I believe Tom Delay is still on this side of prison bars.

You don't actually have to be in the House to be Speaker.

I would be glad to see Boehner out. He's one of the last few pegs keeping the R tent from blowing loose and exposing them to the elements. There are still a lot of sentient Republicans out there, desperately clinging to their party despite its tail-spin into degeneracy. They look at the crying, golf-playing, orange-faced Boehner and take comfort that all is not lost. Even though it is.

Delay acts like a slavering raccoon that you wouldn't want to meet walking along a dirt road. And he looks like a botched genetics experiment. He's the perfect face for the current Republican House.

Cantor comes off more like a blank-faced German oven-switch operator. A cool liar. A "wait and bite when it's safe" type rather than a ravening dog like Delay. Still, I think Cantor would be another good choice for the Republicans to make in the interest of helping Democrats take over the Congress next election.

Paul Ryan would be a good choice too. He's the Republican idea of smart. By that I mean stupid.

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