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Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:24 AM

I'm going to be flamed here...

The gun control proposals will not work.

Criminals and gun fetishists will ignore those laws.

The NRA's proposals are bullshit.

But banning big-capacity magazines, assault rifle band, the criminals and nutcased will ignore.

I have a .22 handgun.

That's all I want. For now.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:26 AM

1. I'm not sure you understand the purpose of laws... n/t

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:27 AM

2. Some people will ignore the ban on drunk driving, so everyone should be allowed to drive drunk.

Outlawing meth didn't get it off the streets, and now only the bad guys have meth. Obviously the answer is to arm everyone with MORE METH. That way the good guys will have meth too.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:27 AM

3. Give everyone a. 22 for home. Take everything else.

Yes criminals might have something else, but in long term we'll be better off.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:27 AM

4. No flaming here. How about some thought out proposals?

Sorry it's broken up in two very long posts.

Part 1 (background) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021982971
Part 2 (suggestions) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021990149

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:30 AM

5. Well, I can think of one way to find out.

Magic 8 Ball.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:31 AM

6. what is your real dog in this race, Archae?

there is something you are not telling us

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:36 AM

7. Nancy Lanza would not likely have broken any

laws.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:36 AM

8. Murderers ignore laws against murder. by your logic we should revoke that law.

Bank robbers insist on robbing banks, though that is against the law. Get rid of such laws?
Rapists ignore laws against rape. Ditto.
Thieves ignore laws against stealing. Lets get rid of those.

People who decide to be criminals ignore the laws. That is reality. But it is madness to revoke the laws because criminals will ignore them.

Banning high-capacity magazines doesn't affect your .22.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:01 AM

9. Then what do you want?

 

We don't have to control anything, we just have to make it super expensive to own a fire arm. We should start by implementing a yearly registration fee for each fire arm that you own. $250 being the least amount, and it would increase from there.

Semi-Automatic rifles that fire rounds .223 and up would cost $600 per year, sniper rifles of .50 caliber would be a $1,200 yearly registration fee. We should tack on a liability insurance cost on top of it, along with a mandatory certificate of marksmanship & gun safety which would have to be renewed every 2 years.

The only thing that in my opinion should be banned is the private sale of guns, shotguns & rifles.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:52 AM

10. So using that logic

we should not have traffic laws as they will also be ignored by some?

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:27 AM

11. You have me convinced. Let's generally stop legislating because it's just no use...

Gun arguments - gotta love em.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:07 AM

12. I just look at it this way.

Most law breakers will pretty much advertise that they are breaking laws.

Drunk drivers, murderers, etc.

If laws are enacted against owning assault rifles, or big-capacity magazines, how can law enforcement know these people are breaking those laws?
Search all houses to make sure they aren't breaking the law?

Don't forget all the assault rifles and high-capacity magazines out there now.
Going to have law enforcers search and confiscate all those that they CAN find?

What I would like to see is a licensing system the way we have for cars.

Want a gun?
A person would need to be trained in how to have a gun before they can have one, with a license.

High-powered guns like assault weapons would need a special license the way truck drivers do now.

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