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Fri Dec 21, 2012, 06:53 PM

The NRA wants a "national database of the mentally ill."

or as everyone else calls it, "the NRA's mailing list."

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Reply The NRA wants a "national database of the mentally ill." (Original post)
ehrnst Dec 2012 OP
doc03 Dec 2012 #1
llmart Dec 2012 #11
madinmaryland Dec 2012 #39
llmart Dec 2012 #47
Initech Dec 2012 #41
The Magistrate Dec 2012 #2
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #3
BainsBane Dec 2012 #4
HockeyMom Dec 2012 #5
Blue Idaho Dec 2012 #6
Nevernose Dec 2012 #23
Live and Learn Dec 2012 #51
leftyladyfrommo Dec 2012 #7
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #8
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #13
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #14
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #17
Care Acutely Dec 2012 #32
southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #9
Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #45
southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #48
Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #49
southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #50
Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #54
southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #56
Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #10
ehrnst Dec 2012 #12
underpants Dec 2012 #15
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #16
IcyPeas Dec 2012 #18
Aerows Dec 2012 #19
lastlib Dec 2012 #20
jmowreader Dec 2012 #21
renie408 Dec 2012 #35
applegrove Dec 2012 #22
secondvariety Dec 2012 #24
slackmaster Dec 2012 #25
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #27
slackmaster Dec 2012 #28
Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #46
Historic NY Dec 2012 #30
slackmaster Dec 2012 #31
Historic NY Dec 2012 #34
slackmaster Dec 2012 #38
ehrnst Dec 2012 #57
slackmaster Dec 2012 #58
ehrnst Dec 2012 #59
valerief Dec 2012 #26
thucythucy Dec 2012 #29
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #36
caseymoz Dec 2012 #33
ecstatic Dec 2012 #37
joeunderdog Dec 2012 #40
ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2012 #52
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #42
slackmaster Dec 2012 #43
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #44
samsingh Dec 2012 #53
krispos42 Dec 2012 #55
ehrnst Dec 2012 #60
sorefeet Dec 2012 #61
lunatica Dec 2012 #62

Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 06:56 PM

1. I'll start

1. Wayne LaPeire

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Response to doc03 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:30 PM

11. Next..

2. Dick Cheney
3. Clint Eastwood (he talks to empty chairs)
4. Mitt Romney (his wife said so)
5. Karl Rove (no explanation necessary)

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Response to llmart (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:49 PM

39. Don't forget Grover Norquist. nt

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:19 PM

47. I try to forget him every chance I get.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:52 PM

41. Anyone who's a registered member of the Tea Party Patriots.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 06:58 PM

2. Cold But Fair, Sir

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:04 PM

3. Bravo!

 

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:14 PM

4. I love it

but you're going to get in trouble.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:14 PM

5. So I'm 16, 17, or 20 years old,

and a MINOR, and my name is in a data base saying I am mentally incompetent and cannot purchase (????) a gun? No problem. I can always STEAL Mommy's, Daddy's, Uncle's, or the neighbor's down the street.

Brilliant one, NRA!!!!! Why didn't WE think of that one?

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:14 PM

6. But they don't want a national database of gun owners.

Typical NRA horseshit.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:43 PM

23. That's what I find most ironic (n/t)

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:34 PM

51. +1 nt

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:23 PM

7. Do they also nhave to wear gold stars

on the front of their jackets?

Like the mentally ill don't already face awful discrimination.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:24 PM

8. Only those undiagnosed will have guns when

all guns are taken from the mentally ill.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:35 PM

13. Ironically, the symptoms that determine if you are mentally ill

get re-written and revised every 5 years or so, thus leaving a lot of people ....instantly cured, I guess.
Hope the NRA can keep up with that.

And, ironically again.....it is Big Pharma that creates the meds for illnesses that did not exist until the meds were invented.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:37 PM

14. My diagnosis goes away in DSM-V

I've waited for this for years.

I'm finally gonna be CURED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


on edit, my dx has no available drug treatment....maybe that's why it's going away??

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:57 PM

17. "my dx has no available drug treatment....maybe that's why it's going away??"

Cynical me says ..."probably".

But cheer up, they are inventing drugs as we speak for some disease that hasn't been found yet, so you may make the DSV-Revised.

I worked too many years in the Mental Health system, can you tell?

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:41 PM

32. Tons of diagnosis have no drug treatment. Every personality disorder, for starters.

And the overwhelming majority of those non-pharmaceutically treatable diagnosis will remain.




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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:27 PM

9. Well if NRA wants to be law abiding why are they so afraid of a National list of people who own

 

anything that shoots over 10 rounds?

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:19 PM

45. I think it is a creepy idea just like I think it is creepy that the govt is spying on everyone

I do value some semblance of privacy. I don't have the answers but I hope the surveillance state is not strengthened by this.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #45)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:51 AM

48. They already know what we are doing now I am sure. Everyone who is on the internet is

 

already in their data base. So I don't have anything to hide and something must be done.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #48)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:55 PM

49. I am not giving up my privacy that easily

It may be an illusion I have any left but I will not hand it to them on a platter.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #49)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:12 PM

50. I don't want to either. But don't shoot the messenger it has been happening a long time now.

 

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 05:10 PM

54. I am sorry if I came off that way

If so it was not intentional

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #54)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 05:37 PM

56. Oh I didn't take it that way. I happen to feel the same way you do. I guess the only way

 

we all will get our own privacy is to go completely off the grid as they say. But I'm not willing to do that just yet. Don't worry about it.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:29 PM

10. I thought they wanted to put all the Teabaggers in the NCIS.

I guess it's a six of one and a half dozen of the other thing.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:34 PM

12. How about the delusion that the gun under your bed is going to stop a tyrant?

Is that mental illness?

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:40 PM

15. How about a national database of gun owners and gun incidents?

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:46 PM

16. Yeah, register your brain but not your gun. nm

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:08 PM

18. Michele Bachmann's favorite gun is the Bushmaster AR-15 used in Newtown [VIDEO]

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:11 PM

19. Well that right there

lends credence to the OP's hypothesis, since she's nuttier than a fruitcake and a pecan pie put together.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:32 PM

20. If they really do create such a database I want the first name to be Wayne LaPierre's!

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:38 PM

21. They already have one

Merge the NRA, Gun Owners of America and Republican National Convention membership rolls, add in anyone self-identifying as a teabagger, and purge the duplicate records.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:46 PM

35. You beat me to it.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:43 PM

22. Someone on twitter pointed out that they NRA was trying to make it illegal

for doctors to ask their patients if they have any weapons in Florida.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:23 PM

24. It passed this year,

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:25 PM

25. This may come as a shock to some, but we already have a database for just that purpose!

 

It's been around since 1998, when the permanent provisions of the Brady Act went into effect.

It's a database of individuals who are ineligible to buy or possess a firearm, because they have been adjudicated as mentally incompetent, or been convicted of a felony or a crime of domestic violence, or have been discharged dishonorably from the military, etc.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:34 PM

27. So they must have another motive. Follow the money.

 

It leads to arms dealers selling to militarized cops, drones in our skies, microphones on buses, SWAT teams roaming the streets asking for ID (wtf does that have to do with anything), scanning the internet for "crazy people", etc. More profit for private prisons, who pimp inmates as cheap labor; more money for congressmen who vote with their wallets (which is how the NDAA passed); DHS purchasing millions of hollow-point rounds without explanation...people are getting extremely rich off of such contracts, all based upon the presumption that all US citizens are terrorists and must be protected from each other and themselves.

And it extends to the military industrial complex as well as the prison industrial complex. Wheeeee....

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:36 PM

28. I'd like to buy you a chicken leg, and subscribe to your newsletter!

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:21 PM

46. Bravo! nt

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:37 PM

30. The problem is its woefully incomplete because a lot of data doesn't get there....

Nearly two decades after lawmakers began requiring background checks for gun buyers, significant gaps in the F.B.I.’s database of criminal and mental health records allow thousands of people to buy firearms every year who should be barred from doing so.

The database is incomplete because many states have not provided federal authorities with comprehensive records of people involuntarily committed or otherwise ruled mentally ill. Records are also spotty for several other categories of prohibited buyers, including those who have tested positive for illegal drugs or have a history of domestic violence.

While some states, including New York, have submitted more than 100,000 names of mentally ill people to the F.B.I. database, 19 — including New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Maryland and Maine — have submitted fewer than 100 records and Rhode Island has submitted none, according to federal data compiled by Mayors Against Illegal Guns. That suggests that millions of names are missing from the federal database, gun control advocates and law enforcement officials say.

“Until it has all the records of people out there in the country who have been deemed too dangerous to own a firearm, the background check system still looks like Swiss cheese,” said Mark Glaze, director of the group. The gaps exist because the system is voluntary; the Supreme Court ruled in 1997 that the federal government cannot force state officials to participate in the federal background check system. As a result, when a gun dealer asks the F.B.I. to check a buyer’s history, the bureau sometimes allows the sale to proceed, even though the purchaser should have been prohibited from acquiring a weapon, because its database is missing the relevant records.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/us/gaps-in-fbi-data-undercut-background-checks-for-guns.html?_r=0

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:40 PM

31. Yes, there may be a conflict between HIPAA and state analogues, and the reporting requirement

 

It's up to Congress to fix that.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:45 PM

34. Its been needing fixing for 20 years...guess there isn't a hurry.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:48 PM

38. It's funny how that works. Everything is fine until something horrible happens...

 

...then they get in a frantic rush to "DO SOMETHING!"

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:08 PM

57. I wrote the technical documentation for that software/

Requirements, specifications and the user manual.

Believe me - meeting with all those from the various agencies that contributed to that database was a study in territorial marking...

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #57)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:48 AM

58. At the end of the day it does work, at least to the extent that the data in the database...

 

...is complete and accurate.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #58)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:13 AM

59. Anyone who is rejected for a sale gets information on how to find out

why they were in the database, and can appeal their inclusion.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:26 PM

26. But not guns. nt

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:36 PM

29. I think it is highly offensive to people with mental illness

to link them to the leadership of the NRA.

There's ill, and then there's evil.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:47 PM

36. Don't you just love the "disagreeing with me is a psychiatric disorder" meme this place gets? (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:44 PM

33. Wow. All of this so they can carry guns?


To make sure people don't get killed due to their scheme, they need 99,000 more police officers nationwide, coming to $7 billion a year, approximately. Now they have this disturbing invasion of privacy, with the added cost due to that, and what are they protecting? The right to own and carry a weapon that makes them three times as likely to die by a gunshot wound, and which will not make it any more possible to combat tyranny. (See Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and Morocco to see how necessary a well-armed population is at the beginning).

Meanwhile, they want this all done without raising taxes, I take it?

What else are we going to need to make their version of the right to keep and bear arms practical?

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:47 PM

37. lol. nt

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:50 PM

40. They could start with their membership list.

Fucken whackjobs.

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Response to joeunderdog (Reply #40)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:35 PM

52. them, and tea party members.

that would list 99.72% of those who pose a danger to this country.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:56 PM

42. There probably already *is* one, or the means to make one. Computerized prescriptions, those

 

in the public mental health system, etc.

it's all on computers.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:58 PM

43. Mental health adjudications and involuntary commitments are supposed to be reported to FBI/NICS

 

But as others have pointed out, not all states are in full compliance with the federal rules and regulations.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:10 PM

44. there's another data base to draw from. it's conceivable that under the right circumstances all

 

those databases could be used to put together a master list of 'unfit' or 'suspicious' or whatever the hell the PTB wanted to designate such people.

it may already exist, in fact. why would they tell us if it did?

i am as leery of 'more mental health funding' as i am of more gun laws. i don't trust the motives of those making the laws or spending the money.

and personally, those i've seen interact with the mental health system have wound up being harmed as much as helped. i personally don't think the system is designed to help.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:46 PM

53. or their current membership list

can we fund this by taxing guns?

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 05:13 PM

55. I didn't realize I was mentally ill.

Thanks for informing me.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #55)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:16 AM

60. Not all members in the NRA are in that category

Michael Moore is a life member.

But to paraphrase what has been said about the GOP - "We're not paranoid, we're just number one with those who are."

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:17 AM

61. Becuse it's against HIPPA

RULES. Put up a registry for every diesease and give it to the insurance companies. Not.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:58 AM

62. Sure. Let Wayne LaPierre be the first to be tested

The man is fucking crazy if you ask me.

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