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Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:33 AM

Cigarettes are legal but are highly regulated.

If we can make laws to regulate legal substances, like tobacco for instance, and keep tobacco out of schools, public places, workplace and even bars because second hand smoke is dangerous to others, surely we can create sensible gun laws.

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Reply Cigarettes are legal but are highly regulated. (Original post)
yellerpup Dec 2012 OP
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #1
Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #4
yellerpup Dec 2012 #8
green for victory Dec 2012 #10
Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #14
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #16
Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #17
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #20
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #5
LTR Dec 2012 #2
yellerpup Dec 2012 #7
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #3
yellerpup Dec 2012 #6
Rex Dec 2012 #9
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #12
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #11
yellerpup Dec 2012 #15
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #13
LTR Dec 2012 #18
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #19

Response to yellerpup (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:37 AM

1. Cigarettes are not protected in the Constitution.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:39 AM

4. Dumbest. Post. Ever.

Your right to associate (with other smokers) is also protected in the Constitution, and it's still regulated.

You don't have an absolute right to own absolutely any weapon and to wield it in absolutely anyway that you want in absolutely any location.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:44 AM

8. You are opposed to any regulation of firearms?

Yours is the dumbest post ever.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:46 AM

10. "You don't have an absolute right to own absolutely any weapon and to...

 

...wield it in absolutely anyway that you want in absolutely any location."- Jeff

Could you point me to a post here that states, or even infers the opposite? Or any (reasonable) site where anyone asserts that?

I think there's a psychological term for this kind of "debate"...

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Response to green for victory (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:58 AM

14. You haven't visited the Gun Dungeon, have you...

What I was replying to was a post that stated that the government can't regulate guns because they're protected by the Constitution.

I think there's a psychological term for people who enable massacres of children.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:33 PM

16. Your response is not very smart, bud...

Cigarettes and cig smoking is in fact NOT protected in the Constitution, that is why it has come under such prohibitionist-type regulation.

Gun keeping and bearing IS protected and falls under FAR fewer infringements. You got that?

If you wish to discuss this issue in a polite and respectful manner, we can.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:59 PM

17. I'd like to discuss it in an intelligent manner

So if there's a grown up in your house, ask him or her to come to the keyboard.

I'm sick as hell of amateur constitutional scholars who can't understand the contents of a soup can label who think they're competent to interpret the judicial history of the second amendment.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:46 AM

20. Well when you're ready to discuss, I'll round up my alter ego and have him fill in.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:40 AM

5. Thats because theyre not ( as ) useful ( as guns)

If they were they would be in the Constitution. That simple

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Response to yellerpup (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:38 AM

2. So, I can't light a smoke in a bar...

...yet in my state, someone can walk into the same bar with a concealed weapon. Yeah, that makes no sense.

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Response to LTR (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:43 AM

7. Thanks for understanding.

Guns in bars make no sense whatsoever.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:42 AM

6. The comparison I wanted to make is

how quickly laws can be changed when will is behind it. Comparing second hand smoke to gunshot wounds is ridiculous, and yet we are saved from second hand smoke and threatened with bloody death by bullets.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:45 AM

9. How does a gun protect the owner? Don't you have to pull it out and use it first?

They don't magically do anything, these guns. You have to do all the work.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:15 PM

15. I am sorry for what happened to you.

I identify with your feelings of defenselessness and vulnerability. My truth is that I bought a gun after I had been raped and several years later I was raped again at the point of my own gun. I found that carrying a gun over time made me sick with fear and was ultimately (2nd rape) useless for defense. I wish you peace of mind, peace of heart, and freedom from fear.

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Response to yellerpup (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:56 AM

13. There are still smoking in most bars, many bathrooms, and many public places

Understand your sentiments, but its not the right analogy

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:15 PM

18. Quite a few states have banned smoking in bars and restaurants

And various public places. Mine included.

But hey, at least we just passed a concealed carry law.

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Response to LTR (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 05:19 PM

19. Good for both

Hopefully both are fully followed. The former rarely is.

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