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Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:21 PM

 

Boehner stuck on 'stupid'? Hardly.

Think about it. Boehner is stuck with a lot of extremists in his party, who will NEVER vote for ANY tax increase, no matter what. That pretty much takes negotiating out of the mix. Anyone see that moron DumbassStack this morning from Kentucky? That's what Boehner has to deal with, so Boehner needs a lot of Democrats to get anything revenue related passed. So what does he do? He comes up with an ill advised, horrible bill and tries to pass it, probably knowing full well that even with its generosity for the well off, it would still fail because there were tax increases in it. What he's done is washed his hands of it. 'I tried' he said.

"As you all know the Senate bill had a blue slip problem and it continues to sit in the United States Senate. So we don’t have the Senate bill. We do have a House bill that sits in the Senate that extended tax rates for all Americans, and we’ve been waiting since August the first for the Senate to act. If the Senate wants to act on that bill, we’ll certainly take a look at it," Boehner said.

The Senate CAN'T originate bills raising revenue. If it does, it gets 'blue slipped', or shelved. What Boehner said is that the Senate can work of the August bill, since it originated in the House, and do whatever they want to it before sending it back to the House. THAT is not 'stupid'. THAT is genius. The Dems get to write their own bill, make it attractive enough to get just enough (sane) Republicans to vote for it, and hand it back to Boehner.

Come to think of it, Boehner's actions giving Reid the go-ahead to write the bill - which sounds like its been written already - all seems like a coordinated strategy between Boehner and Obama to bypass the Rightwing extremists in the House. I, for one, will refrain from passing judgement on anything anymore until I see a result.

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Reply Boehner stuck on 'stupid'? Hardly. (Original post)
railsback Dec 2012 OP
ProSense Dec 2012 #1
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chieftain Dec 2012 #2
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railsback Dec 2012 #5

Response to railsback (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:26 PM

1. What a wonderful defense of Boehner

I give it a 10 for its fictional quality and RWish tone. Boehner supports the "extremists in his party."

BREAKING: Republicans Revolt, Reject Boehner’s ‘Plan B’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022043005



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Response to ProSense (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:59 PM

4. Not a 'defense' of Boehner. You're playing Checkers

 

Boehner is faced with an impossible task of getting anything passed with tax hikes. That's a fact. The Republicans don't want to go off the 'cliff' because there would be a lot of seriously pissed off GOP mega-donors who'd lose out on billion$ in government contracts, not to mention losing their tax rates. That's a fact. So he takes the only viable route: Pass it off to the Democrats in the Senate, specifying the House bill in the Senate that should be re-written. 25 Republicans would need to sign on to pass the bill in the House. There are 25 lame duck Republican Representatives who ALL supported Boehner's Plan B. Coincidence? I think not.

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Response to railsback (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:04 PM

6. "Boehner is faced with an impossible task of getting anything passed with tax hikes."

It's not an impossible task. He could cooperate with Democrats and pass a bill extending the middle class tax cuts. There are enough Republicans who would support that.

Boehner is screwing this up, and it's mostly because he and other Republicans are as bad as the teabagger assholes.

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Response to railsback (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:44 PM

2. Stupid, no; irresponsible, absolutely.

I don't think this was orchestrated with the WH. Boehner had a bad hand that he played badly. I think what happened was he figured out he couldn't sell the deal he and the President had settled on. So to save his position as Speaker, he announced the perfectly ridiculous Plan B and tried to muscle his caucus into accepting it. He put to risk a doable deal, alienating Obama, and spooking the markets. He had the temerity to say that the President couldn't stand up to his party thereby deepening the distrust between the parties.
What I will agree with you is that after his debacle he highlighted a process that could result in a deal before the end of the year. If I were Obama, I would let him sit in the ruins of his speakership and pass the Senate bill that has his plan in the new Congress. Enough of the House GOP will vote their own self interest to pass it.

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Response to chieftain (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:52 PM

3. Problem

"He put to risk a doable deal, alienating Obama"

...the deal wasn't "doable." Not a single Republican would have voted for it.

Boehner would have had to rely on Democrats, who also didn't support the proposal. It also would have put his Speakership in jeopardy.



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Response to chieftain (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:03 PM

5. Problem #2

 

There are NO players lining up to take Boehner's job. NONE. I first thought the same, but there has been absolutely NO movement from any other Republicans. It takes a lot of lobbying for support and its very visible. Nothing. Nada. No one wants the job. Boehner will be Speaker again.

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