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Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:34 PM

 

OWS should take up the cause of banning guns in all streets in America

Have offshoots in every single state

Take it to the street in front of every single gun seller in America

Take it to every single gun show in America

Take it to every place that houses a gun show
And make sure people know at other events in those places so that they don't frequent that place anymore

Make gun people into what the KKK became
Though not banned, now the KKK is spit on when they march in public and has almost no one on their side (except for say the Ron Paul people as people like David Duke was all over Ron's literature).

OWS could do this in a matter of minutes with their vast network

It is something that is winnable

In all 50 states

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Reply OWS should take up the cause of banning guns in all streets in America (Original post)
graham4anything Dec 2012 OP
NightWatcher Dec 2012 #1
slackmaster Dec 2012 #2
graham4anything Dec 2012 #3
slackmaster Dec 2012 #4
graham4anything Dec 2012 #5
slackmaster Dec 2012 #6
graham4anything Dec 2012 #7
dogman Dec 2012 #8
tritsofme Dec 2012 #9
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #24
-..__... Dec 2012 #10
DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #12
Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #11
zappaman Dec 2012 #13
graham4anything Dec 2012 #15
zappaman Dec 2012 #20
graham4anything Dec 2012 #21
beevul Dec 2012 #29
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #14
Taitertots Dec 2012 #16
bossy22 Dec 2012 #17
NickB79 Dec 2012 #18
bossy22 Dec 2012 #19
graham4anything Dec 2012 #22
sylvi Dec 2012 #23
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #25
graham4anything Dec 2012 #26
sylvi Dec 2012 #30
graham4anything Dec 2012 #31
Jester Messiah Dec 2012 #27
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #28

Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:37 PM

1. I dont rec standing out front of a gun seller in protest...

...esp in a "stand your ground" state.

But Officer, the hippies were charging me, I had to defend myself.

Plus is there even an OWS anymore? Didnt it kinda fizzle out around the whole "wall st greed thingee"?

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:39 PM

2. The gun show that hits the Del Mar fairground every three months has a "Free speech zone"

 

An area in front where protesters can gather.

I've never seen anyone protesting.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:43 PM

3. March 9-10, 2013 Saturday/Sunday Del Mar Fairgounds Gun Show

 

Crossroads of the West Gun Show

March 9 - 10, 2013
Time:
Saturday, 9:00AM-5:00PM
Sunday, 9:00AM-4:00PM
Price:
Adults, $12.00;
Children younger than 12, free;
$1 off coupon on event Web site

Location: O'Brien Hall
Parking: $10.00

For more information, please contact:
http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com



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Response to graham4anything (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:47 PM

4. I'll stop by on my way in and say "Hi!" to anyone who shows up.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:55 PM

5. There should be a list that remains current, of every single gun show & dealer in America

 

I am taken by the show in Del Mar offering free admission to any child under 12

Wow that is something, isn't it? That says it all.

Hook them in early like they are collecting baseball cards

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:57 PM

6. graham4anything, have you ever been to a gun show?

 

Just curious.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:59 PM

7. Like Mike Bloomberg, I have been to funerals of people killed by guns

 

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:10 PM

9. If you actually attribute that much power and influence to something like OWS...

I guess the rest of the post makes a little more sense.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:08 PM

24. The poster wants to get them off of economic justice and marginalized.

The Turd Way favors all flavors of transferring power from the many to the few, they could give a fuck about those slaughtered babies other than as props and a means to their end.

Let some babies be in the way of trade or resource acquisition and they'll be in line early to make them "collateral damage", with not so much as a bit of lip service or a crocodile tear. Nor will they hesitate to starve or make homeless anyone nor to kill jobs or crush wages.
For them the passion on the subject doesn't seem likely to be based on compassion. I'm forced to wonder what it is and suspect it is nefarious or a distraction while they give away the store.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:11 PM

10. Gun shows and gun shops are open hours before they're even out of bed.

 

I'd welcome and support their presence to exercise their 1st amendment rights, even though they would be seeking to deny the 2nd amendment rights of others.

Hell... I haven't been to a gun show or gun store in a few years now other than to window shop.

If that 3-ring circus showed up... I'd stroll on down just to give them the finger.

What other failed plan have you got?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:24 PM

12. gun freak

There's nothing endearing about your problem, you know.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:14 PM

11. Based on past results...

 

What leads you to believe that is a realistic goal?

Do you think that anyone who was pro gun would switch sides based on OWS support?

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:12 PM

13. YES!

They have already been successful in shutting down the banks and restoring income equality to all!
This could be another feather in their cap!
Then, they can save the whales!
Oh, OWS...is there nothing you can't do?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:24 PM

15. ah, but what if OWS works in UNISON with Mike Bloomberg?

 

what if OWS puts aside animosity they seem to have to someone who let them protest for months before he had to do what his job as mayor required when requested to by the owners of the private land, and they work in tandem to get guns out of the street?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:51 PM

20. Why would OWS do that?

From all the hardcore supporters of OWS here at DU(3 or 4 make up all the posts in the Occupy forum), it seems like OWS is proud they have no leadership, no mission statement, hate the police, and brag of having no dealings with anyone who is part of the "establishment".

Yeah, it would be great if they got their act together and realized they need to work with guys like Bloomberg if they want to accomplish ANYTHING. Being shut out of the room while banning pots and pans will change nothing. They need to engage and change things from within!
Unfortunately, I don't see that happening, do you?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 05:05 PM

21. There comes a time when everyone gotta grow up, gotta put up or shut up.

 

aagain, is the goal to whine or is the goal to accomplish

the 60s protests had both kids and adults, and business all together
the majority of the protesters later on realized from within is the only way

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:13 PM

29. Yeah, because OWS is on board with "stop and frisk", right? N/T

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:18 PM

14. Think I'll start a short OP in reply to this.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:25 PM

16. OWS has already failed to get any of their vague and nebulous goals accomplished.

Do you really think trying to get OWS to demonize roughly 1/3 of the population is going to do anything?

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:29 PM

17. A few problems with that idea

first off, the majority of americans don't want guns "banned". They want certain types, but in general believe handguns, rifles, and shotguns should be available to normal citizens. Also, the american public believes owning a weapon for self-defense is a legitimate reason.

With that knowledge OWS would do nothing more than to polarize the debate. In many circles and with many americans they are seen as "whiny hippies".

IF you want to address gun violence- using people who appear to be radicals is not a good idea

Here is a good poll to look at http://www.people-press.org/2012/12/20/after-newtown-modest-change-in-opinion-about-gun-control/

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:34 PM

18. You think that goal is winnable?!? Seriously?

I would bet money that, if a comprehensive poll was conducted here on DU today, even here you wouldn't find majority support to ban all guns or the right to own guns in the US. In fact, numerous polls, though not comprehensive, HAVE been posted here at DU over the years asking similar questions. Without fail, it shows that even among a group that is far more progressive than the US as a whole, there isn't support for an all-out gun ban.

Now, take that to the streets, where you have a far less politically homogenous group, and your goal is absolutely UNWINNABLE.

And that doesn't even address the legalities of the numerous state constitutions that recognize the right to bear arms for defense OR the recent Supreme Court rulings in the past decade largely defending the 2nd Amendment.

The biggest result of OWS staging gun ban demonstrations? Probably more money flowing into the NRA's coffers than they've seen in decades, because you would be vindicating all their paranoid rants over the years about the "evil liberals" coming to take their guns away. Even moderate, responsible gun owners and hunters would take notice of that.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:41 PM

19. I agree

and i think your point has even broader meaning. I think that the more "hard" left of this country does more to hurt the gun violence situation than help it. They tend to polarize the debate giving gun owners a choice of the NRA view of "guns for all" (even though that is not their view entirely) and the "European view" (Extremely restricted, no ownership for self defense...etc)

I tend to think schumer in the last few years speaks best about it. He says that liberals/democrats need to accept that there is a 2nd amendment and to stop trying these streches of logic to minimalize it. He believes by doing that you might be able to find a common ground that allows for gun restrictions but still allows for people to own a wide variety of guns.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 05:12 PM

22. a meaningless quick bill will do nothing to stop the problem, which is the problem

 

in a day, a week, a month
another event will happen and more will die

no gun control can work with any gun in the street

in 6 years, all congress and senate will have to be run for releection

enough money can finance winners in all states
enough anti-gun senators and it would happen

but its like car dealerships
something is wrong with a car and they know it
they let one, two, a hundred people die from the defect and pay the families off
maybe a thousand, two thousand

til the money men look at the total and decide a recall is needed
at which time the problem is solved

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 05:55 PM

23. That would be an interesting study in irony

 

Demonstrating to turn total control of force and gun ownership over to the same government law enforcement agents who would, likely as not, be the ones arresting, clubbing, gassing, trussing up with zip-ties, denying civil liberties of and generally brutalizing those same protesters.

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Response to sylvi (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:11 PM

25. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me either.

All concentration of power should be suspect, at best. Always.

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Response to sylvi (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:11 PM

26. Where do you get this bullshit from?

 

unless the NRA provked a fight

protesting against a gun show is a one day thing
in and out quickly

like the nra same types (zombies) protest against women's clinics
when the doors close you go home

ows made a major tactical error lingering way too long and overstaying their welcome in ows1
you go in, make your point, leave

come back again, do the same, leave

there has never been a seige by a good protest group for a long term
ruins what they attempted

in out back again
repeat after me
in out back again

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:21 PM

30. What makes you think the cops are going to be any kinder

 

What makes you think the cops are going to be any kinder to an "in out back again" series of protests than a single long protest. They've already proven they'll brutalize protesters from certain groups based on ideology alone regardless of how long they're there.

That's not the point anyway. The point is turning over full responsibility for one's security to a group who has proven themselves to be discriminatory and antagonistic to civil rights. That's the irony.

And before the strawman builder arrives, no, I am not suggesting OWS arm itself.

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Response to sylvi (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:39 PM

31. nobody was brutalized. Protesters use civil disobiedence to get arrested historically

 

then are released the next morning.
that is what protesters do.
Martin Sheen and Kris Kristofferson's been arrested dozens of times, it's a prearranged thing.
It is what gets publicity.
I see no irony.

I see gun dealers selling WMD and bozos stockpiling guns to overthrow the government

if protesters don't want to get their shirts ruffled, they shouldn't be protesting.
no one was hurt, they are peacefully arrested and released the next morning or even the same night.

of course if they break any laws or go further than they should, they are criminals
there are always bad ones in any bunch, but care should be taken not to have them in the bunch then.

and in 2012, rules are different than 1960, but overstaying ones welcome, or blocking traffic which affects the 99% not the 1% is doing the wrong tactic. As is stereotyping all people because of money

there is good money, there is bad money. And Walmart owned by the richest family in the world with a store that is the #1 supplier of guns throughout the world, now they should be protested as they are the #1 of #1 elite, and a far bigger danger to the world than the
so called Wallstreet whomever that refers to. (most CEOs of wall street firms don't actually work on Wall Street, so they are not even down there).

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:03 PM

27. Kinda dilutes their core purpose

Better for them to remain focused on fiscal injustices I think.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:12 PM

28. I hate the NRA and gun nutters as much as anybody, but

I don't support banning all guns. Nor do most Americans.

And no, I don't personally own any.

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