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Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:21 AM

CUT THE MILITARY NOT THE CIVILIAN SIDE OF THE ECONOMY.

The concept of the fiscal cliff was a Republican campaign hoax. Everyone including Obama has fallen for it and now they have turned it into a nightmare either or poor elderly Americans or for working people. It will bring economic misery to our country that is unnecessary.

The solutions being discussed now are unacceptable for a number of reasons. One, which is not discussed but is a huge threat to us is that IT WILL ENLARGE THE SLICE OF THE PIE THAT THE MILITARY GETS.

That is, even if all receive less in numerical terms in the end, as time passes, public employees and Social Security recipients get less and less of the political pie, and the military gets more.

So if Social Security is, hypothetically, now getting 10% of the pie, and the military is getting 15%, when the pie is reduced in size with Social Security being cut and the military not, the military's share will proportionately rise to say 18% and Social Security to 7%.

Those are not the numbers, but that is where this will lead. The military is again being protected and strengthened at the cost of the citizens of the country. Unless we want to end up with a military dictatorship a la Rome, that is a big mistake.

I think that the fiscal cliff solution in which the military is cut along with domestic programs -- is the healthiest for our economy.

No one has talked about how the deal Obama is offering will affect our balance of payments. I suspect it would hurt it. So our economy will be weakened at two ends. Not smart.

This is a bad deal for America. The Republicans in Congress did not worry so much about the deficit or talk about this fiscal cliff when George. W. Bush was running up the debt.

Only now since Obama really did follow through and pull most of our troops out of Iraq and therefore end some of the government waste, only now since Obama got rid of that big and insane distraction on the world stage, Osama Bin Laden, did the Republicans decide to magnify the problem of balancing the budget to overwhelm the problems of jobs and recovery.

We have been conned into believing this bit about the fiscal cliff just like we were conned into believing that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. None were ever found, but the media made a fortune off our paranoia and the war.

We need to cut back on our expenditures on our bases and military contractors in foreign countries and rebuild America. If we did that instead of cutting domestic programs like Social Security, we could solve our budget problems. Our domestic economy would improve. Our balance of payments problem would improve. And our problem keeping our military expenditures and military power subordinate to our civil democracy could be diminished.

So we need to demand that instead of cutting domestic programs we close overseas bases.

I haven't even heard anyone suggest that.

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Reply CUT THE MILITARY NOT THE CIVILIAN SIDE OF THE ECONOMY. (Original post)
JDPriestly Dec 2012 OP
Purveyor Dec 2012 #1
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #2
L0oniX Dec 2012 #3
dmosh42 Dec 2012 #4
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #6
woo me with science Dec 2012 #8
forestpath Dec 2012 #5
woo me with science Dec 2012 #7
treestar Dec 2012 #9
smirkymonkey Dec 2012 #10
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #11
indepat Dec 2012 #12
spanone Dec 2012 #13
unhappycamper Dec 2012 #14

Response to JDPriestly (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:26 AM

1. Hear, hear! +1 eom

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:09 PM

2. Thanks for your post. We need to get back to our values.

And being the world's policeman is not one of them.

There are times when we need to intervene, but not all the time. We don't need so many permanent bases everywhere.

If we can't afford the basics for people in our own country, we have no business meddling abroad.

If multinational companies want to fight wars, let them pay the taxes to our government to cover the cost.

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Response to JDPriestly (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:12 PM

3. The MIC is our government.

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Response to JDPriestly (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:19 PM

4. I agree that we may have been conned....

since I read that a defense bill for $633 billion was reportedly passed in the House yesterday(Thurs) by a wide margin with half of the Dems voting for it. Yes, I also thought that this was a part of the 'fiscal cliff' that gave the Dems some leverage against benefit cuts. I have been trying to get the number of the bill to be sure of what I'm saying.(HR,,,,)

-Update- found bill-HR4310-passed House on 12/20/12

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Response to dmosh42 (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:37 PM

6. We were conned.

Here is the list of votes.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h291

If it weren't for California, it would be close to unanimous for the bill.

Where are the DUers in other states? What are you doing? Aren't you out there calling your congressmen and women. Who is not doing their job?

(Joking a bit, but I do wonder why we in California carry so much of the weight when it comes to injecting common sense into government)

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:06 PM

8. Thank you for that list.

Illustrative, huh?

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Response to JDPriestly (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:26 PM

5. K&R

 

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Response to JDPriestly (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:41 PM

7. Hear, hear! We need more discussion like THIS!

More remembering what is purposely being left off the table by both Republicans and corporate Democrats.

More demanding what will actually HELP, rather than justifying the lesser of two damaging, austerity-filled evil options carefully placed before us by corporatists.

HUGE K&R.

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Response to JDPriestly (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:08 PM

9. Absolutely.

And there is only one way to make it happen. Get Republicans out of office.

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Response to JDPriestly (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:09 PM

10. K&R and Thank YOU!

Excellent post!

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Response to JDPriestly (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:11 PM

11. The military industrial complex is part of "the man behind the curtain" problem we face.

 

Some 52% of our tax dollars go to it. When you consider the mad profiteering done in Iraq (see "Fahrenheit 9/11" for a segment on just this) it begins to make sense. The endless war budget is a cash cow, an endless feeding trough at the citizens expense. Make it stop!

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Response to JDPriestly (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:17 PM

12. There's no way the U.S. can continue to exert global hegemony in the wake of large

budget cuts for the MIC: the elderly, the poor, and the disabled will therefore just have to suck it up 'cause we gotta exert global hegemony and assuring the most affluent and large corporations continue to slop mightily at the public welfare trough is a much higher priority than the welfare of the elderly, the poor, and the disabled: just look at the Ryan budget.

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Response to JDPriestly (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:19 PM

13. the untouchables.

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Response to JDPriestly (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:14 AM

14. (Military) Base Alignment in Europe has been going on for a while now.

Baumholder was shut down this week:

http://www.stripes.com/news/last-of-inactivated-170th-turning-out-the-lights-at-baumholder-1.201384

I also saw a blurb that an Air Force base in the Azores may also be shut down over its $35 million dollar a year cost.

Military procurement (aka MIC welfare) is still going balls to the wall.

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