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ashling Dec 2012 OP
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #1
Tikki Dec 2012 #2
MrSlayer Dec 2012 #3
ashling Dec 2012 #6
MrSlayer Dec 2012 #9
ashling Dec 2012 #23
MrSlayer Dec 2012 #25
ashling Dec 2012 #29
MrSlayer Dec 2012 #31
ashling Dec 2012 #32
Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #4
amandabeech Dec 2012 #5
ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #8
thucythucy Dec 2012 #10
lastlib Dec 2012 #12
hughee99 Dec 2012 #14
yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2012 #7
sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #11
Brother Buzz Dec 2012 #13
DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #17
Brother Buzz Dec 2012 #19
tabasco Dec 2012 #15
Jim Warren Dec 2012 #16
burrowowl Dec 2012 #28
AAO Dec 2012 #18
Autumn Dec 2012 #20
Oilwellian Dec 2012 #21
ashling Dec 2012 #24
sadbear Dec 2012 #22
Politicalboi Dec 2012 #26
catzies Dec 2012 #27
Ghost in the Machine Dec 2012 #30
onethatcares Dec 2012 #33
Ghost in the Machine Dec 2012 #35
catzies Dec 2012 #37
Berlum Dec 2012 #34
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #36
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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:45 PM

1. What? No "Hey guys... we can compromise on this..."

Unsensible.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:56 PM

2. jr. 'opposed government-mandated registration of guns owned by people who donít break laws'.

Last edited Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:03 PM - Edit history (1)

Old repug chant used to deflect debate on gun violence.

Everybody is a law follower until the day they break the law..often with a gun.

Tikki

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:01 PM

3. Funny how a mass murderer is against mass murder.

 

That jackass yesterday made it easy to walk away.

Poppy gets no praise from me.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:12 PM

6. Nobody here gives Bush any "praise" - especially not me

but we thank you for your opinion

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Response to ashling (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:30 PM

9. It's why we're here.

 

You're welcome.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:37 PM

23. Not me - jI was credit to his statement, not to the man

I don't know why you are here

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Response to ashling (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:50 PM

25. I just said why.

 

To opine on things. Why does anyone go to a message board?

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:19 AM

29. You implied that we are here because the original poster (me)

praised GHWB. That is clearly not why I am here.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think that most people go to particular threads within message boards to comment on the subject that was posted. I did not see how your comment reflected that. There are lots of things upon which one can "opine" which are not germane to the central point of the original post.

That being said, if I am being overly sensitive or critical, I would like to apologize. Your original post implied that I was praising GHWB. Perhaps I should have used the sarcasm thingy.

A little bit about my "history" here. My first exposure to the guy was when I was in high school and he was a Congressman from my area. It was sort of innocuous and a little humorous. The City of Houston had just opened a new underground parking center downtown where my dad worked as a medical director for Gulf Oil. When the center opened he sought a reserved parking space on one of the floors nearest the underground downtown tunnel as he often had emergency calls to make for medical reasons. He was told that that level was not for reserved slots.

For the first few weeks everything was fine, and then one morning he came in and there right next to the door was a black LTD in a parking space reserved for Cong. George Bush. It didn't take long for dad to get things hopping with choice letters to the head of the parking corporation, Mayor Louie Welch, and GHWB. Dad didn't get a reserved spot, but neither did the Congressman.

Later there was a more serious run in, with some calamitous "effects"

First, remember when a pro-Obama pac ran an ad about Bain dealing with the fact that his dealings had consequences of which he was not cognizant and could really care less. An employee that was let go by Romney at Bain later lost his wife to cancer.

The Republican spin - and therefore that pushed by the media - was that this ad blamed Romney for the lady's death. It did not no such thing! The head of that particular pac said that that was not there intent at all - Rachel Maddow was the only one to carry this side of the story. However, in a sense it was a consequence or "effect" of a cold uncaring calculation.

My dad was, as I said, Medical Director for Gulf Oil in Houston. In that position he was able to have some effect on the quality of life for Gulf employees and safety on the job. He got Gulf to finally put air conditioning in their trucks, etc.
His position had nothing to do with lobbying, etc.

In 1969 he got a visit from his boss in Pittsburgh. We even entertained him and his son in our home. My brother and I even took him to see UT beat Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl. Dad was also "encouraged" - in no uncertain terms - to make a campaign donation to a senate candidate who supported the oil depletion allowance: George HW Bush.

Daddy was a life long democrat. His father was a FDR Democrat, and his father was a Texas populist. There was no way he was going to donate to Bush. He had already donated to Ralph Yarborough and did so again. As a result, he was transferred to another city where Gulf medical really had no presence, nor needed any. The move was difficult for all of us, but especially for my mom who had to keep four down in the mouth Texans moving.

As a result of the craziness of the move, mom missed what turned out to be a critical medical screening. When they finally did catch the cancer it was too late.

Now, neither Bush nor Gulf were responsible for my mom getting cancer, just as Romney and Bain were not responsible for the death of the lady in the ad. But they made cold calculating decisions against their bottom line in the same way. And in the same way they could have cared less. And the "effect" was the excruciating illness and death of a wonderful human being.

So when I saw "praise for " that man in your post .... well, I am sorry if I offended.

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Response to ashling (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:42 AM

31. You have nothing to apologize for.

 

And I certainly didn't mean to imply that you were praising Poppy, I was just saying that I wasn't going to. He'd have to throw a bucket of piss on the NRA guy for me to say anything approaching neutral toward him.

And when I said "that's what we're here for" I only meant that all DUers are here, on this board, to comment on things.

I feel like I should apologize for making you so uncomfortable. I was just trying to be snarky with an offhand comment. I never meant to upset you.

Thanks for the story and I'm sorry those things happened to your family. It is now very obvious that you'd never praise that creep Bush.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:20 AM

32. Thanks for your kind words

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:04 PM

4. He wasn't perfect.

But by the standards of today's repukes, he was actually quite a decent fellow.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:09 PM

5. He was clearly better than the puke nutters in the house. n/t

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:18 PM

8. Which is really saying something isn't it?

He was certainly no prize, but as you say he does appears almost--- almost mind you--halfway decent compared to the wingnuttery of today's republicans

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:50 PM

10. He did sign the Americans with Disabilities Act,

so I have to give him credit for that.

Not a chance in hell the teabaggers would approve of a civil rights law like that today.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:08 PM

12. "Decent fellows" don't follow the Lee Atwater campaign manual....

I wonder how many bodies this "decent fellow" had hidden in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama.......

This criminal is not really my idea of a decent fellow. I'd frog-march him to The Hague right along with his dim son....in a heartbeat.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:24 PM

14. Well, back in the day, he didn't have the option to simply have drones blow people up

and later declare the dead to be "suspected militants".

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:15 PM

7. george h. bu$h

reminds people of dubya!

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:02 PM

11. It only demonstrates how truly rotten things are when someone like Bush Sr.

looks even slightly decent.

And many of today's Dems are more like Bush Sr. than FDR as the whole Government swings over to the dark side.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:14 PM

13. George H. W. Bush was also a card carrying member of the ACLU

Dimes to donuts, he'd have sent in his resignation letter to the ACLU in today's political climate.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:48 PM

17. Then why did he use Dukakis's ACLU membership against him?

During one the debates, he said, in a tone of outraged patriotism, that Dukakis was "a card-carrying member of the American Civil Liberties Union."

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:25 PM

19. Jeeze Louise, I guess I had a huge brain fart on that one

These things happen when you have a mind like Swiss cheese.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:24 PM

15. I don't have to admit shit

GHW Bush was a criminal rat bastard.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:26 PM

16. +1

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Response to tabasco (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:17 AM

28. +2

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:58 PM

18. His involvement in everything from the JFK assassination to 911

 

leaves me with no gratitude for the guy.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:50 PM

20. He did sign the ADA and I give him credit for that.

I didn't remember that he resigned from the NRA. Good for him. He really wasn't all that bad and he stands head and shoulders above his worthless son and this current crop of pigs.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:16 PM

21. OMG

I can not BELIEVE we are praising a Bush. One of the most vile families to ever exist. Goddamn.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:52 PM

24. Let me make one thing clear

The original post does not praise anyone, the subject line was just a way of drawing attention to the fact that even GHWB resigned from the NRA.

Do you think that if someone says "Even Hitler liked dogs" that person is praising Hitler?

When did a statement about someone that show anything less than pure unadulterated bile dripping hate become equated with praise?

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:20 PM

22. I recall reading that W lost his shit when he learned of his father's resignation fromt the NRA

If memory serves, somehow a nearby framed photo of his father was broken in some way. I'm not 100% certain of this, though.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:53 AM

26. He could walk on water

He's still a piece of shit, and I truly hope he has some tragedy in his family before he dies. He was too close to JFK's assassination IMO. Mastermind if you will. Also to happen to be in NY on 9/11. Also happen to be having dinner with the Hinkley family the day of the attempt on Raygun. There's one thing about him, he commits his crimes in broad daylight and with witnesses.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:22 AM

27. While I don't disagree with you at all, when you said "He was in NY on 9/11," I think you meant DC

IIRC wasn't he there spending the night in the White House on the night of 9/10, supposedly for a previously scheduled meeting of Carlyle Group shareholders on 9/11? Thought that was part of W's alibi because he was in FL and given plausible deniability while Cheney and Poppy took care of business.

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Response to catzies (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:35 AM

30. "while Cheney and Poppy took care of business"... Ummm, I hate to tell you this, but....

.... Cheney & Poppy could not stand each other, so there would have been no " (taking) care of business" together. Poppy was a Paleocon, Cheney a Neocon. (Gawd I can't believe I'm defending a Bush here)!!!

This is why Cheney, tasked to head the committee to find the chimp a running mate, chose *himself* to be that running mate. He wanted to get under Poppy's skin. The wholw world knows the chimp was just a puppet-head and Cheney was the true power of that junta. If you want to look at who was there to "take care of business", look no further than the NEOCONS who were in power that day:

Neocons in positions of power:

Dick Cheney - Vice President

Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense

Paul Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary of Defense

Richard L. Armitage - United States Deputy Secretary of State

I Lewis "Scooter" Libby - Chief of Staff for VP Cheney

Condoleeza Rice - US National Security Adviser

Stephen Hadley - Deputy National Security Advisor

Elliot Abrams - National Security Council Senior Director for Democracy, Human Rights, and International Operations

John Bolton - Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security

Paula Dobriansky - Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs

Zalmay Khalilzad - head the Bush-Cheney transition team for the Department of Defense and Khalilzad briefly served as Counselor to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld

Richard Perle - Chairman of the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee

Peter W. Rodman - 1995-2001 Director of National Security Programs, Nixon Center.
July 16, 2001 - March 2007 Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs

William Schneider, Jr. - Chairman of the Defense Science Board

R. James Woolsey - Within hours of the September 11, 2001 attacks, Woolsey appeared on television suggesting Iraqi complicity.

Robert B. Zoellick - U.S. Trade Representative - member of the Executive Office, with the rank of Ambassador


I posted this list two years ago: http://betterment.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x73139#73211

Ghost


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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:58 AM

33. that looks like a roster for the Project

for a New American Century.

btw, remember it's not called the BFEE for nothing.

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Response to onethatcares (Reply #33)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:34 PM

35. It *IS* a roster for PNAC!

Just follow the link in my post....


Ghost

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:45 PM

37. Didn't mean to imply "together;" each had different agendas of course but took care of their own n/t

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Response to catzies (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:06 AM

34. Poppy's Whereabouts at the Time of the Crime. Always an interesting question

Here's one report mentioning where Poppy (R - Skull & Bones) was lurking on 9/11. Can this be corroborated?

"We've actually replaced the Trilateral Commission" as the darling of conspiracy theorists, says Rubenstein (Carlyle Group) -- who, truth be told, happens to be a member of the Trilateral Commission.

"It didn't help that as the World Trade Center burned on Sept. 11, 2001, the news interrupted a Carlyle business conference at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel here attended by a brother of Osama bin Laden. Former president Bush, a fellow investor, had been with him at the conference the previous day...."

http://www.wanttoknow.info/030316post

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:58 PM

36. bush 1 did nothing without ulterior motives. imo. i think his support for clinton's assault weapon

 

ban is very interesting.

as was bush 2's undoing of said ban.

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Response to ashling (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:55 PM

38. I have always thought Bush Sr deserved much of the credit that was instead shoveled on Reagan...

For example, when he got together quite a few nations to get Saddam out of Kuwait, Iraq was strongly supported by the Soviet Union. That was July of 1990.

In November of 1989, the Berlin Wall fell, almost one year into the Presidency of George HW Bush, not under the Presidency of Ronald Reagan.

Also, we should note that after Saddam was defeated by the Coalition, the Soviet Union collapsed. That was in December of 1991, as it split into fifteen separate countries.

I don't think Bush Sr ever got the credit he deserved, in that respect.

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