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Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:54 AM

Michael Moore: How the truth could destroy the NRA

Michael Moore
‏@MMFlint
If the public could see what a .223 bullet from a Bushmaster does to a 6 yr old face or body, the gun debate would be over & the NRA finished


https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/282308323951390720

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Reply Michael Moore: How the truth could destroy the NRA (Original post)
kpete Dec 2012 OP
former-republican Dec 2012 #1
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #3
former-republican Dec 2012 #9
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #10
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #12
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #14
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #25
Hoyt Dec 2012 #13
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #16
Hoyt Dec 2012 #20
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #26
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #27
sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #29
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #30
Major Nikon Dec 2012 #5
putitinD Dec 2012 #6
former-republican Dec 2012 #8
randome Dec 2012 #17
former-republican Dec 2012 #21
randome Dec 2012 #22
gollygee Dec 2012 #19
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2012 #28
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #2
veganlush Dec 2012 #4
OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #7
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #11
Hoyt Dec 2012 #15
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #18
green for victory Dec 2012 #23
FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2012 #24

Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:02 AM

1. There's plenty of photos of gun shot wounds that could be found

 

If he suggesting having the police photos inside the school made public without the parents permission.

That is disgusting on his part to push a political agenda

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Response to former-republican (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:04 AM

3. Much as I love Moore, that's kind of his thing... n/t

 

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:22 AM

9. I like him also but it's easy to see what exactly he meant by it.

 

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Response to former-republican (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:38 AM

10. Too many people are pushing the emotional buttons...

 

This has all the makings of a witch hunt.

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:41 AM

12. I can't wait until the witch hunt on assault weapon owners begins...

 

I am sick of their NRA talking points and their paranoia about tyranny.

It will be fun to watch.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:43 AM

14. As I play with HPR and HV electronics...

 

I can kit out folks after the witch hunt...

you'd be amazed at what you can build, from an auto shop, or an electronics parts store...

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:15 AM

25. This tragedy has the gun-huggers terrified n/t

 

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:42 AM

13. I can see how gun culture wouldn't want something like that published.

Kind of makes it clear guns aren't really a "hobby. "

Moore has a good point.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:44 AM

16. Moore's pushing appeal to pathos... that simple n/t

 

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:56 AM

20. And you guys are pushing irrational gun junk to protect your access to guns.


Moore's actions aren't nearly as reprehensible .

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:24 AM

26. Who's this "you guys" yoi speak of?

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:09 PM

27. appeal to gallery on your part doesn't make it right...

 

Please show where I've pushed "irrational gun junk..."

Name one circumstance wherein I've attempted to sell irrationally made guns of shoddy workmanship.

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:18 PM

29. You mean 'Moore is pushing appeal to reality' don't you?

I would not personally want to see such photos. However, so long as we are shielded from the results of what we so cavalierly support, nothing will be done to end the carnage.

Do you think it is by accident that Americans alone have been shielded from viewing the horrific results of our WMDs in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and wherever else we are killing people?

No, it is by design. We are not allowed to see reality and as a result, that awful reality continues to destroy beautiful, innocent lives.

I agree with Moore, if you support war, then you are obliged to be willing to fight in those wars and mostly, to face the reality even if it is only photos, of what War really is all about. It is NOT the lovely, patriotic photos we see on TV in the US. It is the mangled bodies of babies and toddlers who in no way are a threat to our security. Either be willing to look at them, or do not support what caused them.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:51 AM

30. no, sabrina, I mean Appeal to Pathos...

 

If you are going to try to put things in my mouth, buy me dinner first.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:09 AM

5. I didn't get that from his tweet

What he is saying is that people do not think about the carnage these guns cause. If they did, there would no longer be a debate on the subject.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:10 AM

6. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the parents would give permission, if it would help stop this mad

ness.

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Response to putitinD (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:20 AM

8. Then that's something the parents should say not Michael Moore

 

I like Moore and I think his best work was SICKO but in my opinion this is over the line.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:45 AM

17. And what if a parent would want the photos published?

To help avoid similar incidents in the future. I am no 'fan' of Moore's but he never said 'without the parents' permission'.

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Response to randome (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:01 AM

21. Then a statement like that should be made by that parent , not Moore

 

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Response to former-republican (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:11 AM

22. This way he puts the idea into the public space. I don't have a problem with that.

He's disrespecting no one.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:53 AM

19. It doesn't sound to me like that's what he's saying

He doesn't seem to be saying what anyone should do, just that anyone who really saw and understood what happened would repond very negatively.

It's like the Paul McCartney quote about slaughterhouses. "If the walls of slaughterhouses were made out of glass, everyone would be a vegetarian." I think that's what he said. He doesn't mean that the walls should be made out of glass, or even that everyone should see it, just that if everyone really knew what happened, people would be vegetarians. (Which is debateable - I've taken a tour of a slaughterhouse and I'm not a vegetarian, and I doubt everyone who works in slaughterhouses is vegetarian, but it's a statement to make a point and not intended necessarily to be 100% true.)

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Response to gollygee (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:15 PM

28. Thankyou

Its pretty obvious to all but gun nut reactionaries that not only was Moore not calling for the media or someone else to publicize a photo like this, but that he has zero power or influence or right to do this himself.

He forced us to imagine it though. That was all he was doing. But he knows that that's enough.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:03 AM

2. A watermelon

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:09 AM

4. its true

And if people could see what really goes on in factory farms, many would stop supporting them too

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:13 AM

7. Isn't that the same tactic "pro-life" protesters like to use? Showing pics of mutilated fetuses?

 

Although, if showing grotesque pictures adopted, that wouldn't be the only parallel between anti-abortionists and gun controllers...

Both sets of "antis" are on the side of the debate that seeks to reduce the liberty of the american people.
Both have a majority of agenda that stems from emiotional appeal.
Both claim, "THINK OF THE CCHHIILLDDDREEENNNn!!!1!!1".

Restricting rights... not just for Fundies anymore, I guess.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:41 AM

11. There's always been a streak of "philosopher-king ruler" in the USA

 

that just knows they'd do a better job of ruling us, in comparison to how we rule ourselves.

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:44 AM

15. Can't really get sympathetic toward gun culture's current pitiful plight.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:46 AM

18. As I said...

 

There's always a group that just knows they could run things better.

Much as I like a good John Barnes Novel, I didn't want to live in one.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:12 AM

23. Michael Moore: How the truth could destroy the...

 


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:12 AM

24. I don't want to see that

But I wish they'd show the crime scene with the bodies removed a la the police video of Columbine's library after the bodies were removed. I think Bowling for Columbine had the video. I was aghast with how much carnage there was in the library.

I was thinking, before the Sandy Hook shooting, that they should show the inside of the cinema after the Aurora shooting to show how much carnage a gun can do.

It can be done without showing the bodies. If A&E can show decades old crime scenes (they showed the Amityville victims/In Cold Blood victims/Tate/LaBianca etc), I think it can be done sans the bodies.

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