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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe NRA wants a "national database of the mentally ill."
or as everyone else calls it, "the NRA's mailing list."
doc03
(35,324 posts)1. Wayne LaPeire
2. Dick Cheney
3. Clint Eastwood (he talks to empty chairs)
4. Mitt Romney (his wife said so)
5. Karl Rove (no explanation necessary)
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)llmart
(15,536 posts)Initech
(100,056 posts)The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)BainsBane
(53,026 posts)but you're going to get in trouble.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)and a MINOR, and my name is in a data base saying I am mentally incompetent and cannot purchase (????) a gun? No problem. I can always STEAL Mommy's, Daddy's, Uncle's, or the neighbor's down the street.
Brilliant one, NRA!!!!! Why didn't WE think of that one?
Blue Idaho
(5,045 posts)Typical NRA horseshit.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)on the front of their jackets?
Like the mentally ill don't already face awful discrimination.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)all guns are taken from the mentally ill.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)get re-written and revised every 5 years or so, thus leaving a lot of people ....instantly cured, I guess.
Hope the NRA can keep up with that.
And, ironically again.....it is Big Pharma that creates the meds for illnesses that did not exist until the meds were invented.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I've waited for this for years.
I'm finally gonna be CURED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on edit, my dx has no available drug treatment....maybe that's why it's going away??
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Cynical me says ..."probably".
But cheer up, they are inventing drugs as we speak for some disease that hasn't been found yet, so you may make the DSV-Revised.
I worked too many years in the Mental Health system, can you tell?
Care Acutely
(1,370 posts)And the overwhelming majority of those non-pharmaceutically treatable diagnosis will remain.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)anything that shoots over 10 rounds?
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)I do value some semblance of privacy. I don't have the answers but I hope the surveillance state is not strengthened by this.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)already in their data base. So I don't have anything to hide and something must be done.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)It may be an illusion I have any left but I will not hand it to them on a platter.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)If so it was not intentional
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)we all will get our own privacy is to go completely off the grid as they say. But I'm not willing to do that just yet. Don't worry about it.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I guess it's a six of one and a half dozen of the other thing.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Is that mental illness?
underpants
(182,733 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)IcyPeas
(21,856 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)lends credence to the OP's hypothesis, since she's nuttier than a fruitcake and a pecan pie put together.
lastlib
(23,197 posts)jmowreader
(50,546 posts)Merge the NRA, Gun Owners of America and Republican National Convention membership rolls, add in anyone self-identifying as a teabagger, and purge the duplicate records.
renie408
(9,854 posts)applegrove
(118,589 posts)for doctors to ask their patients if they have any weapons in Florida.
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)but was put on hiatus by a judge.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/07/rick-scott-docs-vs-glocks
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)It's been around since 1998, when the permanent provisions of the Brady Act went into effect.
It's a database of individuals who are ineligible to buy or possess a firearm, because they have been adjudicated as mentally incompetent, or been convicted of a felony or a crime of domestic violence, or have been discharged dishonorably from the military, etc.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)It leads to arms dealers selling to militarized cops, drones in our skies, microphones on buses, SWAT teams roaming the streets asking for ID (wtf does that have to do with anything), scanning the internet for "crazy people", etc. More profit for private prisons, who pimp inmates as cheap labor; more money for congressmen who vote with their wallets (which is how the NDAA passed); DHS purchasing millions of hollow-point rounds without explanation...people are getting extremely rich off of such contracts, all based upon the presumption that all US citizens are terrorists and must be protected from each other and themselves.
And it extends to the military industrial complex as well as the prison industrial complex. Wheeeee....
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Nearly two decades after lawmakers began requiring background checks for gun buyers, significant gaps in the F.B.I.s database of criminal and mental health records allow thousands of people to buy firearms every year who should be barred from doing so.
The database is incomplete because many states have not provided federal authorities with comprehensive records of people involuntarily committed or otherwise ruled mentally ill. Records are also spotty for several other categories of prohibited buyers, including those who have tested positive for illegal drugs or have a history of domestic violence.
While some states, including New York, have submitted more than 100,000 names of mentally ill people to the F.B.I. database, 19 including New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Maryland and Maine have submitted fewer than 100 records and Rhode Island has submitted none, according to federal data compiled by Mayors Against Illegal Guns. That suggests that millions of names are missing from the federal database, gun control advocates and law enforcement officials say.
Until it has all the records of people out there in the country who have been deemed too dangerous to own a firearm, the background check system still looks like Swiss cheese, said Mark Glaze, director of the group. The gaps exist because the system is voluntary; the Supreme Court ruled in 1997 that the federal government cannot force state officials to participate in the federal background check system. As a result, when a gun dealer asks the F.B.I. to check a buyers history, the bureau sometimes allows the sale to proceed, even though the purchaser should have been prohibited from acquiring a weapon, because its database is missing the relevant records.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/us/gaps-in-fbi-data-undercut-background-checks-for-guns.html?_r=0
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)It's up to Congress to fix that.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...then they get in a frantic rush to "DO SOMETHING!"
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Requirements, specifications and the user manual.
Believe me - meeting with all those from the various agencies that contributed to that database was a study in territorial marking...
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...is complete and accurate.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)why they were in the database, and can appeal their inclusion.
valerief
(53,235 posts)thucythucy
(8,043 posts)to link them to the leadership of the NRA.
There's ill, and then there's evil.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)caseymoz
(5,763 posts)To make sure people don't get killed due to their scheme, they need 99,000 more police officers nationwide, coming to $7 billion a year, approximately. Now they have this disturbing invasion of privacy, with the added cost due to that, and what are they protecting? The right to own and carry a weapon that makes them three times as likely to die by a gunshot wound, and which will not make it any more possible to combat tyranny. (See Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and Morocco to see how necessary a well-armed population is at the beginning).
Meanwhile, they want this all done without raising taxes, I take it?
What else are we going to need to make their version of the right to keep and bear arms practical?
ecstatic
(32,677 posts)joeunderdog
(2,563 posts)Fucken whackjobs.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)that would list 99.72% of those who pose a danger to this country.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)in the public mental health system, etc.
it's all on computers.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)But as others have pointed out, not all states are in full compliance with the federal rules and regulations.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)those databases could be used to put together a master list of 'unfit' or 'suspicious' or whatever the hell the PTB wanted to designate such people.
it may already exist, in fact. why would they tell us if it did?
i am as leery of 'more mental health funding' as i am of more gun laws. i don't trust the motives of those making the laws or spending the money.
and personally, those i've seen interact with the mental health system have wound up being harmed as much as helped. i personally don't think the system is designed to help.
samsingh
(17,594 posts)can we fund this by taxing guns?
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Thanks for informing me.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Michael Moore is a life member.
But to paraphrase what has been said about the GOP - "We're not paranoid, we're just number one with those who are."
sorefeet
(1,241 posts)RULES. Put up a registry for every diesease and give it to the insurance companies. Not.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)The man is fucking crazy if you ask me.